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Alex1939...Alexis M...May i give ya my view of Isaiah 60:22...A lil one shall become a 1000 and small one a strong nation...I the lord will hasten it in its time...This is the multiplication of Christ Jesus via his seed the word sown in humanity...The Sower and his seed...The Children of Promise...An Israel of God is that strong nation... Gal 6:16...There has to be an Israel of God via the seed of Jesus...I will multiply thy seed as the stars of heaven... Gen 22:16...Which are spirits the H.G many ...The Children of Promise that are gonna be as the stars of heaven in multitudes...Thats y he has to know us...That he might sow his incorruptible seed in our hearts...That Christ might be formed in us...Its gonna start with a lil one...one lil one is gonna be multiplied as the stars of heaven...Just as Jesus was just a lil one but he was multiplied and became as the stars of heaven... a number no man cd number John saw,simply b/c of his seed the words of the book that he wrote with his own blood...That New Covenant...I will know them all from the least to the greatest...This (Know them all is an intimacy) that is gona result in a birth of Christ in everybody...Isaiah speaks of a knowledge ( an intimacy ) that is gona cover the earth as the waters cover the seas...In Isaiah 11:9...Thats y he has to know us...Thats y the Woman is giving birth...And that y we must be bornagain of his incorruptible seed...Thus Christ will truly be multiplied as the stars of heaven in humanity....They don't call him the bridegroom for nothin....He has a seed to sow in humanity...Thus our new heart and new spirit..Thus the babes and sucklings...The Israel of God...ok lemme go...Jeremiah saw all men in travail and birth pains...a time of Jacobs trouble that heavenly Jacob the H.G... Jeremiah 30:6 ..
This in my personal view on Isaiah Chapter 60 verse 22 means a little one shall become big or famous a thousand times and this can be possible if we have hope in the Lord our Saviour. With him everything is possible.
Hi there, I recently studied up on what is meant by these trees. This is speaking of Asherah poles or trees, that were set up next to an altar of Baal. They could be living or cut, but often carved in an image of Asherah (Ishtar, Isis are some equivalents.) These were often erected among groves of trees on top of a hill used as a sanctuary for pagan worship to these idols. People also planted trees next to the altars of Baal either to create a grove or to have trees to use as Asherah poles. It is likely that they adorned these poles with silver and gold ornamentation to honor these idols.
Such practices using trees were common among the Druids and Germanic tribes who were pagan. This does not mean that a Christmas tree automatically is an Asherah pole or an evergreen idol worshipped by the Druids/Germanic pagans.
I think that each person needs to search their hearts about what the Christmas tree represents to them, since it seems the origin of their use is in paganism. But, with prayer, God will let someone know if it is proper to have one to commemorate the advent of Jesus our Lord. The Israelites erected altars to worship God and remembrance stones/pillars to be a reminder of what God has done for them which is similar to what the pagans did. So, there is biblical reference for God's people having symbols to remind them of God's work and Person, as long as one does not worship the symbol instead of God or have the symbol represent God, Himself. It is a fine line to walk. I don't really have a definitive answer. Perhaps going a year without a tree may help someone discern if it is a practice that is needed for them or, changing the way it is viewed, perhaps simply as decor that bring cheer to the heart in the dark winter days. In any way, we do need to be aware of what unbelievers will think or say about how we apply such customs in our lives,, because they are a witness for good or not.
Christmas trees will be priced way high due to all the forest fires this year. You could buy a fine slab of barbecue instead.
I have a large manger inside my home which I love. It looks like a cave with moss leaves and straw. figures, lots of animals; even the little drummer boy.
Hi Andrew. Just to answer your question, "By what name was John baptizing?" I assume you're speaking of John the Baptist. If so, he wasn't baptizing in anyone's name. His was the baptism of repentance ( Mark 1:4; Acts 13:24; Acts 19:4) & was an in-between baptism from the Jewish performance of baptism (which Jesse has well explained), to 'believers' baptism' (which is an identification with the death, burial & resurrection of Jesus Christ).
