Isaiah Chapter 15 Discussion

I am called to study the scriptures and commentaries regarding the pleading for and the calling on the "Blood of Jesus" for healing, salvation, atonement, and protection and covenant. Do you have these available?

Thank you.

In reply to Chris and Jesse

1st that was a beautiful explanation of God's sealing and promise.

2nd How do you explain the numerous scriptures that warn against false prophets and the very elect being deceived?

3rd How do you explain "free will" and the scriptures explaining "Lord, I have done your will", and His response of "I know you not"?

4th How do you explain Misheal's pastor?

5th Personally, I have witnessed many "saved" people renounce God, stop attending church, become followers of sciencetology, atheists, addicts, pursuing the world or the traditions of men. Also, I have seen many start to follow false religions and refute what they previously believed.

I am not attempting to be argumentive or disrespectful. I ask purely for edification.

God Bless you both and may your journey with the Holy Spirit be fruitful and rewarding.

I am not sure of the one you said who claimed to be a prophet is indeed a prophet, that I don't know nor do I dare to say anything on what I don't know for you should not go against the Lord's anointed and nor should we speak any idle words, for that is what God is going to judge of for according to Matthew 12:36.

HOWEVER, that being said, the person is not wrong at all as one can lose their salvation. I am sorry for those who have lied to you saying otherwise by picking and choosing (usually from brother Paul-it's as if they follow him rather than Jesus), but in taking in what Jesus says and the Bible as a whole, you certainly can. I would recommend in reading all of (1-3) John ( 1 John 3:8-9, 1 John 1:6, ! John 3:6 specifically), Hebrews (Hebrew 10:26 specifically), and the Book of James regarding the point, but we can look at one simple parable from Jesus at the end of Matthew 18 ( Matthew 18:23-35 specifically) completely dismantling the false and utter lie from the devil OSAS doctrine. For we see a man who have sinned, was cleansed, forgiven, and saved and, then after this he sins again and is taken by the tormentors (hell). We also got Romans 11:22 (The same Paul these Calvinistic OSAS guys like to quote from), "Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be [cut off.]" Couldn't be clearer.

These people, are liars from the flesh, not getting their the truth from the Bible or the Holy Spirit but from either their flesh or men of the flesh learning from other men of the flesh. God Bless you, brother. Ask the Holy Spirit to lead and Guide you, there are liars in many places, including here as you can see above (excluding Mishael). Blessings! ;)

It was popular in the 80s and 90s to be a prophet. Then the everyone is a Bishop;

Then the apostle movement.

My former Pastor was an anointed teacher/prophet of Bible. He was declared a bishop. Started wearing bishop clothing. He went on trips to evangelize Africa. Met witchdoctors, saw pots of icky stuff that people threw cig butts on as a form of sacrifice, etc. Long story shortened, he came back changed. His parents didn't live up to his idea of holiness. Somehow he renounced Christianity's teachings and left his church after being renounced by Oral Roberts and others.

Now he's the pastor of a church he formed and he no longer believes in hell. He believes we are living in hell now. His Christian wife divorced him, took the kids.

What a waste. He's not my Pastor now.

He's on my prayer list. If the Holy Spirit says to stop, then I will.

We have to have some discernment in these last days. It is right to ask the Holy Spirit for the gift of discerning of spirits: God,

Man, evil spirits. Especially now. Ask the Holy Spirit to help you. The Bible says that evil will wax worse and worse in these final days. 2nd Timothy 3:13

Do not despair. Cast all your cares on God.

Jesse, that's a great 'dissertation', if I could use that word; a very concise & accurate description of His Sealing & His Guarantee of His purchased possession. I loved reading it over & over again to appreciate the wonder of God's Work in every aspect of our lives (from first seeking us out, right through to marking us for life).

