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Many believers fail because of a lack of knowledge of the enemy of our souls. They often say, that we would rather spend our energies on meditating on the Lord than worry about the Devil. And this they do, while Satan has a field day with some of them. "We are not ignorant of his devices" said Paul, a man who was continually hounded by the enemy but was well acquainted with his ways. And so we relax in the sunshine of our salvation oblivious & ignorant to his evil schemes, until the time of temptation comes upon us.
"Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour" ( 1 Pet 5:8).
As you summarised your case well, so I offer the following:
The apostles & the Church they served began to observe the Lord's Day as the First Day of the Week in memory of their Saviour's resurrection. This New Day was to be in direct contrast & opposition to the Jewish Sabbath: a Sabbath which required strict adherence & a part of God's Commandments to them which they could never keep & only showed this fact & their sinful condition. So Jesus came to not only keep God's Laws perfectly, but to ultimately nail them to the Cross at His Death so that all who come to Him by faith can do so in obedience to His Spirit & not to the Letter which could only bring death & separation from Him.
e. Acts 20:7. "first day of Sabbath in reckoning 7 Sabbaths to Pentecost". The Greek word, Sabbaton used here, doesn't necessarily need to mean the Jewish Sabbath, as this word is used elsewhere with the meaning of 'week or weeks'. Refer to Mark 16:1 & 16:2. Clearly, v1 refers to the Jewish Sabbath & v2 to the 'first of weeks' = first day of the week = Sunday. So too, in Matthew 28:1: Sabbath + Week; Mark 16:9; Jn 20:1,19; Acts 20:7; 1 Cor 16:2: all used the Gk. Sabbaton referring to week & not Sabbath.
f. 1 Cor 16:2. Literally translated: "Upon the first day of the Sabbaton (week), each one should lay by him (i.e. on his own, in private, in quietness, without show or fanfare) & store aside..". The instruction here is that the believer, in consideration of the 'poor saints', should as part of the day of worship & rest from their labours, along with the giving of their freewill offerings to the assembly, to also put aside these special gifts for the poor. This was so there wasn't a mad rush to do a collection at the last minute & even take away from the sanctity of the day.
g. Rev 1:10. To remain consistent with other references to the first day of the week, we can't change the reference to the Lord's Day in Rev 1:10 to read "Day of the Lord". That would be forcing an unreasonable application to a simple reading of the verse. John was "in the spirit on the Lord's Day", not "in the spirit towards the Day of the Lord".
Greg, just to respond to that which you've now raised, instead of re-hashing what I've shared earlier:
a. if you're referring to Gen 2:3, then I agree that God rested from His Labours & sanctified that day but it wasn't declared as a Sabbath until the giving of the Law. What Scripture from the OT do you use to support: "This Law was established for ALL to obey and enjoy?"
b. The 10 Commandments, as God's requirements, can never be abolished: "Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good." ( Rom 7:12). It was perfectly fulfilled by Jesus at His Coming & fully discharged at His Death & Resurrection.
c. I don't follow the 10 Commandments as they don't have any bearing, nor could have, on my Christian life. However, lest you think that I've adopted an antinomian stance, my subjection is not to the Law given to Israel, which only brought death ( Rom 7:10,11), but to the Law of the Life-giving Spirit ( Rom 8:2).
d. I fully agree that Jesus, in His Coming, fulfilled OT prophecy & I also agree that Faith without Works is dead. This 'Works' cannot refer to keeping the Law but of other practical evidence of real, saving Faith. However, it is interesting that you quote Gal 3:11,12. This passage specifically states, from v10, that those who maintain the 'working of the law' in their lives are under a curse as none can obey the Law to the letter; therefore, man cannot be justified by the Law - it is of Faith - and "Christ has come to redeem us from the curse of the Law" (v13). I realize that Paul was referring to possibly the Judaizers who wanted to promote this fusion of Law & Grace which opposed the pure Gospel of Christ, but doesn't it then apply to anyone who wants to support this 'obedience to the Law'?