The Jewish thought was simply of external washing prior to religious performances (Muslims also do this for that very reason, prior to their five daily prayer rituals) - the Christian belief is one of responding to an inward change. John's baptism was the 'connecting piece', bringing Jews to understand that there needs to be a washing not for the body as was previously done, but to show that it is actually a matter of the heart. And this was done by the "The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight", in preparation of the arrival & ministry of the Messiah, Whom the Jews should have welcomed according to the prophecies that went before Him, but to their suffering & eternal doom, the they rejected & even had Him crucified.
GRACE_ambassador {ChrisE} jewish/gentile baptisms? - In Reply on Isaiah 60 - 3 years ago
Precious friends, According To Scriptures, God Only has 'ONE' baptism, today, Under GRACE!
Further, it is 'impossible' for The 'ONE' Baptism to be 'physical' water, Since IT Is The 'Spiritual' OPERATION Of God, inducting 'members' Into The 'ONE' Body Of CHRIST, Under GRACE! Ephesians 4:5 and 1 Corinthians 12:13 Please Be 'Richly' Encouraged!:
In verse 19, Jesus said to baptize in the name of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. The reason why all three of the Godhead are mentioned here is because the Jews actually immersed or baptized three times. We do it once. But the Jews would dunk three times for baptism. They didn't know why. But Jesus is saying that when you immerse three times, one is in the name of the Father, one's in the name of the Son, and one is in the name of the Holy Spirit.
Around the year 316 A.D., Constantine changed it. He said that if that's the way the Jews do it, and if that's the way Jesus told them to do it, then we are only going to immerse once, just to be different.
So we dunk once in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. And the Jews dunk three times. But that's why Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is used here. When you go to the book of Acts, they baptized in the name of Jesus. So now we have this big battle of the baptisms, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, or "Jesus name only?" But you see, one is Jewish, and one is Gentile!
16 Therefore thus saith the Lord God, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste.
17 Judgment also will I lay to the line, and righteousness to the plummet: and the hail shall sweep away the REFUGE OF LIES, and the waters shall overflow the hiding place.
And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken:but on whomsoever it shall fall,it will grind him to powder. Mat.21:44
I have written unto you because you must know that no lie is of the truth.
Isaiah 16:v. 16-22
16 Therefore thus saith the Lord God, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste.
17 Judgment also will I lay to the line, and righteousness to the plummet: and the hail shall sweep away the REFUGE OF LIES, and the waters shall overflow the hiding place.
18 ... when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it.
19 From the time that it goeth forth it shall take you: for morning by morning shall it pass over, by day and by night: and it shall be a vexation only to understand the report.
20 For the bed is shorter than that a man can stretch himself on it: and the covering narrower than that he can wrap himself in it.
21 For the Lord shall rise up as in mount Perazim, he shall be wroth as in the valley of Gibeon, that he may do his work, his STRANGE work; and bring to pass his act, his STRANGE act.
22 Now therefore be ye not mockers, lest your bands be made strong: for I have heard from the Lord GOD of hosts a consumption, even determined upon the whole earth.
Only God Can JUDGE me.....Since you are so well versed in Scripture then you should know what happens to those who judge others;) They will hate me just as they hated Jesus....if people would have understood what Jesus was telling them they would not have crucified him. Blasphemy against Jesus is forgivable but Blasphemy of the HOLY SPIRIT is not forgivable...Be Humble before the LORD.
What? it is not the holy spirit, but the spirit of darkness that inspired the message posted. america has nothing to do with the prophecy of isaiah 60, it is fake.
what you said is from the pit and rises up from the bottonless pit bringing a devilish theory of your esoteric, and kabbalistic, and spiritist belief when you say that ".....the most high's greatest mystery in the bible is the second coming of jesus, which is the female incarnation of his perfect soul ....to have the faith needed to fear the lord more than any principality...to bring jesus back to life... a message from the most high".
the message you posted is a stumbling block for god's people, because your thinking is from a human perspective, not from god's perspective!"
THIS Chapter is calling out ZION = AMERICA AND THAT TGE DAUGHTER OF ZION WILL COME TO ESTABLISH TGE NEW JERUSALEM AND IS THE GATEKEEPER WITH THE KEY TO BRING JESUS FROM HEAVEN TO EARTH TO BE KING.....THE MOST HIGH'S GREATEST MYSTERY IN THE BIBLE IS THE SECOND COMING OF JESUS, WHICH IS THE FEMALE INCARNATION OF HIS PERFECT SOUL ....TO HAVE THE FAITH NEEDED TO FEAR THE LORD MORE THAN ANY PRINCIPALITY...TO BRING JESUS BACK TO LIFE... A MESSAGE FROM THE MOST HIGH
You will arise and have mercy on Zion; for the time to favor her, yes, the set time, has come. For your servants take pleasure in her stones, and show favor to her dust.