I have considered of late, that when our Lord comes back for us, how does He locate each one of us & gather us together unto Him? Surely, His Spirit Who indwells the purchased of God, will return to the Son bringing the wheat with Him to the barn, while the tares are taken for burning. 2 Thes 2:6,7: "and now ye know what withholdeth that He might be revealed in His time..For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only He Who now letteth will let, until He be taken out of the way". I can't help but see this passage referring to the Holy Spirit being taken away at the appointed time from His Work on Earth; and if He must needs go, so must we also who have been indwelt & sealed by Him. What a blessd hope & revelation awaits us.

John, if someone comes to you claiming to be a "prophet of God" and says that God revealed something to them, ask them to show you in the bible where Jesus or Paul taught it. If it's not in the bible, it is not true, and that person is a false prophet. I had a person come to me once claiming to be a "prophet of God," and they told me that God gave them a message.

My response to them was "Good for you, but He didn't give me that message, so it doesn't do me any good. You see, if God wants to reveal something to any of us, He doesn't need to go through someone claiming to be a prophet in order to give us the message. Besides that, the Apostle John was the last true prophet!

One other thing to think about: If someone says God revealed something to them that is not already in the bible, then it should be added to the bible, right? I mean, if God said, then it's His word. But we are warned against that because we already have the complete prophecy of God in written form. Next time a "prophet of God" comes to you with a message and he/she cannot show you in scripture, tell them that they need to add it. You'll probably get a very puzzled look from them, and they will not be willing to go that far!

I need help to understand Romans.

Chris, very true. If I might just go one verse further in Ephesians to Verse 14 which says "Which, or who, is the earnest, or guarantee, of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of His glory. This tells me that we are purchased by Christ, meaning He owns us. The seal is a mark of ownership. No one can break that seal except the owner of the possession. We're sealed with the Holy Spirit. He doesn't give us a seal. He is the seal.

He's the mark of ownership and He has sealed us so that no spiritual force or otherwise can penetrate our spirit. As you mentioned, we've been sealed. We've been sealed by the Holy Spirit and filled with the Spirit of Christ. We are very rich!

Verse 14 also tells us we were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise who is the (guarantee) of our inheritance. It's nice to know that in the midst of our weaknesses that the presence of God's Spirit is our guarantee, until the redemption of the purchased possession.

I believe this use of the word redemption is making reference to the coming of Christ, when redemption is realized. We've been purchased and we're sitting at the "will call window." He hasn't picked us up yet. But when Christ comes, He's going to come for the purchased possession, you and I, and all genuine believers who belong to Him!

And then I go down to Ephesians 4:30 that tells us that we are sealed with the Spirit of God "until" Christ comes. We're preserved. We're being kept for Christ at His coming. God's powerful grip is keeping us. That's our guarantee that we are preserved for Him. I think if believers would trust in the one who has saved them, the one who has purchased them, and the one who owns them and says He is coming for us, instead of trusting in themselves to keep themselves saved; they would come away with a whole new perspective about their salvation. It all boils down to who we're trusting in. Are we trusting God's power to keep us? Or, are we trusting in ourselves?

John, the Bible of course, speaks on many, many subjects & one of the important ones is of a person who has been saved through the Holy Spirit's convicting, & then his repentance & then knowing God's forgiveness based on faith in Jesus Christ's death on the Cross for our sins. If this person has truly come God's Way, we say that he is Born Again (i.e. not a second birth back into the world, but re-born in his spirit, where God's Spirit takes up residence in that person's life - John 3:3-7). We still look the same, go to work, etc., but by His Spirit within, we are now accepted by God as His very Own children, we look at life through 'different eyes', the graces of Jesus begin to fill us & become evident to others, we want to tell others of this great experience & new life, etc. etc.