That is absolutely correct! Norm Franz explains it all and much more better than I ever could! He is a pastor. There is no third eye in the bible and yes guys it is completely opposite of Our Lord and Savior Jesus. It is evil, masonic! It was brought up so I wanted to bring it to your attention, where and what the third eye is about! If you study Masons in depth, they are truly evil and not for Jesus! One of many who want to bring the NWO! I believe not only studying the bible and yes, the King James version only, for sure! However, if we are not keeping up with the slick,deceiving things Satan up to? How do we protect not only ourselves but our children as well as helping others from being seduced by (Satan) the worldly ways. We have to be educated not only on the Bible but as well as on our enemy. We are in a spiritual warfare, in any war, a intelligent opponent keeps up on the enemy's moves and stradegies! I have learned so much from Norm Franz and others and have watched the things they have talked about come to pass over the past 25 years!
Hey guys my internet was out for at least a week, I'm sorry for the delayed reply!
God Bless everyone, always trust in Him no matter what happens!
And I will turn my hand upon thee, and purely purge away thy dross, and take away all thy tin:
Surely this should be sin.
Bless you
Lynne
I appreciate your feedback concerning the Seventh Day.
In considering the other side of the teaching that you presented, I will respond below.
The Seventh day was declared by God BEFORE He chose Israel. This Law was established for ALL to obey and enjoy.
The 10 Commandments are OT LAW, are they abolished?
Do you still follow the 10 Commandments?
Jesus abolished BLOOD Ordinances, and either partially or completely fulfilled OT prophecy concerning His first coming, but Christ did not come to abolish the LAW.
So, then, if a person claims to have FAITH in Jesus but all of his WORKS are evil, where do you think this person ends up? Jesus tells us very plainly ( Matthew 7:23). Looks like FAITH has a lot to do with following the LAW ( Galatians 3:11-12) and with WORKS, ( James 2:17).
The English word "week" is defined from the Greek word meaning "Sabbath" or "day of rest;" also a 7 day period of time.
You state that the Lord God or His only begotten Son changed the holy Sabbath day based upon Scripture (from your understanding of Acts 20:7, 1 Corinthians 16:2, and Revelation 1:10):
"The first day of the week began to be recognized as the Lord's Day and that the Church began worshipping on that day"
Acts 20:7, concerns the first day of the Sabbath in reckoning the 7 Sabbaths to Pentecost.
1 Corinthians 16:2 has to do with preparation (work) for when Paul returns.
Revelation 1:10 concerns John being taken "in the spirit" to the great and dreadful "day of the Lord" or the "Lord's day"
when the Messiah shall return, and John is given testimony in relation to that. (Not Sunday!)
None of these Scriptures you offer give authorization to change the Sabbath day from the SEVENTH DAY to the FIRST DAY of the week.
Christ FORETOLD US EVERYTHING WE NEED TO KNOW. God did not give us instruction to change the Sabbath, neither did Jesus, nor did the Prophets and Apostles.
It brings up NO scriptures from KJV Bible.
Nothing comes up except the quick link to Google.
Personally, I do not see what Third Eye has to do with Jesus Christ and you believing in what HE DID.
I could add other comment on that but I'm not going to. You should give your energy to finding out why millions upon millions have given their hearts and sometime their mortal lives To Jesus.
Satan attacks us in any way he can get a toe hold. For some it is through a spirit of higher intellect. Jesus came as the Good Shepherd who careth for His sheep. We are to be content to live by His side. To submit to his leadership.
I don't want to argue this anymore.
It seems that your understanding of those Scriptures in Genesis & Mark applied not only to Israel but to all mankind, or more specifically to the 'other sheep' that were to come into Christ's fold. To this I disagree, for the following reasons:
a. Exodus 31:13-17 & Ezek 20:12. Clear references as to who should keep the Sabbath & that it was given as not only a day of ceasing from all labours, but as importantly, a sign of the relationship between God & Israel. It was never intended to include Gentiles or the Church in such a requirement.
b. Galatians 3:19. Shows that both the validity & finality of the Law (the whole Law) was fully realized at the death of Jesus Christ.
c. Matthew 5:17. Jesus demonstrated that He alone could fulfil the whole requirements of the Law & none else. The Law was given because of "transgressions" but none could obey it fully to please God & satisfy its demands, since "if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law" ( Gal 3:21). So no Law could bring righteousness, even as a certain ruler learned ( Lk 18:18-24). If he believed he obeyed all of God's Law, how did Jesus pick him up on that point of selling all & following him? That man just had a quick lesson to find out that he in fact didn't obey it perfectly: he broke the very first commandment by placing his wealth, & maybe family & other assets, before his love for God.
How then can we rest on the Law for anything except to know God's Mind & Purposes?
