John Chapter 3 Discussion Page 3

Additional scripture for you:

Matthew 3-7, Matthew 5, Matthew 5:20, Matthew 9:10-13, Matthew 9:14-17, Matthew 9:27-34, Matthew 12:14, Matthew 12, Matthew 15, Matthew 16, Matthew 16:6,12, Matthew 19:3, * Matthew 21, Matthew 22, Matthew 22:15, it appears they were wrongfully referring to the book of Tobet, in 1611 version, Tobit 3:7,8, Matthew 22:29,

* Matthew 23:2, whole chapter Matthew 23, Matthew 27:62,

Matthew 23:13,14,

Mark 2:16, Mark 2, Mark 3:1-6, Mark 7:1-23, Mark 8:11,15, Mark 10:2, Mark 12:13,

Luke 5:17-39, Luke 6:2-11, Luke 7:29-50, Luke 11:37-54, Luke 12:1, Luke 12:31, Luke 14:1-24, Luke 14, Luke 16:14-31, Luke 16, Luke 19:35-39,

John 1:19-34, John 3:1-21, John 7:28-32, John 7:43-53, John 8:3-22, John 9, John 9:15,16, John 11:37-57, John 12:19, John 12:42, John 18:3,

Acts 15, Acts 23,

Hopefully these are helpful in your study, I included several Chapters to read next to verses, to read within context, for better understanding

Pharisees were members of a party that believed in resurrection and in following legal traditions that were ascribed not to the Bible but to "the traditions of the fathers." Like the scribes, they were also well-known legal experts: hence the partial overlap of membership of the two groups.

According to Josephus, whereas the Sadducees believed that people have total free will and the Essenes believed that all of a person's life is predestined, the Pharisees believed that people have free will but that God also has foreknowledge of human destiny.

The Sadducees refused to go beyond the written Torah (first five books of the Bible) and thus, unlike the Pharisees, denied the immortality of the soul, bodily resurrection after death, and-according to the Acts of the Apostles (23:8), the fifth book of the New Testament-the existence of angelic spirits.

What Jesus said about Pharisees?

"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men's faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to."

John 3. Jesus's teaching to Nicodemas

Hi Donya

If you Google it you'll find a lot of information.

GBU

The Pharisee was the name of the Jewish leaders in the synagogue in scripture. They were the ones doing the buying and selling when Christ Jesus turned over their money tables in Matthew 21:12.

Please, explain or define "Pharisee

Beloved "Allan steele" , know that you are working on your salvation with fear and trembling. So that your assurance of salvation gives you and yours a "weight". :) If we are not born again, we cannot see the Kingdom of God.

Stay blessed in Jesus Name, love u in Christ Romans 7:1-6 and Chapter 8

Hi dear Jesse, I really miss some Bible verses for what you say.

God bless u and yours in Jesus Name, love u in Christ Romans 7:1-6 and Romans 8:11

Great pasture of scripture and I understand reading it and what the Bible says.

Genesis 2, Genesis 3:8-24, note Genesis 3:21, Genesis 4:16, Genesis 4:26, Genesis 5:22,24,

Hopefully you find these helpful in your study

Allan,

While everyone will stand before the Lord, a believers judgement will be different than the judgement for non-believers. Believers stand before the Bema Seat judgement. This judgement is not to determine whether we go to heaven or hell, but what reward/s we will receive. There will be a separate judgement for non-believers that takes place after the 1,000 year reign of Christ. It is called the Great White Throne judgement. No believer will stand before God at that judgement. So, the judgement for the person who dies in Christ is to determine their reward. At the Great White Throne judgment, not one single person will enter into heaven. Their judgement will be eternal separation from Christ.

When we take our last breath and our body returns to the ground from where it came and our spirit returns to God who gave it , when and where does God judge us whether we enter into Gods Kingdom (Heaven) or to spend eternity in Hell.....

Did Adam and Eve and their sons and daughters have a personal relationship with God , Jesus and the Holy Ghost while dwelling in the garden of Eden....????

