John Chapter 14 Discussion Page 3

Different people come in here at different times. It's all free to whosoever will. Myself, I may be deep studying for days. I get inside my closet, under the clothes and pray, some days. Once I found out what a blessing it is to be shut up with the Holy Spirit; you couldn't get me out of there.

I'm a career single, so I can be attentive to the Lords time. I made that choice and I'm happy with it. If that makes me weird, so be it. I guess I kinda know how John (the Baptist) felt. I don't eat grasshoppers but I do fast regularly. It's because I'm busy, involved in what the Lord is doing.

Not everyone is retired as I am. They're working jobs, got children and grandchildren; lawns to mow, honey-do's, to do.

The only thing I have trouble doing, is spending time in front of the TV. If I do, I pray that He will help me see the stories He wants me to see.

I come in here to answer questions. Your questions and concerns fill my prayer time every day. It is my pleasure to try and be helpful.

All our teachers, preachers, prophetically gifted, pastors who are gifted to care for sheep and carry the lambs in prayer, are ALL NEEDED. WE ARE THE BODY OF CHRIST :)

His eyes, ears, hands, feet to carry the Gospel, knees to bend in Prayer; and so much more.

We need every member doing what The Holy Spirit has carefully gifted us for. God bless all those that give of their wealth to the poor. By wealth, that can mean many things.

The one thing I'm sure of is that if we get puffed up over our greatness, that the Holy Spirit will let us know. That's how we know we are Beloved Children of God.

We are only as great as our Praise and Worship TO GOD is. It frees us in the spirit. It's not a chore. It's a privilege.

Psalm 136 is a song of worship and praise to show us how. I modify it sometimes to fit my own life and times when I knew God was helping me. We need to remember the past, present and future.

Let's love people like Jesus did, does.

Mishael

Earl I agree with everything you stated.God Bless It Is Written

Sir I never stated or implied more in quality when sharing that subject matter, whats interesting to me on this site is what gets replied to and what doesn't. But there again that's par for the course.

P.S. I don't consider on this website anybody intruding, just additional input to consider.I don't take it personally but on the word I want to take it to heart. God Bless

Brother I agree all the miracles are in the category of the senses it is spirit power that enables the ability. Forgive me if I'm not understanding you correctly. We see the effect of the operation of the God given ability but not the source, that's the manifestation of Pneuma Hagion or Holy Spirit. God Bless

Sister Dianne, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

I'm intruding into your's and S Spencer's discussion:

I BELIEVE Jesus (first coming in the flesh) and his apostles were given power to perform miracles that could be seen in the flesh. Raising the dead, making the blind see, the deaf hear, the lame walk.

FIRST the natural (seen), then (second) the SPIRITUAL (unseen):

I BELIEVE Jesus (the second coming in the HOLY SPIRIT) in his SAINTS, are given this same power; but the Spirit performing these miracles through the labour of his SAINTS, CANNOT be seen. Raising the dead (in trespasses and making them alive in Christ, making the blind see, the deaf hear, the lame walk.

Same POWER, SAME MIRACLE, one can be seen (in flesh), the other can't be seen (in Spirit).

Food for thought, the Spirit reveals.

Brother Spencer,

Your statement on John 14:12 was perfect, Amen!

Verily, verily, I say unto you, and any time we see the words "verily, verily, it means establishment of a spiritual truth. He that believeth on me, literally INTO ME, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.



The term "greater," because there's many different views as to what greater means, and a lot of people want it mean greater works in that you will do more than what Jesus did. It is called the genitive of quantity, not genitive of quality because there is no such thing. It is called the genitive of quantity.



In other words, more greater works in the sense of there will be more of them because God at that time was limited and located in the person of Jesus Christ, but when Jesus leaves and sends His Spirit, His Spirit will now indwell all of His people.



And Jesus will be working through His people, thousands, millions of them all over the world, genitive of quantity.

S Spencer This is not to disagree my question is do you believe that what Jesus Christ said there was just for the disciples only or for anyone who believes in Him after receiving The Gift of Holy Spirit from God.

Rejoice.

Let's take it from verse 10,

And I will share what I believe verse 12 means.

In verses 10 and 11 Here Jesus says he's in the Father and the Father is in him, And Jesus contribute the work to the Father,

In verse 12 The work that Jesus does and the greater here mentioned here is not greater in quality, It's greater in volume.

That's why Jesus said

BECAUSE I GO UNTO MY FATHER.

Jesus had to go to the Father before he sent the Holyspirit to dwell in them.

Luke 24:49. And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, UNTIL YE BE ENDUED WITH POWER FROM ON HIGH.

That power was the Holyspirit and the Apostles ministered with that Power on display to the World.

John 14:10-12. Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but THE FATHER THAT DWELLETH IN ME, HE DOETH THE WORKS.

11: Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.

12: Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, THE WORKS THAT I DO SHALL HE DO ALSO; and GREATER WORKS THAN THESE SHALL HE DO; BECAUSE I GO UNTO MY FATHER.

God bless.

