Back in those days Satan was allowed to traverse dimensions de facto for so did GOD. GOD a just, fair righteous GOD for every negative there is a positive. Satan and angels (messengers) good and bad traversed earth unnoticed for they are in our exact image, some are still allowed by GOD Hebrew 13:2. In the temptation of CHRIST, HE ordered Satan behind HIM ( Luke 4:8) and that is where Satan is held by Michael until he is cast out again to be here defacto along with the 7k that refused to be born of woman to reign for 5 months. The 7k fallen angels were here defacto impregnated the women to corrupt the seed of Abraham from which umbilical cord to umbilical cord CHRIST would come. Satan's spirit is still allowed and other evil spirits to possess people but they are no longer allowed to traverse dimensions in person until 6th trump ( Revelation 12:7). We know this because CHRIST and the disciples cast out many. Disciples had trouble with a stubborn one; the lunatic -Satan's very spirit. GOD allows this; for HE wants us to defeat them; CHRIST gave us the power to defeat all our enemies as long as we have CHRIST as head of us. Luke 10:19. If we discern a evil spirit we are to not argue with them but rebuke them Jude 1:9
Have you ever been tempted? If so, did you think it came from heaven or from the earth? If you can answer this question than you have answered your own.
It is impossible for God to tempt us.
Satan will make you believe it is God that is doing the tempting, while he makes himself into an angel of light.
Scripture has a way of looking things out for us, so we have a better understanding of what is really going on around us.
This meeting the bible speaks of, will eventually take place in our lives in one time or another. It will be only because of the grace found in Christ that we will overcome in the time of temptation!
There is a war going on for the souls of Gods creation. It is called you and me in this Heaven and earth!
I believe you're correct, we don't have any specific reference to Satan in the NT having access to Heaven. Apart from the one I quoted ( Revelation 12:10) which speaks of Satan accusing us before God, I have no idea as to how far he is able to proceed towards God, or even if his accusations against us arise from Earth. Clearly, the NT doesn't speak on this subject, rather on his afflictions upon God's people. Sorry, I can't give you much help on this.
Lessons from the Book of Job - In Reply on Job 1 - 2 years ago
This is a Commentary by Matthew Henry about Satan. His name before he fell into rebellion and took 1/3 of the angels with him, was Lucifer. Read Isaiah 14.
In Job he heard God brag on Job, and such was his jealousy, he asked to prove Job false. That Job would curse God. God knew what kind of man Job was, so He allowed Satan to get at Job, but He couldn't take Jobs life.
Satan is a spy. He spies on everyone, assessing faults. He saw Job making sacrifices for his "partying children." Ahah! He thought that was Jobs weakness. He stirred up a tornado and leveled Job's kids homes, they themselves, livestock and everything!
Job staggers out to the road and collapses. Next his wife tells him to curse God and die. We don't hear from her again. Then all these so-called friends come visit Job to allege that maybe he sinned?
Jobs hair falls out, he develops boils, he's probably fasting in grief for his family.
In following chapters God comes and ministers to Job the greatness of His power over all of creation. He pushes the clouds around, owns stores of hail, snow, rain_it's just eye opening all the things that God is in control of. It taught me, that I can, in prayer, ask for favor in weather issues.
At the end of the story, God heals Job, multiplies all Job lost, back to him ten-fold.
There's a lot of wisdom in that book. First being that Satan has to ask God, to tempt us. No matter what happens. Stand firmly on the Rock, which is Jesus. He is your Shield.
Hello Margo. One cannot comment with great clarity or certainty on a matter that is contained in a couple of chapters in Job. From what I read, it appears that Satan did have access to Heaven, as he did on these occasions, but was he allowed right into God's Presence or was his access limited? We know that he is still a spirit being so movement on Earth or in the heavens is not limited. But God does set bounds for spirit & human beings, so it may well be that we can assume this here also.
In Revelation 12:10, we read that the 'accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night." So, here is another instance of Satan's access to the 'vicinity' of God, so that he might accuse those in Christ for their sins & failings.
