John Chapter 3 Discussion Page 9

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when JESUS baptized was it full immersion?

Is. 7:14 a sign is given by the lord himself a virgin shall conceive and bear a son and his name shall be called Immanuel.

The born again experience is the sign that you are born from above. As Jesus spoke of course he is the pattern man and he come to full fill scripture so are we as imitators of God, he's said the spirit moves were is wishes.....you hear the voice of it but you don't know where and how it comes, So is EVERYONE BORN OF SPIRIT.

The virgin Birth is experienced by EVERYONE BORN IN SPIRIT, as it not born of a flesh of a women but is a spiritual birth( virgin birth).

It did not just happen 2000 years ago to the patterned man (son of man) but is being happening and experiencing in the now today. I have experienced it my daughter has experienced it my mother and a few others I have spoken to.

Paul calls our religion a mystery not history. For history are known facts recorded you may like them or not but it's history, a mystery is something to be discovered and experienced. The mystery of the new birth or born again or I sum it up as being born from above is this , you are the Virgin Mary your skull is the holy womb of man.

The child (THE SIGN) is literally born from above and from the skull. It is spiritual and when it happens it will happen in a dream or in vision.the sound of wind is heard or loud voices as my daughter experienced it. She is 12 yrs old by the way, she said it was so loud the voices or wind it was irritating and you can't stop it, then pop out comes the child wrapped in a blanket there are people around watching you as witnesses people you know are there, she picked up the child and walked away and the dream or vision vanish. It is invisible but afterwards the change in that person is undoubtedly and undisputed and undeniable changed. The righteous man is born in him. This Born from above or born again experienced and the sign that it happens is a child is born from a virgin. The lord himself gives the sign.

Amen Brother, Well said.

Here you see how important the Name of Jesus anointed has become for all deeds.! for Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

It is obvious they did not believe the Name of Jesus anointed was important in all their works and deeds performed. It proves here that they failed to use the Name in one or more of their works or DEEDS. I could make it easier but am not permitted to do so here. That's why the word requires we study to find the whole truth. Seek and you will find

Comments by Alex about being bornagain of an incorruptible seed EVEN BY THE WORD OF GOD that heavenly bloodline of Christ as we have borne the image of the earthly (our adamic nature ) we must also bear the image of the heavenly ( the nature of CHRIST ) THAT Promise seed a new innerman which is the H.G.( THIS IS REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY BY BEING BORNAGAIN WE REPLACE OUR OLD MAN by that new heart and new spirit the H.G. Not circumcision nor uncircumcision but a new creature which is the H.G. new to us but old to God as Jesus said they will bring forth things out of their hearts new and old.When Jesus told Nic. a jew he had to be bornagain inorder to enter the kingdom thats replacement theology we replace the old man with a newman.Our old man was in rank with satan.Paul was preaching replacement theology when he said its not i that live but but Christ that lives with in me,Saul was replaced but Paul. Just as the old covenant was replaced by the new covenant.If perfection came under the levitical Priesthood what was the need for another priesthood after the order of Melchizedek this was replacement theology. There was none righteous no not one thus the need for a new covenant by the blood of CHRIST.Jesus said outa of the hearts of MAN proceeds all manner of evil, thus the need for a new covenant. what Jesus did at calvary is gona make us all replacement,The H.G. is our replacement, our new innerman which is Christ in us the hope of glory,But Jesus does not do away with the Jewish ppl as all men will be washed in his blood, we will all be bornagain as Jeremiah saw all men in travail and birth pains in the end at the lake of fire which is his baptism of fire that all men will go thru. Who shall abide the day of his coming, Who shall stand when he appears for he shall be as a refiners fire and fullers soap,He is asking a question (WHO) impling WHO WILL ESCAPE THE LAKE OF FIRE,The wraft of the lamb, th blood WHO? implies nobody is gona escape the blood of the lamb.2 ND ADAM.