In John 14 Jesus Christ is sharing the things that will become and now are available when an individual confesse Romans 10:9+10 and believes it in their hearts and does the will of God which is His Word, His Spirit takes up resident LITERALLY in our bodies and He begins to make the way He operates and wants you to do known. The more you walk the more He makes known. The real mind blower is verse 12 and this guy raised the dead, and He said us who believe will do greater works than he did. Now we can believe it or not.

I don't understand verse21 of the scripture

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Hi Nwachukwu.

When you click on Bible Discussion there is a section where it says Discussions by Book/Chapter. All available on this site.

However one can get confused and lost going through such material being that there is diverse opinions of what's behind written.

Once you have given yourself to the Lord let your source of understanding come from the Lord's word and prayer to get on a solid foundation.

I would suggest using the king James Bible, A good concordance, and Bible dictionary.

Then use the site to perhaps gather thoughts of others.

REMEMBER THAT FOUNDATION IS VERY IMPORTANT!! "God's Word and you trusting and feeding on it!!".

Please stay in touch daily if need be.

God bless.

Greetings.

Kindly update me daily with bible chapters and verses and their narratives to build and encourage me for the work of the master.

You may wish to start from Genesis to revelation.

Thank you.

Your brother

I was just thinking, where I would be without the knowledge and faith found in the hope of Jesus Christ! The deceitfulness of man, including the church, government, not unlike the time before the fall of Rome!

My immediate sense, to cry out and fight back, but I know this would be Satan's will for me! This one who hates me, and cant wait to have his way with me. His desire to tare me down, before those who will look to me and those who have abiding faith! We who will be conquerors, in the promises of God!

Hold fast therefore onto that which you have! Do not let it slip away. Paul's very words! That will be all it takes, is it to just slip! The faith, the hope, the waiting for His promises! Waiting to see Him face to face! The Christ the savior of the world!

I am so ready for the second coming of Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior!

I love that he never leaves us

Brother Mishael,

Fat on the Word, I like that! Amen! Thanks for your prayer and sharing the blessings....

John 6:35

"And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst."

Have a blessed week Brother!

It was a good day! Started off rainy but the sun came out for a while. Been studying All day getting fat on the Word, lol.

Hope you were blessed also.

I pray the Lord would open a window, say hi to you, and pour out a blessing on you and your family and kin. Peace shine on you.

John 14:28

"Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I."

Praise the Lord!

Hope that all my brothers and sisters are doing well on this Sabbath Day!

God Bless

Thankyou Warren R R Frank ,i have suffered also ,most of us have ,especially by the time we are middle aged ,i also believe that almost all of my sufferings were caused by me ,my own sinfull behaviour and the consequences of such ,i also know that God is extremely mercifull to us all and even though i am a sinner ,still ,He has always been mercifull to me and always will be ,i try very hard not to take His mercies for granted though , i need Him ,all day every day i need Him .

I believe in Jesus Christ, begotten Son of God. Many say they have invited the Holy Spirit to dwell in their hearts.....But this is not what Jesus said: John 14:15-18 If you love me, keep my commandments and I will pray the Father and he shall give you another comforter, that he may abide with you for ever. I believe that the Comforter is the very Spirit of Truth and that Jesus is the Spirit of truth: for when He was in the world could not receive Him; neither knew Him, But the disciples knew Him because He dwelled with them, and shall be in them. He will not leave them comfortless: He will come to them and he will be in them. Jesus had to die, that he shall come in Spirit. I believe that Jesus will pray for every one likewise, whosoever loves Him and keeps His commandments. Jesus is the word of God and His words are spirit and they are life. We can know the Father and Jesus Christ whom He sent. Jesus sits at the right hand of God. He made no mention as to where the holy spirit shall sit. Yea, we are the branches He is the true vine. As branches we abide in Him. His words must be in and then He shall abide in us. But. if we do not bear fruit, we are cast of from the vine. The fruit is understanding the spiritual meaning of the word of God not the fruits of the Spirit without understanding which we shall have if we receive the good seed into the good ground. It seems that no one understand how we are to humble ourselves under the mighty hand of God; if we do not humble ourselves, God shall not give us grace. I do not believe that salvation is a gift of God. Grace in the only freely gift of God which comes from Jesus. I do not think that many have grace or faith, because many have exalted themselves. Many complain about suffering, Some suffer according to the will of God. I suffer and I believe I suffer accordingly. The Father plants us as branches if we continue in the words Jesus spoke.

Here's some more for you Gerald. Matthew 5:10-12.

Gerald,

Maybe Matthew 5:10 might be what you are looking for, which says "Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven."

This is just a guess on my part. Sorry I couldn't be more helpful!

Luke 6:22 ?

Hello Gerald,

Oops. I replied to Jesse. I'll reply to you(again) so you receive an e-mail. To add to what Jesse offered you. Maybe John 16:1-3.

God Bless.

Hello Gerald,

To add to what Jesse offered you. Maybe John 16:1-3.

God Bless.

Absolutely not. That has nothing at all to do with what I said. Being persecuted and put out of the churches for your righteousness sake. In other words your truth has threatened the authorities of the churches and you are asked to leave. There is indeed a scripture that says that, I have already included in my book in another chapter, but it is a long book and it is hard to locate.

You might be thinking of Matthew 5:20?

Looking for the scripture that talks about being cast out of the churches for your righteousness