How all this happens, we can only guess, but I feel sure that Heaven still remains free from any wickedness, because Holiness surrounds God's Throne ( Psalm 47:8; Isaiah 63:15; Psalm 93).
A friend referenced this verse indicating that when the sons of God (i.e., Job) came to present themselves before the Lord ... and Satan also came along.
Might you know where this meeting took place? Was it in Heaven?
My church buddy says that the meeting may have taken place in Heaven and that if Satan came along, then Satan has access to go to Heaven. Is this true?
In addition, she says that if Satan is present in Heaven or when he has access to Heaven, and He is evil and full of sin, then does that mean Heaven is no longer a sinless place where no evil exists?
I need to clarify this line of thinking because that's new to me.
Son's of GOD = 1 John 4:15, Galatians 4:7, 1 John 5:10, Ezra 3:2, Hebrews 12:7, Revelation 21:7, 1 Timothy 1:2, 1 Corinthians 6:2-3,
Jesus CHRIST the MESSIAH referred to the most as Son of GOD. Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Acts, Romans, Hebrews, etc.
Luke 3:38,
* Romans 8:14, * Hebrews 1:13-14,
I understand "Son's of GOD presented themselves before GOD" to mean= they prayed notice Job 1:5, "offered burnt offerings" then vrs. 6._._._ the accuser came, Revelation 12:10,
Genesis 4:26, Luke 3:38,
Exodus 34:2, Leviticus 14:11, Leviticus 16:28, 1 Samuel 10:19, Daniel 9:18, Luke 2:22, Romans 12:1, Jude 1:24-25,
In Job 23:12, it says "Neither have I gone back from the commandment of His lips, I have esteemed the words of his mouth more than my necessary food."
What really is necessary, Spiritual food, or physical food? We eat three times a day or more, plus dessert. How often do we eat spiritually and feed the soul? Very interesting!
In John 4:32, after the disciples brought physical food to Jesus, they said to Him, "Master, eat." Jesus answers and says, " I have meat to eat that ye know not of.
I don't know if you have ever experienced this before, where you are physically hungry, you are physically tired, but then in some way, shape, or form, God ministers through you to someone else, or from someone else to you, and whatever physical hunger you have or physical thirst you have, it doesn't make any difference! You forget about the physical hunger and you are no longer hungry.
The spiritual food is contentment in and of itself. You are not as hungry as you used to be or as starved as you used to be. Now what is interesting here is that remember the woman left her water pot behind.
Jesus said you just brought physical food from the city, but I have food to eat that you know not of. He ministered God's word to this woman.
Neil Job 1 Both he had respect for God and reveranced [some times translated fear] him never blaming God for his problems and in Job 3:25 like all of us on occasion the thing which I greatly feared is come upon me and that which I
Amen to that brother! From one grace believer to another, there is no other way to understand Gods word unless we realize that we as the body of Christ are in the " but now " the dispensation of the grace of God and that Paul is our apostle. Love you! See you in glory!
Jesus is returning Soon - In Reply on Job 1 - 3 years ago
No. Everyone must be saved through Jesus Christ. Read this slowly ok?
JOHN 3
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
15
That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17
For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
On the red link page where you came in the website: is a link BECOME A CHRISTIAN. You can pray to God and He will hear you. Your name will be recorded in the Book of Life.
Neither Jude 1:6 nor 2 Peter 2:4 tell us how many angels followed Satan in his rebellion, Prasanth. Some Bible students might use Revelation 12:3,4 referring to Satan taking with him one third of the angelic host with him, but the narrative is too vague in my opinion & Revelation itself is not always in sequential order.
So, I cannot vouch with any certainty about the number of angels but my sense is that it would have been a great company of them, not just a dozen or so. And then of course, if the fallen angels were kept in everlasting chains awaiting Judgement Day, does the demonic activity of old & present days, represent the spirits of those angels? It's hard to have certainty & form conclusions.
I need one more clarification , Jude 1:6 says it was chained and locked untill the judement day. I just want to know howmany highrank angels are fallen from the kingdom of heaven and trouble to our mankind.