Hello, when you say not there, what exactly about John 3:3 isn't there: the book of John itself, the chapter, or verse? Does your Bible go Matthew, Mark, Luke, then skips to Acts? If so, was it ripped out? If printed that way I think your Bible would be the only one in history like that. Bibles care meticulously scrutinized for accuracy probably more than any other book in the world.

In original texts there weren't numbers, so as a convenience they were numbered by verses to make it easy to reference and study. I believe some translations group some verses differently than others. I don't believe it's a matter of anything "missing" but a matter of organization. Sometimes when you see something "missing" it may appear in the previous verse. That is my opinion. God bless.

Sometimes not all of the disciples were present with each other, when Jesus taught something.

There is something called HARMONY of the Gospels because four disciples were seeing and hearing the same thing so the scriptures will be written very similar or very differently IF one of them was not present at the time and their writings will not be worded identically.

They were not all together when they wrote the books for the Bible that they were canonized the same. The times or years of the writing could be different too.

It helps greatly to be using A REFERENCE BIBLE. The ones with a CENTER OF EACH PAGE REFERENCE COLUMN, will have tiny "a-b-c" notes that point to a similar passage, a prophesy, or additional information (like a harmony scripture).

John 3:36****

He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

John 3:18

He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

I used the search engine on this website and I used Google search to verify your claim.

there was some indication that Apostle Luke wrote a harmonizing verse but I couldn't find it; maybe someone else can, but I thought I would write back and let you know.

These were quotes of Jesus. In answer to your question, Book of John never had a verse 37 in Chapter 3.

That's why most of us are using The King James Bible. It makes studying easier, conversation, interpretation easier.

You sound like a good student. Treat yourself to Reference Study version of the KJB Bible.

Is that verse in another translation? Was that a scripture added after the findings of the Dead Sea Scrolls? Is there a footnote?

Why is their no John 3:37

Hi "Ruth" all answer is right, a personal experience here, i did not know where i stood. I wandered here and there, and unfortunately i also followed the spirit of the times in this world, the antichrist.

Because since we that time still where "children", we have every right not to know everything, every right to ask, explore, learn and so on. We still do Everyday. 2 Thessalonians 1:12 Acts 8:16

But when the Spirit in us awakens, we will no longer go around making mistakes. The Holy Spirit helps us if we let Him lead us where we do belongs. Namely with God in our Spirit where we can find strength, courage and forgiveness Spirit and the Spirit of love. And everything else good is there.

That Spirit makes us living Sources who speak right and do right because we believe in Jesus Christ Is the Son of God. Nor will the Holy Spirit ever stop and give us words in our mouths to preach about Jesus Christ. John 7:38

So when i walked around there in the dark before God found me. I did not have this Source because i was not filled with the Holy Spirit.

But here we come to something central and important. All God gives us is Grace over Grace. Because when i look back on my life without Him and my life with Him, i understand that i have been under Grace because He has been with me from the first day of my life.

Because when we are lost or confused, we can not even say the Lord Jesus name. Only if we are in the Holy Spirit can we say that.

1 Corinthians 12:3

At this stage i am also comforted since He has been so gracious to me. I want to believe that He is just as gracious with everyone else. When we can not say Jesus Christ from our mouths if we are not in the Holy Spirit. So i hear people say Jesus Christ with their mouths, is not it a confession in a way? Therefore, i attribute these people to the Lord. And He saves them to Himself after His will, i'm moving on. Hallelujah the Lord is near. Acts 8-9 Chapter. God bless us in Jesus Christ.

Hi Ruth, I believe it means water baptism. Water baptism is mentioned many times in the New Testament and is both physical and symbolic. If it wasn't important then Jesus would never have mentioned it and He wouldn't have baptized nor been baptized Himself, nor talked so much about it. But when I read it with an open mind and with no regard to denominational influence, it's obvious to me that at bare minimum this act of obedience is extremely important. The verses below are quite compelling. Beware of anyone who tries to sway you away from obeying or following Jesus. We can best avoid false teaching if we read God's Word and pray for wisdom and understanding. Link

Acts 2:38 - Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Mark 16:16 - He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Matthew 28:19 - Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

John 14:15 - "If ye love me, keep my commandments."

God bless

Hi, Ruth,

I just read that verse. John 3:27,

Baptism & HOLY Spirit is many's belief.