That website does make a reference to the Third Eye, but only for contrast to what Jesus spoke about concerning the 'eye' (i.e. being single or being evil, etc.) & what John Wesley commented about the eye. However, one Elizabeth Clare Prophet (New Ager) was also quoted in contrast who gave her understanding: that "Jesus was speaking of the "third eye chakra" or inner eye of enlightenment. When humans were first created perfect, she says, they were enlightened by this third eye, but after the fall, it is now only reached through meditation." So please don't be swayed by this, as this type of belief is opposed to Holy Scripture & comes mixed with Eastern religions that are in direct violation to the teachings of the Bible. There is no such thing as a third eye: when we are saved through Christ's shed Blood, it is the Holy Spirit Who enlightens our minds to see ourselves, other people & the world we live in, through 'different eyes' = as Christ sees things. To desire knowledge about 'third eye', shows that we lend our support to such a belief & this can NEVER be for a true follower of Jesus & one who is obedient to God's Word. The New Age teaching is from Hell & violates everything that God teaches us from the Bible & requires of us.
The Bible verses you gave do not support this 'third eye' belief, rather they speak of our understanding, our purity & the way we need to look at others. So, in my summation, I don't believe for one moment that the Bible has any reference at all to a 'third eye' & it would be most profitable for you to not meddle with such anti-biblical teaching which ultimately leads us away from Truth & Holiness.
25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed (weeds) tares among the wheat, and went his way.
26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.
27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?
28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together FIRST first the TARES (WEEDS) tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
(first the tares WEEDS get gathered, then the wheat last) could it be any more plain than this?)
Did Jesus mess up the timing of end time events?
Matthew 13:36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.
37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
a. The Sabbath was given to man Mark 2:27 at creation Genesis 2:2-3 it's not a day that God required just for the Israelite's to keep, which is why the 4th commandment starts with "remember" it is because the children of Israel had forgotten through hundreds of years of slavery in Egypt.
b. Jesus came to this world not to destroy the law and the prophets Matt. 5:17, The law (10 commandments) says to remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy.
The breaking of bread in Acts 20:7 is referring to eating (food) (see Acts 20:11)
1 Cor. 16:2 the "first day of the week" Paul is referring to putting aside your offerings (collection for the saints) starting on the first day of the week (Sunday) (see 1 Cor.16:1)
Revelation 1:10 John was in vision on the sabbath (Lord's day is the sabbath, For the son of man is Lord, even of the sabbath day. (see Matthew 12:8)
c. What was nailed to the cross was the "ceremonial laws" not the 10 commandments. In (Matt.27:51) the veil of the temple was rent in two when Jesus died on the cross, the ceremonial laws that God had required since sin came into the world (sacrificing animals ect) was no longer needed because the ultimate sacrifice had just been made and that was the shedding of blood of a sinless Jesus on the cross.
Matthew 5:18 One jot or one tittle shall not wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Rev. 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter into the gates of the city.
d. to those that then require the keeping of the Sabbath as mandatory even for Christians, does the disobedience to this Law then translate to sin & what then is the result? In other words, is there hope of salvation for the 'Christian' who refuses to recognize the Sabbath Day? Is our salvation dependent on the Cross plus the keeping of the Sabbath?
e. However, is it possible to keep the Sabbath, indeed the whole Law as one would so be bound to, & not commit the sin of syncretizing the Law of Works & Grace? Would not then the observance of the Sabbath be a sin, as it shows the believer placing himself back under the Law for salvation or to assist in it? So, a Sabbath-keeper is obliged to 'keep the whole Law & if he offends in one point, he is guilty of all (Js 2:10).
Greg, you gave a good account in support of keeping the Sabbath day holy, but could you consider the following as the other side of this teaching?
a. Israel was marked out by God to be His chosen people: to set His Love upon them & through whom His Son would come to reconcile man to God. As such there were two clear signs that proved to the nations about them, that this people were Holy, separated to God: the giving of the Law & Circumcision. No other nation received this instruction & compulsion to obey.
b. when Jesus came into this World, His Ministry & His calling together of the twelve, they were still, in what we regard, the Old Testament, or Old Covenant, even though the Bible was divided differently. It was only natural, in keeping of the Law & occasion to worship, that the Sabbath was still recognized as the day of rest. After He rose from the grave & ascended to Heaven, the believers still worshipped on the Sabbath if attending the synagogue, but the 'first day of week' began to be recognized as the Lord's Day & the Church began to worship on that day ( Acts 20:7, 1 Cor 16:2, Rev 1:10, in reference to the Lord's Day as a recognized day set aside).
c. as part of the New Covenant, we understand that it was made through HIS Blood (unlike the blood of the sacrifices under the Old) which not only gave all who expressed faith in Christ's Work a New & Living Way back to God, but also "nailed to the Cross the handwriting of Ordinances that were against them" ( Col 2:14). This now redundant Law signified that any obedience to it & binding of the Law to ourselves was no longer compatible to the New Covenant: indeed, to observe the Law of Works & the Law of Grace did despite to the Work of the Cross. The two cannot be syncretized. Gal 2:21: "for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain."
