Hi Burney. "Divers" is just an old spelling for 'diverse'. And as you know, 'diverse' means 'of different kinds or forms'. So in Luke 21:11, "And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences...", would mean 'there would be high intensity earthquakes in many different locations throughout the World.'
Many people have tried to set dates on when Christ will return, and when the 7-year tribulation will begin. If your calculations are correct and this year passes by and the tribulation has not begun, then what? Do we set a different date? Many people in the past have set dates on the return of Christ, and those dates passed by with nothing happening. Are we even supposed to be setting dates on Christ's return?
If I may share this with you, in Matthew 24:34, it says, "Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled." People have taken the word generation and some have said that a generation is 40 years, some say 70 years, and some say 120 years, and then they predict a date on when Christ will return, and those dates have come and gone. You have put 80 years from May 11, 1949 as the date Christ will return.
Well, the problem with that is that this word generation has no association with years at all. The word generation means race or kind of people. GENEA is the word, and it means a race or kind of people.
GENEA has nothing to do with years. It is a race or kind of people. Basically, what Jesus is saying here, is this kind or race of people, (the Jews), shall not pass away until all these things be fulfilled. They are His elect. They are His protected people, His chosen people, and He will fulfill His promises to them.
Here is something to consider about when the Fig Tree Generation will begin and end.
While it is true that Israel was proclaimed to be a nation by President Truman on May 14,1948; it is important to realize that Israel was not considered to be a sovereign state by the rest of the world until the United Nations recognized Israel to be a nation one year later on May 11, 1949.
Therefore, the Fig Tree Generation did not formally begin until May 11, 1949, which would mean the year Christ will return to earth to rule for 1,000 years would be 2029.
We can look for the 7 year tribulation to begin later this year in 2022, more than likely in September around the Feast Of Trumpets (at the end of the current Shmetah Cycle), or in October around the Day Of Atonement.
Hey George, I just want to share some verses with you. But first, Luke 21 and Mark 13 are parallel passages of Matthew 24. I would think that most people would agree, though there are differences between the three chapters mostly because each account of the same Olivet discourse was witnessed by 3 different disciples so each one would write of the discourse from their viewpoint being led of the Holy Ghost.
Secondly, I do not see anywhere in John 14 the teaching of a pre-trib rapture. I see where Jesus will come for us and we be with him forever but I do not see a timeline, the hour that he comes for us.
Matthew 24:29-31, Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the son be darkened, and the moon shall to give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
I Thessalonians 2:15-16, For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with hem in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
II Thessalonians 2:1-3, Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ,a nod by our gathering together unto him, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
Matthew 24:29,30 -AFTER the tribulation of those days..' etc.
The youtube channel 'Servus Christi' does an very methodical expounding of the rapture question. If you type in his channel name and 'rapture' it will pop up.
It seems to fit; but also the warnings of those whose garments needed to be made white through the blood of the lamb could indicate those not fit for the Rapture; if indeed it is a reward not a salvation issue. It also challenges those who truly are saved now. Certainly there are resurrections; of the 2 witnesses and likely the 144,000 in the Tribulation; and a remnant physically survive into the Millenium. The point being; as you stated the verse in Luke about praying in Latin uses a ward for "agony" so that it is clearly only a few involved. Let's face it not too many believers are doing this. To pray to be worthy surely would indicate something like the Malachi 3 indication of a book of remembrance of those who fear the Lord; and a crown for those who are longing and waiting patiently for His return as the N.T. indicates. There are many tares mixed in with the wheat today.
There of course are issues with many who have for decades now tried to pinpoint a date. Now; it would appear the last generation didn't start in 1948 according to the Psalm 90:10 principle. I have a theory on that as well. The point is; He is with us until the end of the Age. Those who need to be warned are those not prepared; not those who love the Lord. If we are wrong there they will deal with whatever happens as they always have; in faith. But from my observations; the faithful are browbeaten about being strong enough to endure the Tribulation. I am convinced all the preparation is fruitless for that; although wisdom surely should determine resources now if He tarries with eventual power grid; food supply and wartime scenarios. There is a proverb that he who is wise winneth souls; and "he who sows in tears will reap in joy" or something to that affect. ( Psalm 126:6). We should strive to be faithful servants until He returns; not as the unwise who gets drunk and beats his fellowservants!
Although I also believe in a Pre-Tribulation rapture, I do not think that Luke 21:36 would show proof of that. Also, I am not too sure about John Chapter 14 giving definitive proof. Are you referring to John 14:3 by chance? Some people think John 14:3 is the rapture of the church, and some people think it is the second coming of Christ. Personally, I believe that it describes the time when we receive Christ. Jesus says He's leaving but He is coming back, that where Jesus is, we will be also. And where is the Lord right now? If we've received Christ, He lives in us. We are that dwelling place. We are that mansion!
