Hebrews Chapter 4 Discussion



 
  • Chris - In Reply on Hebrews 4 - 1 year ago
    Not a problem at all, brother. This happens to me quite often when someone else's comment is posted while I'm in the process of typing mine out. Anyway, if both comments agree in substance, then the enquirer has further affirmation to his/her question.
  • Giannis - In Reply on Hebrews 4 - 1 year ago
    I meant that Sunday(not Sabbath) wasn't a Catholic invention.
  • Giannis - In Reply on Hebrews 4 - 1 year ago
    Sorry Chris, I didn't see your answer before posting mine. GBU
  • Chris - In Reply on Hebrews 4 - 1 year ago
    Hi Dana. You're referring to Hebrews 4:8: "For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day."

    In the Greek language, 'Joshua, or Yehoshua' (from the Hebrew), is translated as 'Jesus, or Iesous'. And we find the translators making the same change in Acts 7:45. So, the KJV translators are correct in understanding this Hebrew to Greek change, though as you wrote, it can be misleading to those unfamiliar with the account or reading through those verses very quickly. We can see from Hebrews 4:8, that the writer is referring back to verse 5 ("And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest": Psalm 95:11), & even all the way back to Hebrews 4:1 when the subject of 'Rest' is brought up.

    Even though most Bible translations use the word 'Joshua', they are of course translating it correctly, but not according to the original Greek, which the KJV uses, & this name translates to 'Jesus'. If Greek was spoken in the Old Testament days, by all accounts, Joshua, who took over from Moses' leadership, would have been called 'Iesous, or Jesus'.

    As for the RC Church changing the Sabbath to Sunday, I can't comment, not being RC. But the Bible shows that after Jesus died & rose from the dead, the early Church worshiped together on the Lord's Day, the first day of the week ( Acts 20:7; 1 Corinthians 6:2): Sunday. Sunday, to the Church then & now, never became the new Sabbath Day - Saturday always has been the correct Jewish Sabbath Day.
  • Dana stephens on Hebrews 4 - 1 year ago
    Why would the commendatore say that Hebrews four is talking about Joshua? There is no way it is talking about Joshua. The whole book is clearly written about the trinity and faith. Why in the middle of a sentence would the writer all of a sudden switch the name of Jesus from Jesus to be someone other than Jesus?

    I believe that by saying that it is Joshua and not Jesus, you mislead people from the rest in the Lord and the day! Which it clearer states was never changed from the Sabbath of the Lord our God the creator of the world. (The Catholic church changed the Sabbath to Sunday. They say that is the mark of their ecclesiastical authority. During the reformation the Pope told Martin Luther to follow the Bible and its authority. Although he did not, sadly.)

    So, if the Jesus being used in the 'Greek' in Hebrews is Joshua then wouldn't it stand to reason that all the Jesus references would be as well?
  • Starbux on Hebrews 4 - 1 year ago
    Jesus Christ is our rest in the Holy Ghost
  • GiGi - In Reply on Hebrews 4 - 2 years ago
    Yes, Kwasi,

    We can make every effort to keep focused on Jesus, who brings us to the Father and sends to us the Holy Spirit to live in us, whereby we have the amazingly wonderful favor to have the wholeness of God dwell in us. If we have the Spirit in us, we have the Father and Jesus in us. If we are justified by Jesus, we stand justified before the Father and the Spirit, If we are accepted by the Father, we are accepted by Jesus and the Holy Spirit. All of this is through Jesus, who, by His amazingly sufficient sacrifice, death, and resurrection, has become the perfect High Priest and Mediator before God for us who believe. Our God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit made the perfect way for us to no longer be condemned for our sins, but to instead, have eternal life in and with Jesus and the Father and the Holy Spirit! We are so blessed! Hallelujah to God, the Magestic Glory, Sovereign of all that is.
  • Kwasi Osman on Hebrews 4 - 2 years ago
    HEBREW: CHAPTER 12:2

    looking to Jesus the founder and perfecter of our faith,who for the joy that was set before him endured the Cross, despising the shame, and is seated at the right hand of the throne of God
  • Fredrick odiwuor abuor on Hebrews 4 - 2 years ago
    I Give thanks to the LORD for he is good for his steadfast love endures forever Amen
  • Walter and Debbie on Hebrews 4 - 2 years ago
    8-27-22