So the nations shall fear the name of the Lord, and all the kings of the earth your glory. For the Lord shall build up Zion; he shall appear in his glory. This will be written for the generation to come, that a people yet to be created may praise the Lord. For he looked down from the height of his sanctuary; from heaven the Lord viewed the earth, to hear the groaning of the prisoner, to release those appointed to death, to declare the name of the Lord in Zion. And his praise in Jerusalem, when the peoples are gathered together, and the kingdoms, to serve the Lord.
Please let Your ear be attentive and Your eyes open, that You may hear the prayer of Your servant which I pray before You now, day and night, for the children of Israel Your servants, and confess the sins of the children of Israel which we have sinned against You. Both my father's house and I have sinned.
Now may the God of patience and comfort grant you to be like-minded toward one another, according to Christ Jesus, Look down from Your holy habitation, from heaven, and bless Your people Israel and the land which You have given us, just as You swore to our fathers, "a land flowing with milk and honey." Now it shall come to pass in the latter days.
One thing I most enjoy my brother. Absorbing our Fathers marvelous days. His beautiful blue sky. Puffy white, ever changing, clouds. His wind that comes and goes. The birds and their glorious songs. Butterflies, flowers, all the colors, etc.
Only if it wasn't raining so much right now. This is a Blessing as well.
We wouldn't be able to do a full study here but I will give you an outline of this chapter 60 in Isaiah.
This chapter is essentially about the future of Israel & Jerusalem, specifically the glory that will again be theirs in Christ's Millennial Kingdom on Earth. Even though the Gentiles will be in darkness, God's Glory will be seen upon Israel (v 2). This will draw the Gentiles into God's Light (v 3) & they too, if they repent, will share in the Millennial blessings (v 5) & the nations around will brings their offerings to it (vv 6-11). But the nations that remain obstinate & reject Israel will be left to ruin (v 12). Where once Israel was hated & despised, they will be the one to be admired & drawn towards (vv 15,16). The Lord Himself will be there & there will be no more violence or mourning for Jesus will be their continual Light & Salvation (vv 18-21).
Interestingly, Isaiah 61:1 was quoted by Jesus when He was on Earth & when He ministered in the synagogue (see Luke 4:14-21). Jesus quoted that Isaiah portion, 61:1 to 2a, but He did not quote the second part of verse 2, "the day of vengeance of our God". Jesus sat down & said (in Luke 4:21), "This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears", meaning, He made the claim before the Jews gathered there, that He was anointed by God to do all that God had ordained & prophesied in Isaiah 16:1 & 2 by His Coming to Earth. But for the future coming day of vengeance which will be prior to His Second Coming, culminating in the War of Armageddon, He won't come as the healer, comforter & deliverer, but to bring desolation to the world of sinners. And then comes the Millennial Era where Jesus rules from the Earth & what we read in Isaiah chapter 60.
Isaiah is telling about an Israel of God that is coming in the last days. A lil one shall become a 1000 a small one a Strong Nation i the lord will hasten it in its time,They are spirits th H.G. plural that are gonna be born in US sinners,That which is BORN of the spirit is Spirit the SEED is the Word WHICH IS SPIRIT thus his children are spirits They are the babes and sucklings Jesus HID. They are the result of his seed th WORD that is gona be sown in our hearts, they also answer to the LIL CHILD that is gonna lead us ( the H.G. ) Jesus said when he the Spirit of truth is come HE will LEAD you into all truth.Unless ya receive the KINGDOM as a LIL CHILD you will in no wise enter TH KINGDOM.
we are truly bless to be part of the promise, for those who desire to be save will be save, I thank God for His graces and mercy. to follow Christ is a blessing, He show that He loves everyone because He included the gentile also, it's a shame that some of God people can't see the love in other as the Lord see.
