Hebrews Chapter 10 Discussion Page 4

Stay a while in 1 John and his other books.

In 1 John 2:1 it says that if you sin and Satan drags you up before the Throne of God, you have an ADVOCATE (sitting at Gods right arm). Jesus, your Advocate and attorney. He checks the Lambs Book of Life, sees your name written in it, and your case is dismissed for lack of evidence. Your sins have been blotted out with His blood.

It doesn't mean we can run amok and sin all over the place. We are to put ourselves in the Holy Spirits leadership, teaching; conviction when we do sin.

Fear hath torments. That's a demon with many little demons. It's their job to shake your faith in Jesus. The spirit of death causes some people to take their lives. They know they have no rights to do any of that to a Jesus trusting Christian.

In 1 John 1:9 you will learn to run to the Cross if you do sin and confess; be forgiven; renewed. I go there a lot.

We are washed clean by constantly renewing our minds with the Word of God. Your Bible. If we don't furnish our "homes" with Bible teaching; prayer: demons come back around to see if you have an opening for them. You can make them leave!

Say what you've learned: IT IS WRITTEN... and speak your scripture that you've planted in your heart.

You'll get so strong that you'll be able to help other people get freed as well.

Now go read Romans 8:1-2. Read all of Rom. 8. Read Book of John 8:32

You did good coming here :)

Hebrews 10 vs 26-27 say if we sin willfully, does that mean if we sin on purpose deliberately with Full knowledge of what we are doing, we can never turn to repentance? Is the rest of our lives spent with foreboding and fear knowing hell is our destination? Because I cant seem to find Jesus anymore from the very second I wake up until I finally go to sleep I'm in fear , I have absolutely no joy in my life, I do my best to lead others to Christ but inside I feel like I've made an eternal mistake, and I dont want anyone else to make it

This train doesn't carry backsliders! Must sill check oneself and repent and ask for forgiveness on bended knees.

We who believe to the saving of the souls shall be able to do this because of the Lord preparing the way before us as when we by faith accepted the truth of the price paid by His blood. We were chosen though unworthy so that in the time appointed we would fall back into faith and choose salvation of the soul.

(continuing comment). How precious is our salvation then: this gift that we hang onto tenaciously in a life of godliness & love. Rom 5:20 "..But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound", i.e. there is not too great a sin that God's Grace cannot cover.

All Scripture pertaining to the Mercy of God granted to us through His Son, shows us that we don't have license to sin because of the Grace afforded us. Heb 10:26 speaks of those who were apparently saved, or at least, believed themselves to be, & rejected Christ forever, preferring the offerings of the world. Then there are those who firmly believe that once we are saved, our subsequent carelessness in life, doesn't void our salvation & eternal life. But Phil 2:12: "...work out your own salvation with fear & trembling"; i.e. now that you are saved, keep close tabs on your new life with great seriousness. 1 Pet 4:18 "and if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly & sinner appear"; i.e. we are saved by the "skin of our teeth". (see following comment).

I take it to mean that God's grace is not a l license to sin.

I would add: the readers of Hebrews were Messianic Jews, living in Jerusalem & were being encouraged during persecution. The key verse re: Rebeca's question, is verse 26: "If we sin wilfully...". In Greek, this is written in the present, active tense; i.e. "If we go on sinning, or making it a continual habit". We understand by the Spirit's Work in our salvation, that it is a complete & perfect Work; i.e. we are not only forgiven completely but for all time & given the Power to live our new life. We can still sin, but the Spirit within checks us to draw us to repentance. But if we reject His pleas & prefer our 'other' lifestyle, then the question: were we even saved at all? God is our Judge.

This is not talking about a believer losing their salvation. The writer is speaking to unsaved Jews and telling them that if people died under the wrath of God for just violating the law of Moses, they will suffer greater punishment if they reject the Son of God, or consider the blood of the New Covenant of Christ to be an unholy thing, or insult the Holy Spirit when He comes and ministers the gospel of grace to them. This passage is talking about Jews who were hearing the message of salvation, but did not take the next step of receiving Christ for salvation, because if they did, they would be persecuted by their fellow Jews, kicked out of the temple, and even ostracized by their own kin.