    Context Summary

    Hebrews 4:1-13 reassures Christians that they have not missed their opportunity to enjoy the ''rest'' promised by God. Chapter 3 warned about the dangers of losing faith and disobeying God. In this passage, the writer points out that psalmists like David, who came long after Moses, encouraged Israel to obtain God's rest ''today.'' Since God's rest on the seventh day of creation came only after His work was done, and Israel only suffered loss when they failed to complete their assigned work, Christians should strive to complete the work given them by God, in order to obtain the greater heavenly rewards. The most potent tool we have in this effort is the razor-sharp Word of God.
  • Opinion8it on Hebrews 4 - 2 years ago
    It means the days of creation are described in phases for our understanding and they're not actual days. God is not bound by time and therefore creation took no time, hence he completed creation as he spoke it. Hebrews 4 points to the fact that we still exist in the 6th day, just as the children of Israel still existed in the 6th day in the Psalm reference, and as believers we enter his rest (7th day) by faith, whereas the Israelites did not enter into his rest due to unbelief. In Psalms, Hebrews and on THIS day, the day of rest which was already completed by God is still in our future, and from our standpoint, the creation of man into God's image, is still a work in progress. Digest what the Spirit is saying.
  • Hiske G on Hebrews 4 - 2 years ago
    15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

    16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
  • Chris - In Reply on Hebrews 4 - 2 years ago
    Hi Tony. You may be referring to Exodus 31:12-17. This Law was given to Israel in line with Day 7 of the Days of Creation - the Day that God "rested (or, ceased) from all His work" ( Genesis 2:3). The Law, which included the keeping of the seventh day (the Sabbath), & circumcision, were the signs that made God's people a special, chosen people, unlike any other nation on Earth. As God ceased from His Work of creation, so He required His people (Israel) to set a specific day each week to also rest from their labours. And the fact that God sanctified the day (i.e. He set it apart as a special day), meant that Israel should engage themselves with other things other than going through the rigors of daily toil. So, it was a day of physical rest & also a day when their minds could re-focus on their Creator & learning more about Him.

    Israel today still keep the Sabbath as required of them. But those of Judaism who have come out, finding new life & liberty in Jesus Christ & led of the Spirit are no longer under the Law ( Galatians 5:18), just as the Gentiles who are "without the Law" ( 1 Corinthians 9:21), are not required to be bound to it - to a Law that only showed man his sin & his incapability to fully obey it ( Romans 7:7 ff).

    Both Jew & Gentile still need a rest day from hard toil - for the Jew, the seventh day was appointed. For the Christian, any day could be a day of physical rest. For the Jew, he went to the Temple or Synagogue on the Sabbath to worship God - for the Christian, he can worship God on any day he chooses. The early Church met on the first day of the week to worship ( Acts 20:7), fellowship & break bread together, remembering the Lord Who gave His Life for them & rose from the grave on the first day of the week. So, there is no commandment to break; the Sabbath for worship together does not apply to the Christian - some worship on a Friday, Saturday or Sunday - maybe even other days. But if Sabbath is forced upon Christians, then we have a problem.
  • Tony Wells on Hebrews 4 - 2 years ago
    Thenbible says keeping is a sign between him and us does that mean if we worshio on sunday we are breaking the cammandent.
  • Mishael - In Reply on Hebrews 4 - 2 years ago
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    May God answer your prayers and give you victory in your life, amen. Thank you Jesus.
  • Rick - In Reply on Hebrews 4 - 2 years ago
    Hi Jean It is available for all believers to manifest or display power from on high Speaking in tongues, Jesus Christ spoke about this when addressing the samaritan woman when in John 4:23 +24 he said But the hour cometh and now is when the true worshipers shall worship the father in spirit and in truth for the father seeketh such to worship him. God is Spirit

    and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth or truly by the spirit. That was the first display of

    Gods spirit working on the day of pentecost birthday of the age of Grace. Some say special gift some say doesn't exist anymore some say not needed. 1 Corinthians 12 : Paul went from gift to in verse 7 to manifestation of the gift, it is a great benefit to the believer spiritually it is personal prayer between you and father not to be done out loud or out

    of order because all things of God are done decent and in order This is not to say that believers who don't speak in tongues don't believe or love God, that is biblically not sound. My bible says confess Romans 10:9+10 and believe in your heart and act on Gods Word. My understanding
  • GiGi - In Reply on Hebrews 4 - 2 years ago
    Hello, In the book of Acts, it seems that the gift of speaking in tongues (languages unknown to speaker) most likely manifested in believers following the outpouring of the Holy Spirit. I does not say anywhere in Scripture that it always did.