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the BOOK OF LIFE and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, ACCORDING TO THEIR WORKS.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Romans Chapter One, shows us that people are WITHOUT excuse as to why they did not see God as The Creator of all that we enjoy...His Creation. It doesn't require a church experience or a preacher to convince people that SOMEONE MADE ALL that they see with their eyes, every day of their life.
The Bible has been in existence and able to be purchased for personal use for hundreds of years. The Dead Sea Scrolls in existence even longer.
How long has Christmas been celebrated? It wasn't commercialized like it is now.
Don't you see that God was always here, waiting for us to see our need for a Savior.
I believe that children under the age of accountability who died or were murdered will be admitted to heaven. Scripture supports that.
God made it rain hail that was in flames on a cloudless day, yet Pharaoh would not accept God.
Scripture says people in hell pray for their living loved ones to get saved.
I know of false teachers, now, who teach there is no hell.
Decide to choose LIFE, so you and those you love can choose Jesus and be ready for heaven. John 3 (Click on the link)
Tell others you know that aren't ready.
Mishael
And God RESTED on the SEVENTH DAY.
And God BLESSED the SEVENTH DAY and SANCTIFIED the SEVENTH DAY.
Many have changed the day of rest from the SEVENTH DAY to the first day.
There are TWO Biblical reasons people believe this.
1) The first day of the week is the day that Matthew 28:1, Mark and Luke 23:55, 24:2 relate that the sepulchre was opened and Jesus was not found there.
2) During the 40 days that Jesus was on earth before He rose into heaven He appeared to His disciples seven times. Five of the seven times Jesus met with them on the FIRST DAY of the week. The other two times, the day is not mentioned. Look at Mark 16:9-13, Mark 16:14-18, Luke 24:13-33, Luke 24:34, Luke 24:36-44, John 20:11-23, John 20:26-29.
None of the examples given above concerning the FIRST DAY of the week allow any authority for us to change the SEVENTH DAY to the FIRST DAY.
Jesus NEVER GAVE AUTHORITY TO DO THIS.
( Mark 2:27-28) "And he said unto them, The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath. Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the Sabbath."
If we believe in the Father and His only begotten Son, then we have Christ in us every day, not just one day per week.
This new understanding is an enhancement of the 7th day, not the abolishing of it. It was made to last FOREVER. This is a day that God BLESSED and SANCTIFIED!
Christ ALWAYS honored the Sabbath.
The Apostles kept the Sabbath AFTER CHRIST DIED; look at Acts 13:14, 27, 42, 44, Acts 16:13, etc.
Pentecost is a holy SABBATH day; i.e. a day of rest.
In Acts 17:2 and Acts 18:4, Paul is continually feeding the people Scripture on the SABBATH. Christ never abolished the Sabbath; neither did Paul. God never said anything concerning that fact, and if He wanted that day changed He would have made it abundantly clear.
Further study concerning the importance of the Seventh Day can be found throughout ALL Scripture; as well as in the Book of Enoch.
Goodwill stores have them.
If reading is hard, there are numerous videos on YouTube that you can listen to: church sermons, Bible, everything.
You get yourself born again according to John 3 (click on this link) and God, the Holy Spirit will be your personal Teacher.
FIRST you are going to have to Repent of this Third Eye hogwash. You cannot give yourself to Jesus till you give all the demonic stuff back to the devil, in his face!
He is the Destroyer, NOT GOD. Blame the right person. This Pandemic is Satan's and it is engineered to kill 1/3 of Earths population. It started in China. It is what it is. The only way to survive is to have Jesus as your Savior.
Come in through the front door ok? You don't kick the door down and expect people to run like deer to get you what you want.
Come in just like we did. Needing some truth. Seeking some answers. Willing to listen.
Agape to you.
I come quickly!