Only after the Ethiopian was saved by faith in Jesusu Christ in verse 37 was he allowed to be baptized. Salvation is saved by Grace through faith in what Jesus did by shedding His perfect, holy blood on the cross for the sins of mankind. People in the Old Testament were saved the same way the only difference is that they believed God would send a Savior. We are saved by faith by believing that the Father has already sent the Savior, baptism is a picture of our faith representative of the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Baptism has nothing to do with Salvation. The Bible clearly states in Romans that "whosoever calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." No baptism mentioned or required. Also when Phillip was lead of the Spirit to Gaza to meet the unich has in Acts chapter 8.

" And the angel of the Lord spake unto Philip, saying, Arise, and go toward the south unto the way that goeth down from Jerusalem unto Gaza, which is desert.

27 And he arose and went: and, behold, a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch of great authority under Candace queen of the Ethiopians, who had the charge of all her treasure, and had come to Jerusalem for to worship,

28 Was returning, and sitting in his chariot read Esaias the prophet.

29 Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot.

30 And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest?

31 And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.

32 The place of the scripture which he read was this, He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth:

33 In his humiliation his judgment was taken away: and who shall declare his generation? for his life is taken from the earth.

34 And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, I pray thee, of whom speaketh the prophet this? of himself, or of some other man?

35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.

36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?

37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him."

I have thought the same thing. For God so loved the world he gave his only Son and whosoever believes in him shall not parish but have ever lasting life and the way I see it is that if you are a true believer then you will want to obey Gods Commandments and everything else just falls into place or at least it does for me. Amen

a fabrication? No, In fact I think this verus is the most important in the whole bible.

It is necessary for an individual to be born again to enter God's Kingdom, it takes a gracious and miraculous act-completely on God's part-to close the gap between Him and those He calls ( John 6:44).God graciously gives life by His Spirit. Paul writes, "For He says to Moses, 'I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion.' So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy" ( Romans 9:15-16).

Jesus proclaimed to Nicodemus that one must be born again to enter the Kingdom of God. Since Adam and Eve, mankind has been cut off from God. The design of the Tabernacle, the Temple, and the worship system under the Old Covenant pictures God as distant and virtually unapproachable. Man in his natural condition, having a carnal mind and dead in his sin, is certainly shown as away from God. Though it is necessary for an individual to be born again to enter God's Kingdom, it takes a gracious and miraculous act-completely on God's part-to close the gap between Him and those He calls ( John 6:44).

No one can arbitrarily volunteer for entry and be accepted; a person cannot cause himself to be born again. Flesh does not produce redemption. Unless one is born of the Holy Spirit, whatever one does in the flesh will not make him spiritual in the biblical sense. The Bible shows that the natural mind of man is at war against God and that it is not subject to God's law and cannot be ( Romans 8:7), expressing the harsh reality of the carnal heart of mankind.

When Paul writes that the unconverted are dead in trespasses and sin, he means exactly that. Regardless of how sincere or religious they might be, such people are lifeless in terms of true spiritual life that is given by God. They are part of the old, natural creation and are spiritually lifeless unless and until-and completely at His discretion-God graciously gives life by His Spirit. Paul writes, "For He says to Moses, 'I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion.' So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy".

Jesus proclaimed to Nicodemus that one must be born again to enter the Kingdom of God. Since Adam and Eve, mankind has been cut off from God. The design of the Tabernacle, the Temple, and the worship system under the Old Covenant pictures God as distant and virtually unapproachable. Man in his natural condition, having a carnal mind and dead in his sin, is certainly shown as away from God. Though it is necessary for an individual to be born again to enter God's Kingdom, it takes a gracious and miraculous act-completely on God's part-to close the gap between Him and those He calls ( John 6:44).No one can arbitrarily volunteer for entry and be accepted; a person cannot cause himself to be born again. Flesh does not produce redemption. Unless one is born of the Holy Spirit, whatever one does in the flesh will not make him spiritual in the biblical sense. The Bible shows that the natural mind of man is at war against God and that it is not subject to God's law and cannot be ( Romans 8:7), expressing the harsh reality of the carnal heart of mankind.When Paul writes that the unconverted are dead in trespasses and sin, he means exactly that. Regardless of how sincere or religious they might be, such people are lifeless in terms of true spiritual life that is given by God. They are part of the old, natural creation and are spiritually lifeless unless and until-and completely at His discretion-God graciously gives life by His Spirit. Paul writes, "For He says to Moses, 'I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion.' So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy" ( Romans 9:15-16).