Water & Spirit also could just simply mean natural birth & spiritual. John 3:5-6,

John 3, if you read in context John 3:3, John 3:15-21,

Hopefully these are helpful

Hello Ruth, Nice to meet you here.

This verse has been the topic of many discussions on this site. My suggestion is for you to google the question and read from some reputable Christian sites say about this. These articles usually site 3 or 4 meanings for this verse. If you truly want to understand this verse about being born anew, I think it is important to discover what has been taught since the beginning of the church age up to now.

In my research, the early church fathers of the first few centuries interpreted this passage as referring to water baptism being the means of being born of water and the spirit. This view speaks of being cleansed from sin through repentance and of our sins being "washed" away (in the spiritual sense) by the waters of baptism, which indicates a total cleansing from sin and by being a new creation by the work of the Holy Spirit who regenerates us. The early church fathers viewed that being born anew by water and the spirit as concurring simultaneously in water baptism. This was the view of the church from the 1st century up to the times after the Reformation in the 1500's when various sects began to promulgate the other views you will find in your research and the in the replies to you question on this site.

I do not wish to promote my view on this here, so I won't. But I did want to the historical viewpoint from the church age and refer you to research further on this on various Christian sites. these sites give good explanations citing Scripture, which I think is always good.

I have a question regarding being born of the water and spirit. What exactly does this mean?

Let's start with this we will all be changed in a twinkling of an eye, then there is two type of bodies celestial and telesterial but then Jesus says, even the Son of man which is in heaven. He was right there alive speaking, So I'll let Jesus answer it verse 12If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things? Even more so Jesus hadn't died yet so how did he ascend before he died. had Jesus come down before and returned and all other like Elija never ascend to heaven but were changed 1st, do we go to heaven when we die. faith is the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of thing not seen, now we see through a glass, darkly, and we know in part but then I shall know even as I am known, I guess we'll have to wait to find everything out

Sixth day creation,.. all God's children have been going to either the right or left side of heaven,.. for a long time before Jesus got here ,.. we have knowledge of Jesus even going to that left side after the crucifix, an it's written that many followed him on over to the right side

Hello Jeremiah. This account that you refer to, begins at John 3:10, as Jesus continues His talk with Nicodemus. Jesus has just given him a very strange Word (or, concept): that this new spiritual re-birth from God has nothing to do with a physical re-birth. And so when Nicodemus enquires further, Jesus states, that as a master (i.e. teacher or doctor of the Law) in Israel, he should have understood & be conversant with such a Truth. He should have known of God's Spirit working upon & within many people (e.g. Numbers 27:18; Judges 3:9,10; 1 Samuel 10:9,10; Ezekiel 36:26-28; Isaiah 11:1-5); that the self-same Spirit Who could come upon people could also one day give them a new Spirit within them to worship God & live through His Power - a new life acceptable to God, even as God gave His Spirit to accomplish His Purposes in those of olden days.

Then Jesus continues to speak with Nicodemus; that what he is hearing now is coming from One Who knows & Who has seen the working of God's Spirit. And further (in John 3:13), Jesus says that there has been no one to have gone into Heaven to learn of these things & bring them to people, but only the One Who was always in Heaven & has come down from Heaven.

Jesus' Words here don't just speak of life after death, but specifically about those who did rise (whether in spirit or in the first resurrection), who did not return back to share this Truth about rebirth with them; people living now could not learn this Truth from anyone, but from the Son of Man Who is the Son of God, coming from God & bringing it to man. And Nicodemus should have understood at least a little of what Jesus was saying to him, because of his knowledge of the Scriptures.

And yes, true, there'll be a day when God will bring forth a new Earth, devoid of any stain of evil, where all of Heaven & Earth will reside ( Revelation 21:1-7), and all sinners (unrepentant, remaining enemies of God & the Cross of Christ), will only be found in the Lake of Fire (v8).

Jeremiah

All mankind going back through Noah to Adam knew a lot ore about God, His ways, heaven and other spiritual things because God communicate with these and other pre-post flood prophets lie Seth. Enoch, Jared, Noah, Shem, and Abraham.