Verse 12
The United States should take heed to this verse
For the nation and kingdom that will not serve thee shall perish ,yea those nations ,shall be utterly wasted
Our country seems to have forgotten the ruler if the universe, our one true Heavenly Father .
Such practices using trees were common among the Druids and Germanic tribes who were pagan. This does not mean that a Christmas tree automatically is an Asherah pole or an evergreen idol worshipped by the Druids/Germanic pagans.
I think that each person needs to search their hearts about what the Christmas tree represents to them, since it seems the origin of their use is in paganism. But, with prayer, God will let someone know if it is proper to have one to commemorate the advent of Jesus our Lord. The Israelites erected altars to worship God and remembrance stones/pillars to be a reminder of what God has done for them which is similar to what the pagans did. So, there is biblical reference for God's people having symbols to remind them of God's work and Person, as long as one does not worship the symbol instead of God or have the symbol represent God, Himself. It is a fine line to walk. I don't really have a definitive answer. Perhaps going a year without a tree may help someone discern if it is a practice that is needed for them or, changing the way it is viewed, perhaps simply as decor that bring cheer to the heart in the dark winter days. In any way, we do need to be aware of what unbelievers will think or say about how we apply such customs in our lives,, because they are a witness for good or not.
I have a large manger inside my home which I love. It looks like a cave with moss leaves and straw. figures, lots of animals; even the little drummer boy.
its a blessing to the individual and its a reminder of what God gave us in the celebration of his Sons birth ok. If it
it is adored and worshipped then its gets elevated to idolatry which is anything that influences the mind above Gods Word
because that's our primary focus daily to love God. Second one not Good Romans 14 whole chapter
Hopefully these help you further in your study & willingness to seek truth & GOD's will.
The Jewish thought was simply of external washing prior to religious performances (Muslims also do this for that very reason, prior to their five daily prayer rituals) - the Christian belief is one of responding to an inward change. John's baptism was the 'connecting piece', bringing Jews to understand that there needs to be a washing not for the body as was previously done, but to show that it is actually a matter of the heart. And this was done by the "The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight", in preparation of the arrival & ministry of the Messiah, Whom the Jews should have welcomed according to the prophecies that went before Him, but to their suffering & eternal doom, the they rejected & even had Him crucified.
Further, it is 'impossible' for The 'ONE' Baptism to be 'physical' water, Since IT Is The 'Spiritual' OPERATION Of God, inducting 'members' Into The 'ONE' Body Of CHRIST, Under GRACE! Ephesians 4:5 and 1 Corinthians 12:13 Please Be 'Richly' Encouraged!:
ONE Baptism: Link
In verse 19, Jesus said to baptize in the name of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. The reason why all three of the Godhead are mentioned here is because the Jews actually immersed or baptized three times. We do it once. But the Jews would dunk three times for baptism. They didn't know why. But Jesus is saying that when you immerse three times, one is in the name of the Father, one's in the name of the Son, and one is in the name of the Holy Spirit.
Around the year 316 A.D., Constantine changed it. He said that if that's the way the Jews do it, and if that's the way Jesus told them to do it, then we are only going to immerse once, just to be different.
So we dunk once in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. And the Jews dunk three times. But that's why Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is used here. When you go to the book of Acts, they baptized in the name of Jesus. So now we have this big battle of the baptisms, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, or "Jesus name only?" But you see, one is Jewish, and one is Gentile!
Reference;
Mathew 28;18-19.
And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, "baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost"
Thank you.
Again: Isaiah prophesied: Isaiah 28:v. 16-22
16 Therefore thus saith the Lord God, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste.
17 Judgment also will I lay to the line, and righteousness to the plummet: and the hail shall sweep away the REFUGE OF LIES, and the waters shall overflow the hiding place.
And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken:but on whomsoever it shall fall,it will grind him to powder. Mat.21:44
Isaiah 16:v. 16-22
16 Therefore thus saith the Lord God, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste.
17 Judgment also will I lay to the line, and righteousness to the plummet: and the hail shall sweep away the REFUGE OF LIES, and the waters shall overflow the hiding place.
18 ... when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it.
19 From the time that it goeth forth it shall take you: for morning by morning shall it pass over, by day and by night: and it shall be a vexation only to understand the report.
20 For the bed is shorter than that a man can stretch himself on it: and the covering narrower than that he can wrap himself in it.