24 bible versions were messed with by Origen he took words out Christ, son, blood , get you behind me satan, .

Go to the Eye Opener on the internet or The New Eye Opener see how many versions he contaminates. King James has those words still in it. It is better you.wont be fooled.

John 19:31-34 So the bodies would not remain on the cross on the Sabbath the Jews asked Pilate that the legs might be broken and that they might be taken away. The soldiers came and broke the legs of the 1st and 3rd prisoners. Jesus was already dead, they did not break his legs. But one of the soldiers pierced his side with a spear, there came out blood and water." Why did blood and water come out of Jesus' side??

Crucifixion typically resulted in death through one of two ways: The first was HYPOVOLEMIC shock. The prolonged rapid heartbeat resulting from hypovolemic shock can cause fluid to gather in the area around the heart. This is called pericardial effusion.

The second way death occurred during crucifixion was due to asphyxiation. The person is unable to breathe in enough oxygen to survive. Crucifixion victims had to pull their weight up with their hands or wrists that were nailed; along with pushing up with the feet or ankles that had another nail through them. Over time, the ability to push up to breathe would end and oxygen flow would be restricted. *This asphyxiation can also result in the buildup of fluid around the heart.

In either case, the account of John is quite accurate. The Romans saw that the other two crucifixion victims were still alive and broke their legs so they would no longer be able to push themselves up to breathe, resulting in death within minutes. Jesus, they saw He had become unconscious and likely was already dead. To confirm, a spear was shoved into His side, likely under His ribs, that ruptured the PERICARDIAL sack, resulting in a flow of both blood and water.

This manner of death was a brutal end for Jesus, there was also prophetic significance to this event. John states in John 19:36-37, "For these things took place that the Scripture might be fulfilled: 'Not one of his bones will be broken. And again another Scripture says, They will look on him whom they have pierced.

Prophesies: Exodus 12:46. Zechariah 12:10.

Mishael

A born again believer should be able to completely understand this hymn in their hearts including that fifth wound: Charles Wesley "Arise My Soul Arise" Likewise a born again believer should also be able to understand full the hymn "When I Survey the Wondrous Cross" especially the line in the lyric that says: "Sorrow and love flow mingled down".

Arise my Soul Arise, shake of your guilty fears; The bleeding sacrifice, in my behalf appears; Before the throne my Surety stands, Before the throne my Surety stands. My name is written in His hands.

He ever lives above, for me to intercede; His all redeeming love, His precious blood to plead; His blood atoned for every race, His blood atoned for every race, And sprinkles now the throne of grace.

Five bleeding wounds he bears; received on Calvary; They pour effectual prayers; they strongly plead for me:" Forgive him O forgive," they cry, "Forgive him, O forgive," they cry. "Nor let the ransomed sinner die!"

The Father hears Him pray, His dear anointed One: He cannot turn away the presence of his Son; The Spirit answers to the blood, The Spirit answers to the blood And tells me I am born of God.

My God is reconciled; His pardoning voice I hear; He owns me for a child; I can no longer fear

With confidence I now draw nigh, With confidence I now draw nigh, And "Father, Abba, Father," cry.

:) Carleton

Hello David, I have written in this discussion my personal born again experience which can be described literally moment by moment and can be described symbolically as a pattern to how Jesus's work at Calvary and how he fulfilled the law. I wrote my literal born again testimony on this discussion on July 23. I am not sure if it can be pulled up for your reference. As far as obedience, ONLY, as a reasonable service I walk a very close walk as well as my family and brethren in even the smallest matters such as taking harmful financial loss to benefit an upset working relationship or neighborly relationship. What sets ,any people off is not the testimony of how one is born again but how they walk after being born again with their relationships with the world and their testimony of grace and love for every single neighbor no matter that neighbors current condition. The Lord will always make a way of escape of some kind not to take revenge or act violently even in words or thoughts.

Carleton

"At Calvary, the water poured from his side and intermingled with his blood and washed our sins away by faith in our repentance looking from up from the wilderness to his healing by repentance. The full result is His Spirit entered into our earthly tabernacle and filled us with peace and understanding."