However, most of what God said or revealed to them was not written down by Moses. These revelations were proclaimed to the people during those times. Yet, many people turns to idols instead of believing the oral transmission about God through thes godly patriarchs

Jesus said that Abraham saw the day when the Messiah would come and Rejoiced. John 8:56

And Ababam believed that God could raise Isaac from the dead if he slayed him. Hebrews 11:17-19

Abraham was a prophet and favored by God. I am sure that God shows up often and revealed things to him. Enoch walked with Gid and was witnessed going up to heaven without dying.

So, there is most likely a large amount of revelation God told Abraham and other patriarchs that God did not have Mose record in Genesis. These people's faith was not as primitive as most people seem to assume.

According to John 3:13 -

How did Abraham be live in heaven, Jesus relates to that no one had gone to heaven before him?

So all man before Christ does not go to Heaven :)

It is quite reasonable because God - the Real Father of the Christ - created a garden - the Eden ;)

And Father of Christ want to RE-new the whole Globe - So in revelation says about new Earth

so every man will be in that new Earth that links us to Exactly ISAIAH 45:18 where is about Earth,

that will be "inhabited".

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Well said.

Part II OR: Baptism Of Repentance For The Remission Of sins?:

God's Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided, 'Shows water' is NOT Under God's GRACE, Today:

(1) Prophecy/Law for ISRAEL: The Twelve 'Were Sent' to water baptize!

The TWO Main, of 12 baptisms =

A) water, For remission of sins/induction into Israeli "priesthood!" {separate "study" IF you wish...} ( Matthew 3:5-6 Mark 1:4 Luke 3:3 John 1:31 Luke 7:29-30 Acts 10:37 Matthew 28:19 Mark 16:16 Acts 2:38 Acts 22:16 Ezekiel 36:25 John 18:35 Exodus 19:6 ) +

B) WITH The Holy Spirit, Poured Out By CHRIST, for power, signs And wonders! ( Isaiah 44:3 Matthew 3:11 Mark 1:8 Mark 16:17-18 Luke 24:49 Acts 2:17-18 Acts 2:38 Acts 8:15-17 Acts 11:16 )

Prophecy/Law

Rightly Divided ( 2 Timothy 2:15 ) From Things That Differ!:

(2) Mystery/GRACE! = our "apostle to the Gentiles" for The Body Of CHRIST:

Paul 'Was Not Sent' to {water} baptize! Why Not?:

Today: 'Only ONE' Baptism = "BY" The ONE Spirit = God's OPERATION, Spiritually Identifying members In (The ONE Body Of) CHRIST!! ( Ephesians 4:5 Colossians 2:12 Galatians 3:27 Romans 6:3-4 1 Corinthians 12:13 )

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Thus, This ONE Baptism Is Performed, By God, Today, Under God's GRACE/MYSTERY Program, when the believer "confesses Jesus as Lord and Savior and believes that He died and rose again, and God Saves them" in the twinkling of an eye.

Thus, "water baptism" Is Scriptural, But Dispensationally, "was for the Previous Law/Prophecy Program" of God, For ISRAEL!

Conclusion, water baptism is Scriptural, but, TODAY, is UNdispensational! Amen?

More spiritual understanding of 'Prophecy vs MYSTERY':

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Imo, the reason I posted about John 3:16, is I get Irked when I constantly see the RELIGIOUS trying to Improve on, Add too, or Complete all that's Needed to be SAVED, that Jesus Completed on the cross. They can't seem to grasp...

GOD Saves us-When we BELIEVE-HE Gave us-HIS SON JESUS-as a Sacrifice-to cover our sins. PERIOD!

ALL additional Words and Works Man tries to Add to SALVATION are supporting Details implicit in the Gospel...such as...

REPENT...all we must Repent of is the Unbelief in the Gospel...FAITH..we Believe and Receive by Faith...BLOOD is implicit in sacrificial Death of Christ...GRACE is God's Loving Act of sacrificing His Son...The CROSS...is the Tool used to sacrifice Jesus...DEATH BURIAL RESURRECTION are part of the sacrificial process...but again GOD SAVES us, by Jesus the Gift, through the Power of the Holy Spirit. :)