    The account of Paul in Acts 9:17-18 says that Ananias laid hands on Paul and the Holy Spirit caused the scales to fall from Paul's eyes, restoring is blindness from His encounter with the risen Christ. He was then baptized in water by Ananias. It does not say that Paul began to speak in tongues when he was filled with the Holy Spirit, although Paul does later say that he does speak in tongues. So, I believe that the Spirit gives diverse spiritual gifts to the body of Christ as e sees fit. Anyone who has been believed and been baptized as received the Holy Spirit. The "filling" of Holy Spirit is the Spirit equipping a person for the work He as for us to do to build up the body of Christ. It is adding spiritual power and abilities to the person to do the specific work God desires the person to carry out in ministry.
  • David - In Reply on Hebrews 4 - 2 years ago
    Hi Jean Hebrews 4 In regards to Speaking in tongues the wonderful works of God been doing that for 48 years

    its not a over wired emotional controlled by God deal. Keep something in mind its Gods gift so you operate the gift

    it does not operate you. It doesn't put you into an emotional frenzy or make you hit the floor or any of those out of

    order things because the true God is a God of order. Its actually the opposite it gets you peaceful and calm on the inside. People do these things because of the examples they have seen

    and believe that's the way it is that God Controls them. The True God never controls us he works in us to do of his good

    will and pleasure Phil. 2:14. Last point there are biblically 12 things in scripture that S.I.T. does for the believer that's

    another discussion. It is the first outward display of the spirit working on the day of pentecost also the apostle paul wrote

    he thanked God he S.I.T. more than a whole assy. at corinth. That says something.
  • Jean on Hebrews 4 - 2 years ago
    God is so wonderful; he has healed by body so many times. The doctors are amazed. I have learned that faith can carry through any situation of life. Also, why do young or new believers

    have such challenges in their Christian walk? Should they be told that they are Not perfect yet

    and if they era or make a mistake in their development that God is not going to discard them

    and what scriptures back this up?? Also do all new believers speak with new tongues?? Do

    you feel emotions when you speak in tongues like in the book of Acts???
  • Marco - In Reply on Hebrews 4 - 3 years ago
    My friend Thomas,

    If you read the Bible correctly, you will find that Saturday, is the Sabbath and not Sunday.

    Keep reading the Bible.

    Yours,

    Marco
  • Mishael - In Reply on Hebrews 4 - 3 years ago
    I got a new KJV Study Reference Bible with CENTER OF EACH PAGE REFERENCE COLUMNS.

    It makes studying easier. From Amazon.

    Just a simple reading Bible; all Walmart's have them. Just make sure it's a KJV.
  • English sacha - In Reply on Hebrews 4 - 3 years ago
    Daniel , you don't have to pay a fortune , I've had quite a few second hand ones from a well know web site . Even new ones can be found quiet cheaply . Good luck finding one that you really love , I have one from 1877 ,it's lovely but the writing is teeeeny !
  • T. Levis - In Reply on Hebrews 4 - 3 years ago
    Isaiah 58 whole chapter

    Isaiah 58 :13

    Deuteronomy 5:14

    Mathew 12:1-8

    Mark 2:27 -28

    Luke 6 most of chapter

    Hopefully that's helpful
  • PSALM 23 - In Reply on Hebrews 4 - 3 years ago
    I don't know about Seattle, but there are many great preachers on FM Radio you can listen to daily. Greg Laurie is on there and has a new spot on cable too.

    He has a channel on YouTube too. There's no reason for you to starve spiritually until you can find that church that is a perfect FIT for you.

    Some Churches are trying to help Gay Lifestyle folks, COME TO JESUS.

    If it was me in Seattle, I would email Greg Lauries's ministry (Harvest Church)

    He lives in California. He will know of a church in Seattle you can start attending. Include a zipcode?

    Praying and the Bible was taken out if public schools in 1962. People have gone in every direction since then. Romans chapter 1 describes them.

    God wants you to be in a Church that nurtures your spirit and helps you to grow as a Christian.

    I was a street preacher just like Greg. Seen everything. We are to keep ourselves spotless from worldly activity. I do understand your desire to find a place to learn, fellowship and help out if needed.

    Go Look up that CONTACT US, email name

    May the Lord lead you and keep you.