??????? eh? Sir, the pasting together of partial Scriptures and concepts in an attempt to create your own Gospel is what Paul warned of in the opening of Galatians... twice. If you want an UNDENIABLE EXPERIENCE with God, and receive the REAL Holy Spirit the way they did in Acts, then OBEY THE GOSPEL that is confirmed by the Apostles in the Book of Acts. Only then will you really see what your relationship with the Lord can be!

If you want Biblical results, do Biblical things in Biblical ways. :) Hope this helps!

These scriptures in John 3:3 are a great comfort to those who are seeking peace with God and man.

Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

John 3:4

Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?

John 3:5

Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

At Calvary, the water poured from his side and intermingled with his blood and washed our sins away by faith in our repentance looking from up from the wilderness to his healing by repentance. The full result is His Spirit entered into our earthly tabernacle and filled us with peace and understanding.

This Peace which is harmless, undefiled, separated from willing sin is God in man and will carry the new man by the guidance of his Holy Spirit to the finish of this earthly race.

Repentance is necessary, true. Don't forget Jesus' words to Nicodemus earlier in this very chapter: "You MUST be born again of the WATER AND OF THE SPIRIT" if you want to claim being "born again". Peter told us how to do that on the day of Pentecost, when he, being filled with the Holy Spirit, addressed the crowd in Acts 2:38. That, my friends, is how one is truly "born again."

Not from paradise but from hell. After Jesus died on the cross, He went to hell to preach the gospel. They had the same chance as us to believe. If they believed, then they was taken to paradise to wait for the day of judgement. Lots of people gets paradise mixed up with Heaven.

Very briefly: When Adam sinned by eating the fruit and was banned from the Garden; he lost the mandate that he had been charged with by God. Satan stole the keys.

You see satan in Job 1, bragging.

When Jesus came out of the grave, He went and got the keys back from Satan. He preached to the captives in hell and led them all out; took them through the streets so all could see.

Revelation 1:18

I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

I don't call that mocking. You did, didn't you? Mocking and accusing is a fruit: attributes of Satan. Exactly like what he was doing in Job 1.

Jesus legally took all that power away from Satan when He went to the Cross. John 3:16 < link

Satan didn't know what was really happening or he would have stopped the trial and the crucifixion. He didn't read the scrolls that were being written. He must've forgotten about the prophesy God spoke to him in Genesis 3:14-15. Hebrews 2:14

Romans 16:20, 1 John 3:8

His time is short and he knows he is going to be cast into hell. That's why there is so much spiritual warfare in our world now.

Ephesians 6. Satan is sending his evil angels out into the world to kill as many humans as he can by accident, illness, pandemics, depression, suicide, drugs and alcohol; even riots in streets = where demons will seek to enter inside of unaware humans.

2 Timothy 3:13, evil will wax worse and worse!! It's not ever going to go back to normal.

After the Rapture (Caught Up), it will be this bad times 10. After Antichrist finishes pretending to be Mr. Fix-Everything that's wrong with the world ....all hell will break loose on earth. All prophesy.

You should switch sides now and hang with Jesus. He's going to be moving real fast.

Mishael

"Jesus preached to the Fallen angels Locked up in Tartarus, and led a procession of old Testament Saints from Paradise where Satan held them and took them to Heaven."

Could you please elaborate on this? I had heard that Jesus did go to Hell and did what? Mocked the fallen angels? What do you mean that Satan held Old Testament saints in paradise?

I can support the "True" repentance part of this writing.

However part of being born again and certainly part of repentance involves accountability. If someone has become a Child of Light then that light should be known. Repentance takes proving , it takes watching the walk (conversation) it takes course corrections, it takes confessions to the neighbor. All children of light should have a repentance testimony that can be shared as a Light.

:)

John 3:3-7

By nature every person is born in sin through the sinful seed of our natural fathers and conditioned therein ( 1 Peter 1:23). For that reason and in order to become a son of God, which are born of God, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God, a person must be 'Born Again' ( John 1:12,13), 3:3-7; 1 John 3:9; 5:4).

