John Chapter 10 Discussion Page 3

John 10:29 in the KJB refers to..."my Father who gave them me..." yet, in the NIV it says..."my Father who gave them to me..."

Which is the correct translation...gave them me...or, gave them to me?

Sadly, No. Her heart was still there in Sodom, in spite of the wickedness of that city. She might have physically turned around, but her heart was already on the way back to be at her home, with her people & her friends. But if you're thinking whether her spirit would still be saved in the day of reckoning, that remains in God's domain of judgement. It would be like the coming time of Great Tribulation, a Day of God's Wrath on disobedient mankind: the chance to escape will not be the passion of most, preferring the desire of the flesh & of life itself, rather than desiring the salvation of God.

Yes,lot's wife was not saved was she?

Why do people say they want you then lie cheat and not tell him truth he don't thank someone don't care I beleave people helping people and it's not my turn to help why won't my friend tell me facts yesterday they say over and lied

Jesus is the Son of God in the flesh with the power of God , yet not the One God that is Father and creator of all , Jesus called him father too .

Spare me your delusions please .

Amen, Amen

Jesus is God. 1 John 5:7

"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."

There are not 3 gods. He ( God lowered himself a little lower than the angels) read Hebrews all of Hebrews.

He took on the seed of Abraham Hebrews 2:6 Jesus came to die for the lost sheep of the house of Israel. I could say so much on this subject. Speaking of the fallen angels & the devil : 1 Corinthians 2:8

"Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory."

King James Version (KJV)

John chapter 10 ..

No man took his life he lay it down

Jesus IS God..

there shall be one fold, and one shepherd. 17Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. 18No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father. 19There was a division therefore again among the Jews for these sayings. 20And many of them said, He hath a devil, and is mad; why hear ye him? 21Others said, These are not the words of him that hath a devil. Can a devil open the eyes of the blind?

When we say that Jesus is God, we understand that He is that part of the Godhead that constitutes God's complete Being & now revealed to us. So yes, Jesus is God, just as God Himself & His Holy Spirit are equally the One God. We read in John 1:1 & following verses, that the Word was with God & was God. And this Word (that which proceeds from God's Mouth) which was also His Word in forming all of creation, God chose to give a Body of flesh. So we have what is referred to as the 'Incarnation' = when God's Word was given a Body so that God could fully accomplish His Plan for redeeming mankind from sin unto Himself. If this did not happen, all races of people would be eternally gripped by sin's power & face a certain eternity in Hell. But God stepped into our humanity for the purpose of being our Sacrifice for the sins we should have been penalized & suffer for.

If this concept of the 'Trinity' (i.e. God is One but is seen in His Three Beings) is difficult to comprehend & none of us can fully take it in anyway because we don't naturally think or live at that level, then we can use a simple but weak illustration. As you know, we are composed of three aspects to our being: that which is seen (the body) & that which is unseen (the soul & spirit). The body will age & deteriorate, whereas the immaterial part of us doesn't, & is accountable to God & will return to God. Now, if we remove any one of those three parts of us, we cease to be human in the normal acceptance of our being. So too would God be, if any being of His Deity was excluded, i.e. He wouldn't be the God of the Universe & indeed the God of Love & Mercy that He is to us.

So, Jesus in His Divinity as part of the Godhead, is now referred to as the Son of God, by virtue of His Incarnation ( Luke 1:35). He's still God, but now as God the Father's resurrected Son after paying the price of our sins, & seated at the place of power, at God's right Hand. Jesus completed His Work on Earth but His Spirit works on in us.

Yes, hes god manifested in the flesh

is Jesus god?

No, there is no other place in the Bible, but verse 26, is a prelude of the future of those who reject Christ.

John Chapter 10

8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.

9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.

10 THE Thief (SATAN) cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy:

I am (JESUS) come that they might have life, and that they might have [it] more abundantly.

11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.

Comment: the sheep are the human believers that Follow Jesus. Read Psalm 23.

In the Bible is there another place where it say the day I will come to steal kill and destroy all the beef come to see a kill and destroy

No problem. As Adam left you a link to a page. When you are in the KJV 1611 section, click up at top of this page, use the index finder to the right. When you put in the book and chapter you want to look at. Then click the red arrow. It will come up in text. Scroll down a little and you will see the picture of the page to the right. Click on it and your in. Click on it again and it gets even bigger. Have fun!