    Mishael
  • Carleton - In Reply on Hebrews 4 - 3 years ago
    Hello, Likely, there is a gospel mission/tract effort in Seattle that you can fellowship with.
  • Thomas on Hebrews 4 - 3 years ago
    Is Sunday the day of rest?-- am I violating this day of rest by watching NFL football? (I live in Seattle and can't find a conservative fundamental church) most churches here that have remained open lean heavily LGBTQ2+ oriented. (pure evil IMO)
  • James on Hebrews 4 - 3 years ago
    Thanks for my Jesus.
  • Lisa on Hebrews 4:16 - 3 years ago
    Thank you Jesus for saving us!!!!!!!!
  • Philip Christian Parks on Hebrews 4 - 3 years ago
    HIS Rest; Heb. 4:1 = The noun "rest" translates eight times in this chapter (vv. 1, 3, 4, 5, 8. 10, & 11) from the Greek noun root (transliterated "katapauo"; pronounced "kata-POW-"), which literally describes a calm, quiet, and peaceful situation wherein the one who experiences this type of rest lives in security and contentment. This is the same "rest" previously recorded in Hebrews 3:11 and 18.

    The rest spoken of in verse nine (v.9) is a different type of rest which will receive its own commentary treatment.

    The writer first approached the subject of GOD's Rest in the previous chapter (3:11 & 18). There, GOD addressed the rebellious Israelites during their Exodus from Egypt.

    Due to the Israelites "hardening their hearts" toward GOD during their wilderness wanderings, GOD now addresses another audience: the readers' of this epistle as identified by the pronouns "us" and "any of you". The reader must compel himself to investigate the meaning and significance of this Rest.

    In the previous references to GOD's Rest, the term "rest" speaks specifically of Israel's settling into Canaan which GOD initially promised to Abraham ( Gen. 17:8). This Rest may also apply generally of Israel's prospering in their national identity and security (cp. Exo. 6:4; Lev. 14:34; 25:38; Num. 13:2; 34:2; Deu. 32:49).

    Yet, with all GOD's Promises and Guarantees, both Israel, and eventually Judah, lost everything due to their repeated and continuous rebellions and idolatries.

    Now, GOD promises a Rest in the soteriological application through the reception of, and faith in the Gospel and Doctrines of JESUS CHRIST as LORD and SAVIOR. "MY Rest" speaks of the present irrevocable security all Christian believers enjoy in their Salvation apart from vain "works", and from the Law's condemnation of death (cp. Mt. 11:28-29).
  • Philip Christian Parks on Hebrews 4 - 3 years ago
    HIM with WHOM we have to do; v.13 = Every Christian, yea, every single individual, must consider this statement very foreboding deserving pause of deep contemplation. Keep in mind, it falls within the context of ample emphatic warnings against "hardening your hearts in unbelief".

    The expression, "to do" is the word (transliterated "logos"; pronounced "LOG-os"), meaning a "word", "saying", "discourse", and/or "declaration".

    The expression "to do" translates from the same Greek root as the expression "give account" recorded in Romans 14:11-12: "So then every one of us shall give account of himself to GOD."

    Each and every individual saint will stand before the Judgment Seat of CHRIST to explain and "account for" the motives of the lifestyles they lived in the name of Christianity (cp. Ecc. 11:9; Mt. 12:36; 18:23; Rom. 14:12; Php. 2:10; Heb. 13:17; 1Pet. 4:5).

    Every Christian individual will answer for themselves without the support of excuses or blame on others. Every individual will either stand to receive his reward, or fall to suffer loss, based on their own merits.

    Even demonic tongues are required to confess and give account when LORD JESUS CHRIST confronts them. Compare the actions and confession of Legion when meeting The LORD ( Mk. 5:6-7). Legion "ran and worshiped HIM (LORD JESUS) with the confession, "What have I to do with THEE, JESUS, THOU SON of The MOST HIGH GOD?" (Compare Lu. 4:33-34.)

    Additionally, when many of CHRIST's disciples rejected and forsook HIM, HE asked the remaining twelve, "Will ye also go away?" Peter answered with this confession: "LORD, to whom shall we go? THOU hast the Words of Eternal Life." ( Jn. 6:66-68).

    Thomas uttered the most poignant confession when he saw LORD JESUS CHRIST after HIS Resurrection: "My LORD and my GOD" ( Jn. 20:28).

    Eventually and most assuredly, JEHOVAH GOD HIMSELF declared ( Isa. 45:23) every tongue "shall" actually and factually confess "that JESUS CHRIST is LORD".


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