21 For the Lord shall rise up as in mount Perazim, he shall be wroth as in the valley of Gibeon, that he may do his work, his STRANGE work; and bring to pass his act, his STRANGE act.
22 Now therefore be ye not mockers, lest your bands be made strong: for I have heard from the Lord GOD of hosts a consumption, even determined upon the whole earth.
what you said is from the pit and rises up from the bottonless pit bringing a devilish theory of your esoteric, and kabbalistic, and spiritist belief when you say that ".....the most high's greatest mystery in the bible is the second coming of jesus, which is the female incarnation of his perfect soul ....to have the faith needed to fear the lord more than any principality...to bring jesus back to life... a message from the most high".
the message you posted is a stumbling block for god's people, because your thinking is from a human perspective, not from god's perspective!"
matt. 16:v.23
You will arise and have mercy on Zion; for the time to favor her, yes, the set time, has come. For your servants take pleasure in her stones, and show favor to her dust.
So the nations shall fear the name of the Lord, and all the kings of the earth your glory. For the Lord shall build up Zion; he shall appear in his glory. This will be written for the generation to come, that a people yet to be created may praise the Lord. For he looked down from the height of his sanctuary; from heaven the Lord viewed the earth, to hear the groaning of the prisoner, to release those appointed to death, to declare the name of the Lord in Zion. And his praise in Jerusalem, when the peoples are gathered together, and the kingdoms, to serve the Lord.
Please let Your ear be attentive and Your eyes open, that You may hear the prayer of Your servant which I pray before You now, day and night, for the children of Israel Your servants, and confess the sins of the children of Israel which we have sinned against You. Both my father's house and I have sinned.
Now may the God of patience and comfort grant you to be like-minded toward one another, according to Christ Jesus, Look down from Your holy habitation, from heaven, and bless Your people Israel and the land which You have given us, just as You swore to our fathers, "a land flowing with milk and honey." Now it shall come to pass in the latter days.
Only if it wasn't raining so much right now. This is a Blessing as well.
God Bless.
Jesus Christ is Lord!!!!!!!!!!!!! To the glory of God the Father!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
jesus christ is lord!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! to the glory of god the father!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
jesus christ is lord!!!!!!!!!!!!! to the glory of god the father!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This chapter is essentially about the future of Israel & Jerusalem, specifically the glory that will again be theirs in Christ's Millennial Kingdom on Earth. Even though the Gentiles will be in darkness, God's Glory will be seen upon Israel (v 2). This will draw the Gentiles into God's Light (v 3) & they too, if they repent, will share in the Millennial blessings (v 5) & the nations around will brings their offerings to it (vv 6-11). But the nations that remain obstinate & reject Israel will be left to ruin (v 12). Where once Israel was hated & despised, they will be the one to be admired & drawn towards (vv 15,16). The Lord Himself will be there & there will be no more violence or mourning for Jesus will be their continual Light & Salvation (vv 18-21).
Interestingly, Isaiah 61:1 was quoted by Jesus when He was on Earth & when He ministered in the synagogue (see Luke 4:14-21). Jesus quoted that Isaiah portion, 61:1 to 2a, but He did not quote the second part of verse 2, "the day of vengeance of our God". Jesus sat down & said (in Luke 4:21), "This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears", meaning, He made the claim before the Jews gathered there, that He was anointed by God to do all that God had ordained & prophesied in Isaiah 16:1 & 2 by His Coming to Earth. But for the future coming day of vengeance which will be prior to His Second Coming, culminating in the War of Armageddon, He won't come as the healer, comforter & deliverer, but to bring desolation to the world of sinners. And then comes the Millennial Era where Jesus rules from the Earth & what we read in Isaiah chapter 60.
jesus love's us ...all. and i do too.
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satan its demons minions devils , & its chipmunks thinks it's so clever, but is not!!!.
for, it is written...the biggest fool is a fool that continuesly fools themselves!!!.
"be very extremely careful."
"for the endtimes are upon the earth."
for it is written...thy kingdom come and thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven. ( matthew 6; 10.)
it is written ..the earth is the lord's and the fulness thereof. ( psalm 24; 1-3.)
it is written...my spirit is just like the wind it goes wherever it wishes too. ( john 3; 8