Hello Prasanth. The question you ask is a valid one & because the Scriptures are not entirely clear on all the events pertaining to Satan's origin & despatch, we can only formulate an opinion based on what the Scriptures do reveal. Therefore, we can get many opinions on this, even yours could be valid. So, as you've asked the question, let me give you my understanding using a timeline.
a. When God created all things in Heaven (He Himself being un-created), all heavenly beings, etc. were created in eternity past. This was before the creation of the worlds, of man & of other things for the Earth. In Heaven, God created beings such as cherubs, seraphs, beasts, etc., which all had a particular function before God & which constantly worshipped Him ( Ezekiel 10:1-22; Isaiah 6:1-8).
b. One cherub, which was "perfect in thy ways from the day thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee" ( Ezekiel 28:15), is reference to the one the Bible calls, Lucifer ( Isaiah 14:12). Although, the Ezekiel reference is directly to the King of Tyrus, the wording suggests that the spirit within the king is being addressed & described. Lucifer desired to sit in God's place ( Isaiah 14:12-14), therefore he was cast out of Heaven onto the Earth.
c. And Lucifer, also called Satan (in Book of Job), was there in readiness to deform God's perfect creation (man & woman) in the Garden of Eden, that they too might become like him, filled with evil & opposing God & all that is righteous & holy ( Genesis 3:1-19).
d. Though Satan was cast to the Earth, he still has access to Heaven, even as he presented himself to God with the other angels ( Job 1:6,7) to accuse Job (even as he does us: Revelation 12:10). Satan is not chained or confined to Hell now - he roams freely to deceive the nations ( Revelation 20:3) & will make his final thrust through the coming Anti-Christ, the personification of Satan, just as King Tyrus was. But he will one day be locked up for good ( Revelation 20:7-10).
It is impossible for God to tempt us.
Satan will make you believe it is God that is doing the tempting, while he makes himself into an angel of light.
Scripture has a way of looking things out for us, so we have a better understanding of what is really going on around us.
This meeting the bible speaks of, will eventually take place in our lives in one time or another. It will be only because of the grace found in Christ that we will overcome in the time of temptation!
There is a war going on for the souls of Gods creation. It is called you and me in this Heaven and earth!
Repent and be baptized
In Job he heard God brag on Job, and such was his jealousy, he asked to prove Job false. That Job would curse God. God knew what kind of man Job was, so He allowed Satan to get at Job, but He couldn't take Jobs life.
Satan is a spy. He spies on everyone, assessing faults. He saw Job making sacrifices for his "partying children." Ahah! He thought that was Jobs weakness. He stirred up a tornado and leveled Job's kids homes, they themselves, livestock and everything!
Job staggers out to the road and collapses. Next his wife tells him to curse God and die. We don't hear from her again. Then all these so-called friends come visit Job to allege that maybe he sinned?
Jobs hair falls out, he develops boils, he's probably fasting in grief for his family.
In following chapters God comes and ministers to Job the greatness of His power over all of creation. He pushes the clouds around, owns stores of hail, snow, rain_it's just eye opening all the things that God is in control of. It taught me, that I can, in prayer, ask for favor in weather issues.
At the end of the story, God heals Job, multiplies all Job lost, back to him ten-fold.
There's a lot of wisdom in that book. First being that Satan has to ask God, to tempt us. No matter what happens. Stand firmly on the Rock, which is Jesus. He is your Shield.
Streetpreacher
May I Ask another question please?
How come there is no mention of Saran having access to Heaven in the New Testament (other than Revelation perhaps)?
In Revelation 12:10, we read that the 'accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night." So, here is another instance of Satan's access to the 'vicinity' of God, so that he might accuse those in Christ for their sins & failings.
How all this happens, we can only guess, but I feel sure that Heaven still remains free from any wickedness, because Holiness surrounds God's Throne ( Psalm 47:8; Isaiah 63:15; Psalm 93).
A friend referenced this verse indicating that when the sons of God (i.e., Job) came to present themselves before the Lord ... and Satan also came along.
Might you know where this meeting took place? Was it in Heaven?
My church buddy says that the meeting may have taken place in Heaven and that if Satan came along, then Satan has access to go to Heaven. Is this true?