By attending a man-made institution a few hours a week does not mean that a person can make a claim that they are followers of Christ and 'Born Again'. This is falsehood, as in truth they follow after an image of a false god and a false Christ ( Matthew 24:24; Mark 13:22; Gal. 4:8; Rev. 12:9). This is how Satan has transformed Himself into an angel of light ( 2 Cor. 11:13-15).

Only through the process of Repentance God will reveal Himself to you and adopt you as His sons and daughters ( Rom. 8:15,23; 2 Cor.6:18; Gal. 4:5; Eph. 1:5; Hebr. 12:5; 1 John 3:1).

The word 'Repent' means a lot more than what people by nature have been conditioned to believe. It is the key principle of all the teachings of Jesus Christ and the axiom (basis) of the Word of God and a prerequisite and primary requirement for the salvation of mankind. It actually means the changing of spirits - to turn from darkness to light and from the power of Satan unto God ( Acts 26:18).



For a better understanding and the 'spiritual truth' of what it means to repent, and learn how and by whom mankind has been deceived ( Rev. 12:9) and what people must do to be reunited with the true and living God, we invite you to seek Him according to the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive ( Matthew 7:7; John 14:17).

You need not that any man teach you ( Isaiah 54:13; 6:45; 1 John 2:27), It is only by revelation of God that you will come to know Christ ( Daniel 12:4,9; Amos 3:7; Matthew 16:17; Luke 2:26; Romans 16:25; 1 Cor. 2:10; Gal. 1:16; Eph. 3:3,5; Rev. 1:1), and it is only then that you will learn what it means to be 'Born of God' and 'Born Again'.

God so loved the world He gave us Yeshua Jesus christ who is Emanuel meaning ( "God with us") to be joint heirs with Lord for all eternity. Requirement Accept Jesus in your Heart and believe he is who he says he is thou shalt be saved. He died on the cross and rose defeated Satan went into the bowels of the earth and with a shout The gates of hell swung open Jesus preached to the Fallen angels Locked up in Tartarus, and led a procession of old Testament Saints from Paradise where Satan held them and took them to Heaven. How Great is our God, read the word of God show thyself approved. Accept Jesus as your saviour He really does Love us all. Eternity is just too long to be lost and undone and wrong.

Alex Comments about the Sabbath Day under the new covenant. Under the new covenant its our bodies that is his temple as the scripture said abide in me and i in you meaning 24/7 not 1 day a week . The Lord no more dwells in temples made with hands he has to be born within us thats y he calls himself the son of man , he wants mankind to be his temple, its a bride n bridegroom situation 24/7 forever .He even tells us that we are the branches and the branches have to abide in the vine 24/7 or it will whither and die. The branches cannot abide in the vine 1 day a week. Nothin less then your complete cooperation is exceptable,its like building a house if ya cannot give it all away and give it to the poor ya cannot finish the house, And men that stand by began to mock him saying this man began to build but was not able to finish,So like wise he be of you that cannot forsake all that he has. count the cost,its gonna cost ya everything but you will gain a kingdom, Christ in you. Our fellowship is with the father and his son NOT Bro. Jones or sis. Johnson, Christ in you 24/7,Jesus died that he might make every day Holy not 1 day a week. Now its our bodies that is his temple. Abide in me and i in you 24/7. There does remain a day of rest for the ppl of God but its a 1000 yr day when Christ will reign on this earth, A day is a 1000 yrs in the sight of God but that day will neva end . His kingdom is an everlasting kingdom that has no end . Remember Davids prophesy of a kingdom coming that wd have no end. Remember what steven said b/f the church gang stoned him, The Most high God does not dwell in temples made with hands,organized religions, there shall not be 1 stone left upon another that shall not be cast down. Churches on every corner but no Jesus . Your house is left unto you DESOLATE the churches.Jesus warned us about the great abomination of desolation that was coming. The nite comes when no man can work. Darkness has covered the earth and gross darkness the ppl . GBU

Born again refers to the difference between born of women and born of the Spirit.

You spit at God. Don't stand under trees in lightning storms.

Jesus gave his life for you. And you don't give a flying carpet do you?

Good night all.

Who told you that? You can see the other translations for yourself by clicking on the verse and scrolling down to 'other translations'. All of them are nearly word for word and the meaning is exactly the same. So, whomever told you that was a fabrication.