John Chapter 14 Discussion Page 15

some times we getso caught up in a doctorine that we mar our fellowship with one another. the truth of the matter is that John the Baptist minerstry died with him.He himself said I must decrease that he may increase. st john 4 3 tho Jesus himself baptized not,but his disciple. Jesus never baptized a man into water. His baptism was spiritual baptism that he would perform unto men after his resurrection.So then water baptism now is kind of circumcision of the heartand as circumcision is fleshly so is a water baptism since it is performed by a man but the HOLY SPIRIT CIRCUMcise the heart. Jesus never toold any one to take the thief of his cross and baptism him, but said directly to the thief,this day thou shall be with me in paradise.

Oops Ar..I didn 't realize it did an At..lol... Amen Ar ...I am in agreement with you.! The word of God says the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing , but to those of us who are being SAVED it is the power of God!! So since the bible clearly states it is the power of God...it is not possible to be saved by participating in any fleshly desire..the gospel is a simple message of faith. I agree with you Ar people try to make the message of salvation complicated. God 's word also says that the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God...He has more wisdom than man and with God all things are possible!!

Amen...Thanks At...I appreciate your thoughts! Again as Mrs Robinson states she believes we have to follow some ritualistic law, formula, extra work to be saved... God is not impressed from our movements. He is not concerned about our outward freshly desires, He looks and sees our hearts...The word says for flesh and blood can 't enter the kingdom of heaven...we enter the kingdom only when we have been born again... if we are born ONCE we will die twice, if we are born twice we will die ONCE! Meaning of course born by the Holy Spirit who comes into our hearts at the moment we place our trust and faith in Him for salvation! Mrs Robinson sounds to me like you are hung on several wrong interpretations, no where have I ever read, no where does it say in God 's word we are to follow any formula to be saved...only to place FAITH in Jesus for the work in His death and resurrection! The word of God says, without faith it is impossible to please God..and those that come to Him must believe He is who He says He is, and He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him...

I would like to add one more comment. If a thief today does not repent and change his wicked ways and does not follow Acts 2 38 and he dies still in the sin of thievery he is not going to heaven. Deuteronomy 25 16 For all that do such things, and all that do unrighteously, are an abomination unto the LORD thy God. In the scriptures you will further find more things that God hat. 1 Corinthians 6 9 10 Know ye not that unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. These are just a few of many sins and things that God does not like.

Hello Ar I believe that those who died before the day of Pentecost that followed the Law were saved. When Jesus died on the cross the graves opened up and people saw the saints which had died arise from their sleep and walk into the holy city, Matthew 27 52 53. However, now that the dispensation of grace is into play the salvation plan is Acts 2 38. When you refer to John the Baptist and his baptism, this is why God had Luke write in Acts 19 1 thru 7 about the 12 men that Paul encountered that were baptized unto John s baptism and they had to be rebaptized under the name of our Lord Jesus Christ and then they were filled with the Holy Ghost and now those 12 men are saved. If I can say it like this, Jesus did not forget about them. He looked into their hearts and sent the true preacher to them to tell them about the salvation plan. They accepted it and God fulfilled his promise that Peter spoke about on the day of Pentecost. These men lived during the Law, were baptized unto John s baptism, and because they now lived under the new age of grace, God allowed Paul to teach them and bring them into a better way. This is what John stated himself while in the wilderness. He stated that we should not believe on him but on him that come after him. The answer is our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

To Mrs Robinson 's remark of 10 24 2014 John the Baptist was baptizing in water those who repented their sins. Or don 't you even accept John the Baptist as "Jesus only " believer???? I am sure some people died between their water baptism.....before the Pentecost. Are they condemned to eternal death?

There is no death bed salvation. John 3 5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God . Now that we are under the Dispensation of Grace, you have to have the correct water baptism and the spirit of the Holy Ghost or you will not enter into the kingdom of God. This is a hard pill to swallow, but if a person under this Grace Age do not get saved according to Acts 2 38 they will not go to heaven. There is no praying them out of purgatory. There is no purgatory. There is no praying them into heaven from the coffin. These are facts. I did not write the Bible I am merely stating what is in it.

Hi Jane ! I was so blessed from your comment that I had to respond to it. God reveals His truth to genuine hearts who are searching for it.Many people have accepted the Lord on their death beds a few days before their death and couldn 't be baptized . These people are in Heaven now. Our Savior gives everybody the same chance until the last breath. He is full of love and righteousness. God bless you and every one who believes and accepts the Truth without complicating it. The Word was written by simple people with the guidance of the Holy Spirit. We people make it complicated for no reason.