In Hebrews 10.29, the writer anticipates a "much sorer punishment." Some throughout history have interpreted this as a loss of salvation and an eternity in hell (lake of fire). Is this accurate? If so, how do we reconcile this with verses dealing with security? If not, what does the passage teach?

I needed to hear this. Thank you!

I disagree. Acts 2:38 we receive the gift of the Holy Spirit in baptism when repent of our sins. Of course we continue to sin. We're in the flesh. Sin is a transgression of the law. Lying, talking bad about someone, thinking bad thoughts about others. But we have the Holy Spirit that helps guide us and our consciences are pricked and we pray and ask Gods forgiveness for that sin and ask for prayers for spiritual strength to overcome that weakness in ourselves. It'snot easy living in such a corrupt society as ours is and keep our thoughts and minds as they should be. Narrow is the path that leads to salvation.

The reason he said their sin and iniquity i will remember no more. is beacuse he did away with the first (flesh) law by works to estblish the 2nd(spirit) law in your mind hearts. romans 12:2 do not be conformed to this world but be transformed by the renewing of the mind gods children have stopped sinning is we have become a new creation. he came in the flesh and died and rose up in the spirit. and gods children our walking in the light and truth. we have entered into gods rest we stopped relying on our flesh dead works as something to earn eternal life we now trust in his son jesus said it is finished its already been done for us. we just live by faith faith in his son. amen

When Jesus warned the Disciples about Sin Adam they were not yet Born Again of God's Seed, 1Jn3:9 Pentecost had not come Jesus told them to wait untill The Holy Ghost Empowered them to share the Gospel. Like the Old Testerment Saints they had the Promise but not the reality like we do now. Gods Full Plan of Salvation confirms fully with Scripture we do not continue to Sin when we are Born Again.

To irratated, I humbly say that you have a misunderstanding about what happens at salvation. It is a circumcisem made without hands, a cutting away of the flesh.Our spirit does not sin but still dwells within our bodies which still has the sin nature. That's why the spirit wareth against the flesh. My body will one day return to dust for it is still condemned. But my spirit will go to God without any condemnation, praise God. One day I will have a new body that is perfect to go with my perfect spirit. Now don't get me wrong , God is working in us to bring our body into subjection because we still sin against God in the flesh. Even Paul struggled with sin.

Adam I do Respect you as a Man of God who Loves Him and is seeking to Help others but you don't know God's Full Plan of Salvation like many others. Paul said at one time that he was not fully Perfected and had Sinned but before he died he Confirmed he was. Im not fully Perfected and Im still Learning too but having asked for Gods Wisdom and Empowering by The Holy Spirit I have no doubt I will be.

Have you genuinely prayed to God for understanding? This is an important step some miss when seeking understanding of God's Word. Also satan likes to push false teachings and deceive Christians into believing that it's OK to sin and OK to do evil, because it's "not sin" to God. Jesus called Christians to avoid sin and be obedient- if it were impossible for Christians to sin then Jesus probably wouldn't have said so many times to stop sinning.

Like many others Adam including well known Evangelists Theologians and Pastors you dont know God's full Plan of Salvation for His Redeemed Children anda like them your focusing on only part of the Gospel. This is why you and them need to be humble and ask for Gods Wisdom and Empowering which none of us were Born with. Do you want me to share more Scripturs about how we are when were Born Again.

Praise the Lord Saints. Very good discussion. His grace is sufficient. All unrighteousness is sin. We are defaulted to sin nature . The born again man Spirit which we receive can not sin, because he comes from God. We endeavor to submit and be obedient to him. They that are led by him Spirit are the Sons of God. Fast, pray, forgive, love, and continue in faith. When you look upon a woman to lust after her you commit adultery in your heart, thank God for the blood. I'm not sinless, but I have learned to sin less by having respect to the Holy Word. I will keep striving to be totally controlled by the Holy Spirit. Amen

When we read with Gods Wisdom all the Scriptures in 1John3 it Confirms Gods Truth in 1John3:9 but dont use the Link given it wrongly shares John3 which it also does with the Link for 1John5:7 about The Trinity. Many other Sciptures in KJV also Confirm Gods Truth below... 1John3:9 Whosoever is Born of God doth Not Commit Sin for His Seed remaineth in him and he Cannot Sin because he is Born of God.