I have seen many Christians debate this topic passionately and I personally have never taken part as I haven't formed a solid opinion, knowing that end times isn't a salvation issue and that we're just to be on guard regardless of how the end times plays out. But this one verse seems convincing and I wonder what verse do people cite who believe in post tribulation rapture?
Is not Luke 21:36 Proof of a pre-tribulation rapture? Pray you may be found worthy to escape these things. Escape what the Tribulation just described. I believe scripture as a whole makes a pre-tribulation rapture clear. Jesus taught it in John 14!
Why does most americans believe almost anything? like a lie.. the serpant in the bible was a snake talking to a woman. that same serpant lead jesus upon a high mountain and said if you be the son of god cast your down and the serpant read out of the book of psalms cp 91 verse starting at verse 11. this serpant called a snake is one more bad dood..a talking snake!! something is wrong with this episode!!! see how even the preachers are deceive whew!!!
If we study the book of Daniel and Revelation also especially Deuteronomy 28 we will have to come to the only conclusion that the State of Israel is not the descendants of Ancient Israel. The Bible does not in the least support their claim. So who are these people that are being propped up by the West in particular the USA?
I read the guidelines for comments and agree with them, however one important point is missing honesty/truth.
I hope my comments are taken seriously and not dismissed as unimportant because I don't believe that that state is not of God.
Israel is not behaving in its best interests against Iran. Instead of brokering peace, they welcome evil. Let's not forget Iran takes part in the sacking of Israel ( Ezekiel 38:7), so any offensive can be costly.
Headlines:
*Israel is ready to strike Iran, Defense Minister Benny Gantz said Thursday, as tensions between the two countries continue to mount.
*Israel warns Tehran is only '10 weeks away' from acquiring weapons-grade materials
For the past 40 years Israel has been repeating this mantra of crying wolf.
Israel is not behaving in its best interests against Iran. Instead of brokering peace, they welcome evil with threats of attack. Let's not forget Iran takes part in the sacking of Israel ( Ezekiel 38:7), so any offensive can be costly.
Headlines:
*Israel is ready to strike Iran, Defense Minister Benny Gantz said Thursday, as tensions between the two countries continue to mount.
*Israel warns Tehran is only '10 weeks away' from acquiring weapons-grade materials
For the past 40 years Israel has been repeating this mantra of crying wolf.
Israel is not behaving in its best interests against Iran. Instead of brokering peace, they welcome evil. Let's not forget Iran takes part in the sacking of Israel ( Ezekiel 38:7), so any offensive can be costly.
Headlines:
*Israel is ready to strike Iran, Defense Minister Benny Gantz said Thursday, as tensions between the two countries continue to mount.
*Israel warns Tehran is only '10 weeks away' from acquiring weapons-grade materials
For the past 40 years Israel has been repeating this mantra of crying wolf.
Many believe in the seven years at the end times. Those seven years are taken from the seventy-week prophecy given to Daniel. My advice is to study.
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Daniel 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
Seven weeks + threescore and two weeks = 69 weeks this is when Messiah (Jesus) first comes, when He is baptized. The next verse tells us the Messiah is cut off (crucified) after 62 weeks, this was when the restoration and repairing of the walls, streets, and gates of the city of Jerusalem by Ezra and Nehemiah ( Nehemiah 2:8-17; 4:17). Troublous times when their enemies tried to stop the building ( Nehemiah 4:7) the first 7 weeks. We know Jesus' ministry was 3.5 years.
This is 3.5 years past 69 weeks so that puts Jesus' crucifixion in the middle of the seventieth week.
I posted a 3-part post on this a few weeks past may you can pull it up and may it help you study this. Not all of Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21, what Jesus is saying is about end times.
Jesus did cover part about end times but some was telling His Apostles which we see in Mark there were only four, what they were going to have to face before the destruction of the temple. What Jesus said at first before they ask Him, not one stone would be left on top of another.
There was much of what Jesus said happened before the temple was destroyed, Wars, earthquakes, famines, false prophets, check out Simon in Acts 8, and there were more. The apostles were put in prison, beaten, and killed.
The main fact, if sixty-nine and one-half weeks is shown in scripture that has already past, you cannot put a full week at end times.
S Spencer Something interesting about noahs time, can you imagine how many people were mocking him and thought he was nuts for telling them its going to rain and flood they must have thought he was crazy. The reason is because before that time it never rained on the face of the earth. Just things I think about also the word of God Says God closed the Ark and I'll bet when Crap hit the fan nobody could open it, I think the people were so wicked that if they would have gotten on the ark Noahs family would have been history.