Hello Jane Doe I would like to chime in. We can deduce that he was not baptized. If I can say it like this, the reason why the thief did not have to be baptized is because before Jesus laid down his life on the cross or died, the law was still in place. It was not until the Holy Ghost fell on the day of Pentecost that the Grace Age and the church of began. Paul speaks about it to the Ephesian Church who is already saved, Ephesians 3 2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you ward . I have not stated anything that was not fact. The scriptures speak for themselves. I hope and pray that God will remove the coverings off of your eyes so that you may see that there is only One God and his name is Jesus Christ. The thief showed faith in Jesus Christ. Now we must not only show faith, but belief that he is God manifested in the flesh, and that we must follow Acts 2 38. There is only one Lord, one faith, and one baptism.

In response to Ar... thank you! You know I am very blessed ! I 'm blessed in the truth of God 's word...I 'm blessed that God reveals His truth to us and protects us from those who wish to distort and deceive the truth of who He really is. I don 't know about you Ar..but I 'm sure you can agree that thank you Jesus we are under grace and not under the law! For we are saved through FAITH,and this is not from yourselves, it is God 's gift not from works so that no one can boast.! We know that Abraham believed God and it was accounted unto him for righteousness..no amount of following a law can save..when Jesus was on the cross and was between the 2 crooks one of them repented the other did not...The one that repented said to Jesus,LORD remember me when you come into your kingdom...Jesus replied, today you will be with me in paradise... the crook was not baptized before he died ,and yet Jesus said he would be with Him in paradise! Romans 10 6 10the message is near you,in your mouth and in your heart. This is the message of FAITH that we proclaim if you confess with your mouth ,Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. With the heart one believes,resulting in righteousness,and with the mouth one confesses, resulting in salvation. Which is exactly what the thief on the cross did..

Hello Ar and Jane Once again remember you quoted the scripture, but the very last part of that scripture states that all three are one. This is the truth in which we hold dear. Jesus Christ is God manifested in the flesh. This same John that wrote the Book of St. John wrote these three epistle as well. He states who the Word, that the Word was in the beginning, and that the Word was made flesh, but more importantly he states that the Word was God. The Word name is Jesus Christ.

to Jane Doe 's chapter 14 remark True Jane, three bear record in Heaven Father, Son and the Holy Ghost as 1 John chapter 3 verses 5 to 7 state. Bless you

Hello Jane Doe Did you happen to pay attention to the very last part of that scripture? It states that "...and these three are one ". This means that people should not worship three Gods, but know that there is one God holding all three positions and that his name is Jesus Christ. Usually when people say the word trinity, they are referring to three different beings in the Godhead bodily. However, the scripture states that in him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily. Jesus Christ does not dwell in the Godhead bodily as an individual being. But in him dwells the fullness of the Godhead Bodily, Colossians 2 9. Jesus Christ is God manifested in the flesh, 1 Timothy 3 16.

1st John 5 7 For there are 3 that bear record IN heaven, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, and these 3 are one! Evident this is speaking of the TRINITY

Part 2 of 2 Tell me what do you think is wrong? The Bible is the true word of God. Jesus is both Lord and Christ. On the day of Pentecost the question was asked about what to do. Peter answered and told them what it would take to be saved. The promise is to them which were the Jews, to their children, and to all that are afar off even as many as the LORD our God shall call. This means the rest of us that are not Jews. This is not an interpretation. A question was asked and an answer was given. I hope that if you are not saved that you get saved and stay saved. I am not ashamed of the gospel of Jesus Christ. Amen.

Part 1 of 2 Hello Willie Jernagin I know that I am right according to the scriptures. I have experienced Acts 2 38. It is through the Grace of God that I am saved. I am glad that God chose me. After you get saved we are supposed to go and inform people of this good news. We are truly living in the last days. It is going to rain fire this time. There is first going to be a tribulation period. When Noah preached that it was going to rain, no one believed him. In the end, only 8 souls were saved. There are a lot more that believe today than back then, but then you have some who still do not believe. This is a very sad situation.

I for one believe a lot of you are getting off wrong with the word of God, so you have to be careful in your interpreting the scripture. The word of God is so unique in that it explains what JESUS is talking about, also, God 's Holy Spirit can give the meaning of what John 14 2 means. I will not give you my opinion, about the word of God. I will say this was grace in the old testament or was just the law and the promise 's of God. You see God can just about do as He please, even when we do not understand how He does what He does. Shalom

As i wake this morning with a lot of trouble in my heart, the holy spirit gave this scripture to me and i tell you it is an eye opener. Thank master Jesus.

I want to correct Ar on the baptism. Jesus stated it, Peter clarified what Jesus meant on the day of Pentecost with Acts 2 38 and the Apostles carried the message. The Book of Acts is the beginning of the church age. You cannot find anywhere in the Book of Acts where when someone was baptized the preacher or Apostle called out over them Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. You will however find where the Apostle or preacher called out the name of the Lord Jesus for their remission of sins. The bible states out of the mouth of two or three a witness is established. Know that Jesus witness to what he was saying, not that he needed it, is from Peter on the day of Pentecost. Please do not be fooled Acts 2 38 is the correct salvation plan to get into heaven. If you do not have this you will not make it in when the rapture takes place.