In addition, she says that if Satan is present in Heaven or when he has access to Heaven, and He is evil and full of sin, then does that mean Heaven is no longer a sinless place where no evil exists?
I need to clarify this line of thinking because that's new to me.
I appreciate your time on this. Thank you, Margo
Jesus CHRIST the MESSIAH referred to the most as Son of GOD. Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Acts, Romans, Hebrews, etc.
Luke 3:38,
* Romans 8:14, * Hebrews 1:13-14,
I understand "Son's of GOD presented themselves before GOD" to mean= they prayed notice Job 1:5, "offered burnt offerings" then vrs. 6._._._ the accuser came, Revelation 12:10,
Genesis 4:26, Luke 3:38,
Exodus 34:2, Leviticus 14:11, Leviticus 16:28, 1 Samuel 10:19, Daniel 9:18, Luke 2:22, Romans 12:1, Jude 1:24-25,
In Job 23:12, it says "Neither have I gone back from the commandment of His lips, I have esteemed the words of his mouth more than my necessary food."
What really is necessary, Spiritual food, or physical food? We eat three times a day or more, plus dessert. How often do we eat spiritually and feed the soul? Very interesting!
In John 4:32, after the disciples brought physical food to Jesus, they said to Him, "Master, eat." Jesus answers and says, " I have meat to eat that ye know not of.
I don't know if you have ever experienced this before, where you are physically hungry, you are physically tired, but then in some way, shape, or form, God ministers through you to someone else, or from someone else to you, and whatever physical hunger you have or physical thirst you have, it doesn't make any difference! You forget about the physical hunger and you are no longer hungry.
The spiritual food is contentment in and of itself. You are not as hungry as you used to be or as starved as you used to be. Now what is interesting here is that remember the woman left her water pot behind.
Jesus said you just brought physical food from the city, but I have food to eat that you know not of. He ministered God's word to this woman.
was afraid of is come unto me. So both
JOHN 3
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
15
That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17
For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
On the red link page where you came in the website: is a link BECOME A CHRISTIAN. You can pray to God and He will hear you. Your name will be recorded in the Book of Life.
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So, I cannot vouch with any certainty about the number of angels but my sense is that it would have been a great company of them, not just a dozen or so. And then of course, if the fallen angels were kept in everlasting chains awaiting Judgement Day, does the demonic activity of old & present days, represent the spirits of those angels? It's hard to have certainty & form conclusions.
I need one more clarification , Jude 1:6 says it was chained and locked untill the judement day. I just want to know howmany highrank angels are fallen from the kingdom of heaven and trouble to our mankind.
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a. When God created all things in Heaven (He Himself being un-created), all heavenly beings, etc. were created in eternity past. This was before the creation of the worlds, of man & of other things for the Earth. In Heaven, God created beings such as cherubs, seraphs, beasts, etc., which all had a particular function before God & which constantly worshipped Him ( Ezekiel 10:1-22; Isaiah 6:1-8).
b. One cherub, which was "perfect in thy ways from the day thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee" ( Ezekiel 28:15), is reference to the one the Bible calls, Lucifer ( Isaiah 14:12). Although, the Ezekiel reference is directly to the King of Tyrus, the wording suggests that the spirit within the king is being addressed & described. Lucifer desired to sit in God's place ( Isaiah 14:12-14), therefore he was cast out of Heaven onto the Earth.
c. And Lucifer, also called Satan (in Book of Job), was there in readiness to deform God's perfect creation (man & woman) in the Garden of Eden, that they too might become like him, filled with evil & opposing God & all that is righteous & holy ( Genesis 3:1-19).
d. Though Satan was cast to the Earth, he still has access to Heaven, even as he presented himself to God with the other angels ( Job 1:6,7) to accuse Job (even as he does us: Revelation 12:10). Satan is not chained or confined to Hell now - he roams freely to deceive the nations ( Revelation 20:3) & will make his final thrust through the coming Anti-Christ, the personification of Satan, just as King Tyrus was. But he will one day be locked up for good ( Revelation 20:7-10).
Before created world satan was not in the heaven ,he was pushed from heaven to down. there is no place for satan in the king dom of heaven.