Number one and number three in my previous post should both say three and one-half years. This has happened to me before where I've typed in the correct number but when I hit the submit button, it changes what I typed. But anyway, this seven year period is divided into two three and a half year periods. The entire seven years is known as the tribulation period. The last three and a half years are known as the Great Tribulation.
I personally keep my eyes on Israel as a time peace. and the Apostasy going on and decay spiritually world wide. I don't associate none of these viruses with anything in Revelation. But I see a condition of peoples heart looking similar to the heart of those during the times of Noah. During these troubling times it has no effect on the Lost. I'M NOT SAYING WE ENTERED THOSE DAYS TO COME. Let me make that clear! But what I am saying their hearts is already in this condition.
Mathews 24:38. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark.
Noah preached 120 years while building the ark and all he could get saved out of that world was 8 souls. they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, Going on about everyday life like it is nothing happening' You would think this virus would bring fear upon people and make them consider their ways and turn to God. However a lot has been manifested during this pandemic. you sort of see a sifting going on.
And that's in the Church!! The world is carrying on the way the world does, We commit fornication by bringing the world into the the Church and leave off worshipping in truth and in Spirit and start worshipping the work of our own hands! Our self created views and join to anyone that believe on them as well. Noah never left off building neither shall we, Can you imagine the mockery he endured?!!
And that is why you see we're under so much attack when getting the Gospel out.
7/29/2021 I'm just curious- When Jesus talked about all those scary things happening in the end days, was He talking about those things happening nowadays (20th/21st Century) or was He talking about those things happening sometime closer to after He was crucified/resurrected/ascended???
I always thought that Luke 21 was for future readers (us) but some of those things already happened years ago.
The world as we know it, is sliding down on a greased pole into hell.
How much of Luke 21 is directed towards the believers that lived thousands of years ago and how much of it is directed towards us living in the here and now?????
Many people have tried to set dates on when Christ will return, and when the 7-year tribulation will begin. If your calculations are correct and this year passes by and the tribulation has not begun, then what? Do we set a different date? Many people in the past have set dates on the return of Christ, and those dates passed by with nothing happening. Are we even supposed to be setting dates on Christ's return?
If I may share this with you, in Matthew 24:34, it says, "Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled." People have taken the word generation and some have said that a generation is 40 years, some say 70 years, and some say 120 years, and then they predict a date on when Christ will return, and those dates have come and gone. You have put 80 years from May 11, 1949 as the date Christ will return.
Well, the problem with that is that this word generation has no association with years at all. The word generation means race or kind of people. GENEA is the word, and it means a race or kind of people.
GENEA has nothing to do with years. It is a race or kind of people. Basically, what Jesus is saying here, is this kind or race of people, (the Jews), shall not pass away until all these things be fulfilled. They are His elect. They are His protected people, His chosen people, and He will fulfill His promises to them.
While it is true that Israel was proclaimed to be a nation by President Truman on May 14,1948; it is important to realize that Israel was not considered to be a sovereign state by the rest of the world until the United Nations recognized Israel to be a nation one year later on May 11, 1949.
Therefore, the Fig Tree Generation did not formally begin until May 11, 1949, which would mean the year Christ will return to earth to rule for 1,000 years would be 2029.
We can look for the 7 year tribulation to begin later this year in 2022, more than likely in September around the Feast Of Trumpets (at the end of the current Shmetah Cycle), or in October around the Day Of Atonement.
Secondly, I do not see anywhere in John 14 the teaching of a pre-trib rapture. I see where Jesus will come for us and we be with him forever but I do not see a timeline, the hour that he comes for us.
Matthew 24:29-31, Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the son be darkened, and the moon shall to give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
I Thessalonians 2:15-16, For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with hem in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
II Thessalonians 2:1-3, Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ,a nod by our gathering together unto him, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
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The youtube channel 'Servus Christi' does an very methodical expounding of the rapture question. If you type in his channel name and 'rapture' it will pop up.
Blessings!
There of course are issues with many who have for decades now tried to pinpoint a date. Now; it would appear the last generation didn't start in 1948 according to the Psalm 90:10 principle. I have a theory on that as well. The point is; He is with us until the end of the Age. Those who need to be warned are those not prepared; not those who love the Lord. If we are wrong there they will deal with whatever happens as they always have; in faith. But from my observations; the faithful are browbeaten about being strong enough to endure the Tribulation. I am convinced all the preparation is fruitless for that; although wisdom surely should determine resources now if He tarries with eventual power grid; food supply and wartime scenarios. There is a proverb that he who is wise winneth souls; and "he who sows in tears will reap in joy" or something to that affect. ( Psalm 126:6). We should strive to be faithful servants until He returns; not as the unwise who gets drunk and beats his fellowservants!