Hello Ar It is not by chance that I am on this website teaching the way I am. God truly is trying to give people a chance and correct a lot of things that have been taught incorrectly. Hebrews 3 15 While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation . As a representative in God s ministry I am given charge in spreading the true Word of God. 1 John 5 7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost and these three are one. There is only one God that holds all of these three offices. They are one being. The true Holy Ghost does not kick against the Word of God. I would rather have 101 baptisms having the correct one and make it into Heaven than to have 100 baptisms, none of which is correct, and wind up going to hell. The scales have not fallen from your eyes and I hope and pray that God will truly help you.

Comment on John Chapter 14 Yes, Miss Robinson. I speak in tongues and pray in my language as well, and I pray to my Father through Jesus Christ who is the only way to Father and I pray in Spirit I am baptized in water just as Jesus said in Mathhew 28 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost That s the correct way to be baptized Thanks and bye

Hello Lois In addition to my response to your comment, which I hope comes out today or tomorrow it was rather long, I am Mrs. Robinson. You can call me what you wish. My feelings are not hurt at all. I will stand firmly on the true Word of God with the help of the power Jesus Christ that is in me. I want to see as many people saved and sanctified as many as God will call.

Hello Lois The reason why I stated you must have this is because on the day of Pentecost there were about 120 men and women in that upper room that were filled with the Holy Ghost. On that day when they asked Peter what to do. He gave them the answer Acts 2 38. In Acts 2 39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call . This is for everyone. There is no limitation on date or time, or people. This is God s plan of salvation. If this was not important then why were there added about three thousand souls that day? If it was not important or true why did God send Peter to Cornelius house? If it was not important, especially that baptism, why did God send Paul to those 12 men to get them rebaptized the correct way. Jesus said out of his own mouth and John recorded it John 10 30 I and my father are one . I did not make this up you are reading the scriptures. How much plainer can the scriptures be when 1 Timothy 3 16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory . Who do you all think this scripture is talking about? Who was in the flesh? The answer is Jesus Christ. I hope and pray that God will open up your understanding to the real truth before it is too late. I would hate to see you left here when the rapture takes place.

Hello Ar and Lois Are you filled with the Holy Ghost and speak in other tongues as the spirit of God give utterance? Have you been baptized with the preacher calling the Lord Jesus Christ over you for the remission of your sins according to Acts 2 38.

Once again Miss Robinson...I stand on the word God I will not waiver what I know to be true.. just because you say it is not true...does not mean it is true...because you are a human just as I am.. as I posted from a website read what this Jesus Only group teaches is not biblical what you are interpreting makes no sense. You say people must follow this that do this or that to be saved...you claim people must do this or do that when they are baptized or they are doing it the wrong way?? I do not see in Gods word where it says we must do this or must do that to be completely saved... Ephesians 2 8 9 says this "8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast So salvation is Gods gift to us so we can not brag that we did anything to be saved... You say there is only one God who holds all three offices or titles...now can you show me in scripture where it says this word for word?? John chapter 14 26 But the Counselor, The Holy Spirit, the Father God, will send Him, who is Him? the Holy Spirit, in My name, whose name Jesus..I know whom I know whom I worship...I will not deny my Jesus, God the Holy Spirit ..I stand my ground.. 3 distinct persons..in the Godhead...good bye..

Let me make one correction we believe in the Apostles doctrine. It is not our word but God 's Word.

Hello Ar I have studied and I will continue to study because the Word of God is the living Word of God. It is always revealing something each time you read it. See the Bible states in 2 Timothy2 15 Study to shew, thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth . I am also not ashamed when I teach. See having the true Holy Ghost, speaking in other tongues as the spirit give utterance, I know that what I am saying is real and the truth. See it is important that you have him on the inside of you. I have studied and received my certificate and my minister s license under the Aenon Bible College which is owned and operated by the Pentecostal Assemblies of the World.

I would like to make something very clear. We are not hidden. This is why I am on this website. If I had the money I would be on television and radio if they would let me speaking and teaching the oneness of Jesus Christ and the salvation plan according to Acts 2 38.

I want to make a correction concerning the comment about pray to the father, pray to the son, and talk with the Holy Ghost. What I was trying to say is that when you pray you see three individuals that you can pray to. However, there is just one being who holds all three offices. When I pray I know that I am praying to one being who holds all three positions and his name is Jesus Christ.

Hello Lois and Ar, I have answered all of your questions and comments. Let me ask the following questions to the both of you. According to John Chapter 1 and 1 Timothy 3 16, Do you believe that Jesus Christ is God manifested in the flesh? Do you believe that he is one being that holds all three offices but there is only one of Him? Or do you believe that their is three sanctioned beings?