However, after this great work of God in us, there are some well-meaning Christians who will teach that even though you may be a child of God now, you can some time in the future, choose to reject God, His Son & His Spirit & lose your salvation. They will even show you scriptural proof to support this. And true, if Scripture is taken in isolation or misinterpreted, then a Christian can lose his salvation. But I also take note that the Work of God in sending His Son to die for us was not a poorly devised plan. Jesus' death & resurrection was complete & final and God accepted this sacrifice for our sins by raising Him from the dead & giving Him a position of Power & Authority in Heaven. The Scripture also tells us that true Christians have been sealed by God (look these up: 2 Cor 1:22; Eph 1:13; 4:30). When God seals, He will NOT un-seal - we are His forever & He will "never leave us nor forsake us" ( Heb 13:5). Then can a Christian choose to forsake God? If a Christian is truly born again, he cannot & will not reject God & His Son. It's not possible. Yes, a Christian can still commit sin, but he is soon convicted by the Spirit within him & repents & is restored.

Everything a true prophet says to you must be truth; revelation of truth. There is very serious things that happen to a teacher or prophet that says lies; makes up words for itching ears.

If you draw close to God; he will draw close to you. Sit with Him, sing praises to Him..even if it's Amazing Grace. I like a song: Only in God. If you truly have a question...ask the Holy Spirit. One aspect of His work is to teach you :)

Pray for a teachable spirit. When He tells you something, Date it and Write it down.

I went through a long spell when God went quiet; didn't speak to me. You wouldn't believe all the insecurities that float to the surface. If you're kinda punchy, He'll work that out of you. You learn to wait on the Lord.

Can you lose salvation? This man who claims to be a prophet of God Said God reveal you can lose salvation. Can God also speak to you also and tell you things?

Help us LORD to put away the idols of technology today. Satan knows our weakness and extorts from us all the things that Jesus said we needed. We need the power of the shed blood of Christ to make us clean before the Father. Our Eternity is hanging in the balance if we love our sin more than we love Jesus Christ. We come this morning with repentance in our hearts. Thank you LORD for Jesus death and resurrection for our sins. We have been washed clean from our sin by our Savior! Hallelujah! He Reigns

Knowing Jehovah,GOD is sovereign thereby He exercise HIS RIGHTS to build and destroy based on sin. HE do not have to explain HIS actions us when we do not understand. We trust HIS actions or judgments from Genesis through Revelation to be 100 percent correct, as in this and the next chapter. 2020 GOD still RIGHTLY build and destroy based on sin. John 3:16 -21 shall protect when we apply it.

Israel was surrounded by enemies for neighbors: both of the first inhabitants, and of there own distant relatives. This is a portion of Isaiah's writings that is mostly obscured to us; because it has to do with Moab particularly; and is not easy to glean a Christian application out of. One thought however; that God has specific words specifically for every place; but not for everyone to meddle in.

Matthew Henry. He was an Englishman, a minister of a LARGE church, very honored and loved - and God used him to write his commentary. He was brilliant and loved God and people. But he only finished his commentary himself to the end of Acts; someone else did the rest - because God took him within a couple of yrs. after Acts. M.H. was a Trinitarian, and Acts 2:38 is oneness (Jesus name).

Sharon, When I have trouble understanding a passage I click on the commentary below the page and usually get clarification from Matthew Henry. He seems to have had an understanding of many confusing things. Isaiah foretold this to the people of Moab (the ones who sacrificed their infants to Molech where Ruth lived). It happened 3yrs later. It could possibly be a prophecy for future events too.

I really don't understand this passage please help me. Thank you

something of great calamity must have happened in that area in Isaiah 's time - war, and possibly a drought severe famine that affected everyone in the area - it 's a big leap to say that this chapter fortells an upcoming nuclear war, so you wont hear that from me

Verse 2 is talking about pilots putting on their helmets which look bald. They, the military, fly to high places to weep alerting governments to respond meaning dropping missiles and bombs. Hair grows through the passage of time, symbolically when beards are cut off so is the passage of time which means death. Isaiah is a prophet of the future world war 3. Also, nuclear radiation causes the human body to lose hair, people go bald.

God judgement on the people of Moab is fortold in great detail here by the prophet Isaiah.