Hi Mike,

The 1611 KJV is literally from 1611 A.D. the very first printing of it and it shows the actual scans of it, so you can compare and figure out anything that has changed. Of course the meaning hasn't changed, but the English language has actually changed a lot in 400 years, so it the KJV was adjusted to match the current language.

Link

You can do a parallel view of each chapter to see the differences:

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Thank you again for your reply, you said you have every page photographed. I am having trouble finding these page photos. I found images of the bible but how do I look up 1st peter kjv page photos for and example?

Hello Mike,

Hopefully I can help with a couple of your questions. The KJV is the best, oldest, version of the Bible we have. One thing that is quiet awesome of this site is when you look in the 1611 KJV section. They have every single page photographed, and posted here, of an original 1611 KJV Bible. Very cool. Many of the newer versions have had things removed and words changed. As the KJV is the oldest English Bible. So with just a couple of the verses you have. In Luke 19:23 the word they made "bank" was the original Greek word "trapeza" transliterated from Greek. This word means "a table or stool" or "a table or stand of a money changer to count money". The word is used thirteen times, in the New Testament, for "table" and just once for "bank". Seems ok instead of saying maybe "my money onto the money changers table". The other one is Isaiah 11:6. It has always been "wolf also shall dwell with the lamb". As you have "the young lion and the fatling together" in the same verse. Along with "the lion shall eat straw like the ox" in the next verse. The lion and the lamb thing was actually started in a song way back and got popular. Spreading but it was always "wolf also shall dwell with the lamb".

Hope that helps some. God Bless.

Some words that I see, I run through THIS websites SEARCH BOX to see if the search engine has that word in it.

If the word your looking up doesn't fetch some scriptures, then it's not in the KJV. The website will ask if you want to google search? It will offer scriptures it thinks will help you find the word you are searching:

Similar but not the same.

Don't be afraid to search around and see what all this website can help you with in your studies.

The Commentaries are within the Search Box. Click/touch your scripture. It will turn yellow. Scroll downward and there you can read the Commentary by a scholar.

If you get "lost". Just back arrow out or go out and come back in again.

Mishael

Thank you for your reply. The reason I ask is that in mark 2:22 says no one puts new wine in old bottles wasn't always wine skins? Also in luke 19:23 uses the word bank "Wherefore then gavest not thou my money into the bank, that at my coming I might have required mine own with usury" Did they have banks when they translated 1611 kjv? Also in Isaiah 11:6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, wasn't it always "the lion shall down with the lamb? And the our father prayer in Luke 11:2, now says "Our Father which art in heaven" wasn't it always "our father WHO art in heaven"? I have many more discrepancies.

2 Timothy 2:22-26

Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart.

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But foolish and unlearned questions AVOID, knowing that they do gender (cause) STRIFES.

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And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,

25

In meekness instructing those that OPPOSE themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;

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And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the DEVIL, who are taken captive by him at his will.

2 Timothy 3:5

Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

2 Timothy 4:3-4

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

I STRONGLY SUGGEST WE DO NOT ARGUE ABOUT THE GODHEAD

Genesis 1:1, 1:26, 3:22, 11:7

Isaiah 6:8

Romans 1:20

Colossians 2:9

Acts 17:27-30

1 John 5:7

John 10:30

There is only 10 scriptures Proving it.

Mishael

God bless you brother Mike

This site's Bibles are exactly what they say they are as far as I understand.

But of course there is no perfect translation if that is what you are after. The truth-teacher is the Holy Spirit. Get the Holy Spirit, everything else is secondary.

Love in Christ

The KJV or King James Bible is The most accurately translated Bible. The NIV and others have changed many words to be "easier understood." They use more common and modern language. One must also understand that, in translation, different languages may not share the same words. Therefore, the most accurate and appropriate words were used during translation.

I urge you to do some research on Google about how the KJV and 1611 came to translation so you will have a better understanding! I did the same and without any doubt prefer the King James over any other.

Hope that helps to answer your question.

Well written Charley - great Scriptures.

Is this kjv bible and specifically 1611 version any way revised wording to match current times or is this exactly how the actual physical bible reads?