Actually, I asked a simple question about your claim and you didn't answer. It appears you cherrypicked a verse then ignored the other verses in the same chapter you quoted which says Christians can sin. If Christians can't sin then why does Jesus keep warning Christians to stop sinning and be obedient? People should read and follow the Bible carefully, because satan spreads false teachings.

What are you accepting as Truth Adam, its not me who tells us we cannot Sin when we are Born Again, God does and He said how we think is what we will do. This is why He also said to Reckon ourselves dead to Sin instead of saying we will Sin which many do. I have more Scriptuers Adam to confirm all I shared with you but you dont seem to understand the ones I have or even all of 1John3 not John3.

Do you believe that as a Christian you are incapable of sin or that God continually cleanses you from sin? Those are 2 different claims. If the first, I would ask are you really perfect and haven't made any mistakes in your life on Earth like Jesus? Romans 3:10. If the second, then have you read the rest of 1 John 3 because it clearly says Christians can sin in verses 4, 8, and 24 obeying is key.

Adam does God Tell us that we Continue to Sin when we are Born Again with His seed 1John3:9 Perfected in His Love with No Carnal Flesh and we have the Mind of Christ 1Cor2 All 1John3 and the other Scriptures I shared Confirm we dont Sin and we dont Trust in what we think or what we have been taught in error Jesus is our Only Spiritual Teacher we ask for His Wisdom and He leads us into all Truth.

God keeps His promises, do we. As mentioned in verse 29 you have a covenant with Jesus after you claim His Blood. Can we use Gods Word to do away with Gods Word in verse 26. As before this was tried by satan himself in the temptation of Christ. If we do any of the things given in the reprobate mind Romans chapter 1 we better believe in prayer, repentance and more Grace from God. Jesus will judge his people. I also believe chapter 12. Taken from experience

Actually the Bible does say that. When Jesus warned his disciples not to sin, his disciples were Christians, which are people who follow Christ, and they did that even literally. John 14:15 - if you love Jesus keep his commandments avoid sin . Blasphemy is a sin that is unforgivable. Following Jesus requires action and obedience. Grace is not a license to justify sin.

No where in Scripture does it say we continue to Sin untill we die if we are Born Again of God's Seed He tells us to Work out our Salvation not meaning work for it to put our Carnal flesh to death by The Holy Spirit Romans 8:15- 2Tim2:19-21- Colossians 3:4-6 to be Perfect like He is Matthew 5:48 - Hebrews 6:1 We will No longer Sin 1John 3 and -5:18-20-2:28-29-Jn8:34-36 Rom6and8 Danial12:10and more.

It looks as though you didn't read 10. I give you verses 26,27,28,29,30. Your the one that does the plucking. You have not read Romans 1 The one thing that God will not accept is sin in a Christians life. You are walking on very thin ice. It may help to read Revelation 2, 3 the whole chapters. Who and what was Christ tempted with? Little pieces of Gods word Read about the reprobate mine

Dear Irritated, Your outlook on 'life' seems hopeless. As Christians, we don't have to live life wandering if God will save us everyday. If you have trusted the LORD Jesus Christ as your Savior, the work has already been done. Jesus said right before he died on the Cross, "It is finished" John 19:30 and also "neither shall any pluck them out of my hand" John 28:10. Be secure in Christ my friend.

Who believes on Jesus dying on the cross his burial and God raising Him from the dead? Christians, satan and others. Others being the ones not knowing what to do with this fact. Repent on your face praying before God through Jesus Christ. If we don't die the next second we better be willing to do it every day for the rest of our lives. We do make mistakes Romans 1 Are we to proud to pray and repent? Try that and see how it works out. My look on life.