Although I also believe in a Pre-Tribulation rapture, I do not think that Luke 21:36 would show proof of that. Also, I am not too sure about John Chapter 14 giving definitive proof. Are you referring to John 14:3 by chance? Some people think John 14:3 is the rapture of the church, and some people think it is the second coming of Christ. Personally, I believe that it describes the time when we receive Christ. Jesus says He's leaving but He is coming back, that where Jesus is, we will be also. And where is the Lord right now? If we've received Christ, He lives in us. We are that dwelling place. We are that mansion!
I read the guidelines for comments and agree with them, however one important point is missing honesty/truth.
I hope my comments are taken seriously and not dismissed as unimportant because I don't believe that that state is not of God.
Headlines:
*Israel is ready to strike Iran, Defense Minister Benny Gantz said Thursday, as tensions between the two countries continue to mount.
*Israel warns Tehran is only '10 weeks away' from acquiring weapons-grade materials
For the past 40 years Israel has been repeating this mantra of crying wolf.
Israel is not behaving in its best interests against Iran. Instead of brokering peace, they welcome evil with threats of attack. Let's not forget Iran takes part in the sacking of Israel ( Ezekiel 38:7), so any offensive can be costly.
Headlines:
*Israel is ready to strike Iran, Defense Minister Benny Gantz said Thursday, as tensions between the two countries continue to mount.
*Israel warns Tehran is only '10 weeks away' from acquiring weapons-grade materials
For the past 40 years Israel has been repeating this mantra of crying wolf.
Headlines:
*Israel is ready to strike Iran, Defense Minister Benny Gantz said Thursday, as tensions between the two countries continue to mount.
*Israel warns Tehran is only '10 weeks away' from acquiring weapons-grade materials
For the past 40 years Israel has been repeating this mantra of crying wolf.
Many believe in the seven years at the end times. Those seven years are taken from the seventy-week prophecy given to Daniel. My advice is to study.
.
Daniel 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
Seven weeks + threescore and two weeks = 69 weeks this is when Messiah (Jesus) first comes, when He is baptized. The next verse tells us the Messiah is cut off (crucified) after 62 weeks, this was when the restoration and repairing of the walls, streets, and gates of the city of Jerusalem by Ezra and Nehemiah ( Nehemiah 2:8-17; 4:17). Troublous times when their enemies tried to stop the building ( Nehemiah 4:7) the first 7 weeks. We know Jesus' ministry was 3.5 years.
This is 3.5 years past 69 weeks so that puts Jesus' crucifixion in the middle of the seventieth week.
I posted a 3-part post on this a few weeks past may you can pull it up and may it help you study this. Not all of Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21, what Jesus is saying is about end times.
Jesus did cover part about end times but some was telling His Apostles which we see in Mark there were only four, what they were going to have to face before the destruction of the temple. What Jesus said at first before they ask Him, not one stone would be left on top of another.
There was much of what Jesus said happened before the temple was destroyed, Wars, earthquakes, famines, false prophets, check out Simon in Acts 8, and there were more. The apostles were put in prison, beaten, and killed.
The main fact, if sixty-nine and one-half weeks is shown in scripture that has already past, you cannot put a full week at end times.
RLW
Number one and number three in my previous post should both say three and one-half years. This has happened to me before where I've typed in the correct number but when I hit the submit button, it changes what I typed. But anyway, this seven year period is divided into two three and a half year periods. The entire seven years is known as the tribulation period. The last three and a half years are known as the Great Tribulation.
I personally keep my eyes on Israel as a time peace. and the Apostasy going on and decay spiritually world wide. I don't associate none of these viruses with anything in Revelation. But I see a condition of peoples heart looking similar to the heart of those during the times of Noah. During these troubling times it has no effect on the Lost. I'M NOT SAYING WE ENTERED THOSE DAYS TO COME. Let me make that clear! But what I am saying their hearts is already in this condition.
Mathews 24:38. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark.
Noah preached 120 years while building the ark and all he could get saved out of that world was 8 souls. they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, Going on about everyday life like it is nothing happening' You would think this virus would bring fear upon people and make them consider their ways and turn to God. However a lot has been manifested during this pandemic. you sort of see a sifting going on.
And that's in the Church!! The world is carrying on the way the world does, We commit fornication by bringing the world into the the Church and leave off worshipping in truth and in Spirit and start worshipping the work of our own hands! Our self created views and join to anyone that believe on them as well. Noah never left off building neither shall we, Can you imagine the mockery he endured?!!
And that is why you see we're under so much attack when getting the Gospel out.
GOD BLESS.
I always thought that Luke 21 was for future readers (us) but some of those things already happened years ago.
The world as we know it, is sliding down on a greased pole into hell.
How much of Luke 21 is directed towards the believers that lived thousands of years ago and how much of it is directed towards us living in the here and now?????