Job Chapter 17 Discussion

Dear Neville.

There are many different beliefs amongs christians about the Baptism of the Holly Spirit.

The ones i am aware of are the following.

1. When one believes in Jesus.

2. When one is born again by God.

3. When one is baptised in water.

4. When one asks God for receiving the Holly Spirit.

and maybe 5. When a minister lays hands on a believer. For some this can be included in case no. 4.

It is a topic we should talk about sometime here on this site.

Romans 8:9

"Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his"

Acts 8:15-17 seems to suggest that it is possible

to believe and not have the Spirit?

So how does one:

a.determine whether this critical status has been achieved?

b.And if it is pending, what is the mechanism for the attainment of that status?

To whom it may concern,

Why does the KJV translate the last half of Job 17:6 in the past tense, but, other translations in the present?

If you use the past tense, then, Job is referring to how the people previously viewed and treated him.

If you use the present tense, then, it seems that Job is referring to how they treat him now.

Which is correct?

Thank you.

Amadeus, I don't believe that Job 17:12 actually says that, with due regard to your Father's understanding. When I study that verse, indeed the book of Job, I see a suffering man in every sense of the word. And to add insult to injury, his 'friends' often gave him atrocious advice & were of little comfort to him.

So this verse is a small part of Job's appointment to continual suffering. In verse 11, he dismayed about the days given to him, even his thoughts & ambitions for the future, were in pieces. So in verse 12, I believe he intimates that his 'friends' added to his troubling thoughts, that kept him up all night ("turned night into day"), even his daylight hours were like darkness because of the darkness in his mind ("light is short because of darkness."). Then as you read on, his hopelessness is exacerbated, as he thinks of his nearness to death.

If I should use a verse to describe what you've said, I could refer you to Proverbs 6:6-11. These verses speak about the Sluggard whose laziness takes him through the night into the next day, thereby assuring him of poverty. The Ant is cited as a creature that has more sense & work ethic than a lazy man. But if you're seeking a Scripture for people who need to stay up at night (e.g. medical staff, security, warehousing, etc.), then there is nothing in the Word, nor is there anything to suggest that reversing the order (i.e. sleep in the day & be awake at night) is wrong. Sometimes, this is necessary.

I'm retired; worked 46 years. I sleep when I need to. Past months I've been child sitting for free. As soon as I can, I come here. You make time for need to's and time for love to's. I've had a theory for years that if you sit too much, your backside rebels and moves to the frontside. Also if you listen to Psalms music you won't need chemicals to relax.

The only reason to watch Dr Phil is to see how much family's lose by not following Jesus. Jesus will fill in all the cracks and holes and set you on your feet. If home is a war zone, get your own place. I'm famous for pinching pennies till they cry. You can do it. Give your time to God and He will bless you abundantly. I pray right now that Jesus would love you and make himself real and approachable to YOU! Amen

My father quotes Job 17:12 quite often, citing that it refers to people who stay up at night and sleep during the day, thereby reversing the normal order of things (sleep during the night, awake during the day), insinuating that somehow tampering with this order is "wrong".

How can we accurately understand the true meaning of this verse in its proper context?

Being in service to the Lord won't always be filled with happy days. Job suffered so greatly and lost all his friends to the Lord's cause. Of course, it was all according to His plan. Job lost people that didn't really believe in him and ended up mocking him. Nevertheless Job is human, and we struggle to hold out our faith in God because of the trials we're put through, and that's okay. It's okay to doubt as long as we still remain on our course.

This tells us that as humans, we have our weakness is times of trail, we are bound to feel down and out, but we should find encouragement in the Lordship of God almight, that He knows all things. Thanks to the encouragements and reprove from the Good friends he kept.

Job was suffering through a terrible calamity brought upon him; he thought that by serving God and live a righteous life both him and his family would be saved. when all the catastrophe happened to him, he begin to feel wretched and so he turns everything that 's happened to him onto himself, cursing himself and the day that he was born. Throughout all this, he still revered God, still trust him.

I think it is very similar to Philippians 1:6. A true believer who knows that he is eternally secure realizes that no matter what takes place in his life that includes good things and will certainly include bad and tragic things, the Holy Spirit will continue to work in his life to conform him to the image of Jesus Christ.

Job 17:9,Simple means he who is righteous and having clean hands is always confident in the midst challenges and difficulties because his heart is at peace. He has the assurance that Jesus is the anchor of his/her hope so nothing absolutely nothing can move him. He is focus in life and always abide in the perfect will of God. Keeps moving forward despite the obstacles and setbacks

When you hold to your faith in jesus christ you sure of a surety