Isaiah a virgin shall conceive and bear a son and shall call him immanuel

which means god with us. isaiah 7-14. isaiah 9-6 for unto you

a child is born unto you a son is given and the government

shall be upon his shoulder;and his name shall be called wonderful

counselor the mighty god the everlasting father the prince of

prince. he is god rob you have been deceived sir, john 20-27-28

doubting thomas reached out and said to jesus my lord and my

god, so i guess thomas was wrong, you have been decived by some

cult. john 10-30 i and my father are one. then they wanted to stone

my lord jesus, please tell me why?i know because he said he was

god equilto the godhead, you have been deceived rob. one more

steven being stoned. knelt down saying lord jesus receive my

spirit acts 7-59 i leave you with this every jnee shall bow and every

tongue will confess jesus christ as lord, or hell will be your ruin

you probably do not even believe in a literal hell but it is real.

i beg you to repent from your error it is a fearful thing to fall

in the hands of an angry god. heb 10-31

Thanks Rob - I see where you're coming from. I've tried my hardest to get you to give some explanation to some of these other verses that speak more of Jesus, God's Son, but you have refrained & instead gave me the answer: "There are those that are ever learning but not able to come to the truth." Well, we are ever learning but we do have Truth, & increasing we trust, to hold onto, but it would be awful to be in a position of rejecting other Scriptures so that a particular belief can be supported. I won't bother you again - thank you for your time Rob. Blessings.

It does say in the New Testament

There are those that are ever learning but not able to come to the truth .

What is the truth ? Exactly what God said . How simple can it be ? You hear it believe it receive it , keep it . Amen .

That's an interesting explanation you've given: "No matter what other scriptures you may read you can not change this truth or alter it. It's unchangeable just like God is unchangeable. So you use the light of this truth to understand more truth. If you add to the truth it becomes a lie."

So we have Mt 14:33, "Of a truth thou art the Son of God." And Luke 1:32, "be called the Son of the Highest."

According to your understanding, using these verses to the exclusion of any other verse that could add to the understanding that Jesus is the Christ, the One born of God & called the Son of God, we would have to overlook portions such as John 1:1-14 as 'secondary' & unworthy for inclusion into the primary meaning & understanding of Jesus Christ. So if you consider the John 1 portion as changing or altering the Truth about the Son of God, then how do you arrive at that conclusion? And if it indeed does so, & we thereby do disservice to the Word by including it with God's Son, then I ask, what do we actually do with such Scriptures? Could this Word of God, both very God & with God & then becoming flesh to dwell on the Earth, not actually pertain to Jesus? Then to whom & how are we to read this & understand this? I've tried looking at with all the possibilities I can, but still it hits me as I read it. Even if I don't understand how this can happen, do I have to conclude that this portion has some other meaning?

Using your Romans 6:23 example: "For the wages of sin is death" as all we need to know about this Truth. So if I then read Isaiah 59:2, telling me that my iniquities have separated me from God only, but not consigned me to death, I would be perplexed.

Or Mark 9:43-47: for me to escape hell fire for my sins, all I have to do is to remove my hand or eye or foot that consigns me to hell. Rather, to help me understand further that my sins result in death (both physically & spiritually), it helps to know that I'm separated & also to deal with the trigger for my sin.

Sorry to hear your twisted interpretations.



Read 1 John ch 4 and 5 very carefully and you will learn why I dis agree with you .

1john 4 v 15 is enough in its self but so much more !

One explanation for how to read the scriptures is like this .

If you truly hear and understand a truth like ( the wages of sin is death ) for example . Then it's absolutely unchanging. Gods word endures for ever never changes Just like God never changes .

So no matter what other scriptures you may read you can not change this truth or alter it . It's unchangeable just like God is unchangeable .

So you use the light of this truth to understand more truth . If you add to the truth it becomes a lie . That's how Satan works he says hath God said ? And adds more to what God clearly said .

Often I see people changing truth , because they never heard it correctly to begin with .

Jesus said to him that hears shall be given more .

It's all about having ears to hear what God says .

This is child like faith in trusting the word of God because Gods understanding is in searchable and infinite. The spirit of truth is spiritual , and wicked people will never understand.

The real issue today is all the false doctrines and interpretations that have had many years to deceive people

One of my most earnest prayers have been don't let me be deceived, as Jesus said in Matthew 24 , beware lest any man deceive you . I do believe what he said . I'm not deceived ether . He answers my prayers .