The Bible does not give us an answer to that but we know the number was at least 6. We know the names of the four brothers, but we are not given the names of the sisters (plural), so there had to be at least two. So it was at least 6 or more.
alex1939...Hiya Guy Gbu very good question...Jesus had no sin but according to the law he cd not offend in any place till all was fulfilled...Moses law cd not be offened in any place till all was fulfilled..I come not to do away with the law but to fulfill the law...Moses law said that 2 turtle doves had to be washed by running water and the Jordan was running water and 1 of the doves had to be a sacrficial Dove...He had to be killed and his blood sprinkled on the living bird...Thats what the dove the H.G. was trying to tell us when he descended on Jesus...And John said he that has the bride is the bridegroom...Husbands love your wives as Christ LOVED THE church and gave his life for it..One dove had to give his life for the living bird...Thats y that dove descened on Jesus....Jesus had no sin but he had to be washed by running water b/c of Moses law...In Song of Solomon the 2 lovers are Christ and the Church and they refer to each other as having doves eyes...Jesus was our sacrificial Dove that had to be washed by running water the Jordan and killed and his blood sprinkled on the living bird the Church...Then the living bird was set free in an open field..Whom the son sets free is free indeed..As the king sets at his table my spicknard sends forth a sweet smell..thats when Mary broke the alabaster box sending a sweet smell all thru the house...Moses law said that if the leperous house was made clean a sweet smell had to be OFFERED UP all thru the house...Jesus was in the house of Simon the leper when Mary broke her alabaster box...We are all in the house of Simon b/c of sin..But Jesus said you are made clean by the word i have spoken unto you..Jesus answers to that sacrificial dove whos blood was sprinkled on the living bird the Church...As Jesus was the living word made flesh and blood..But it was only b/c of the law of Moses that Jesus was water baptised..Not for sin...Jesus cd not offend, thus he became our sacrificial dove..Thats y the dove descended on Jesus.
I can speak a little on Jesus' baptism. I do agree with the things GiGi has shared in that the triune nature of God was revealed during His baptism.
But as far as Jesus being baptized to be cleansed of sin, you are correct in saying He has no sin. So we can rule out that as being the purpose for His baptism.
If we look at Matthew Chapter 3, we see Jesus coming to John to be baptized by him. But John didn't want to do it.
In Matthew 3:15, Jesus answers and says to John, allow it to be for now, for thus it becometh us to fulfill all righteousness. Then he suffered, (or allowed) Him.
Notice it says becomes "us" to fulfill all righteousness.
It is the fulfillment of Exodus 29:4. to fulfill all righteousness! And there are some things that are very interesting about Jesus' coming.
At 30 years of age, that is the age of the priesthood. According to Numbers 4:30, it was 30 years of age.
The priest had to go through a MIKVEH, (a baptism). They had to be baptized from head to toe. The washing, or the MIKVEH of the priesthood is in Exodus Chapter 29 Verse 4.
But, Moses was supposed to do the baptizing! That is interesting because here is John the baptizer standing there and Jesus says this is for "us" to fulfill all righteousness.
And so John is stepping in the place of Moses and baptizing Jesus for the priesthood. The anointing of the priesthood is in Exodus 29:7. They were anointed with oil.
Now all of this information is to bring us back to our text. Jesus was 30 years of age, and in order for Him to officially, according to the law, enter into His priesthood according to the Jews, He would have to be baptized.
So that is why He was baptized, not to be cleansed from sin, as you rightfully said, but to fulfill a requirement for Him to enter into His ministry.
Why did Jesus get baptized? Matthew 3:15...And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to FULFIL ALL RIGHTEOUSNESS. Then he suffered (baptized) him.
Jesus was our example. He did no sin, but he went through the process he expects us to go through. As for the Holy Ghost, it appeared in the bodily shape of a dove. And remember God spoke saying, "this is my son in whom I am well pleased." What this shows you is God the Father, God the Son, and the Holy Ghost (or as some say, The Trinity). God is not Jesus and Jesus is not God. They are two seperate beings.
John 1:1...In the beginning was the Word (notice the capitalization), and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
I submit to you God as in God the Son. Not God the Father. I have the same last name as my father, but I'm NOT my father. Hopefully that makes sense.
Genesis 1:26...And God said, Let us (us means more than one, so who else was he talking to? Jesus! Remember, he was from the beginning) make man in OUR (there's another word that means more than one) image, after OUR likeness: and let them have ominion...
You are right, Guy, Jesus as big fully God from eternity was consubstantial with the Father and the Spirit and at conception, as bring fully human, He was full of the Spirit in His human nature, too.
The baptism of Jesus happened to reveal to us the Triune nature of God, I believe. God is everywhere present, therefore each Person of the Godhead is everywhere present. But also, while being omni-present, each Person of the Godhead can be specifically present in a point in time and place and in us while still being everywhere present. Jesus' baptism is a good example of this.
In Luke 3: 21-22 it speaks of John baptizing Jesus and the Holy Ghost coming down from heaven in the form of a dove. Didn't Jesus already have the Holy Ghost because he is consubstantial with the Father? and why did he seek out John and need to be baptized and cleansed of sin when he was without sin? Or is this baptism symbolic of something else?
I also knew someone who was somewhat overweight, not obese, though; they too changed their diet and were cured of type 2 diabetes.
The Lord still is the "Lord Who heals us"! If we all think about it, it's staggering to think of the many sicknesses we've recovered from, and of the many injuries we've sustained that have mended! God has healed us over and over! It's NOT the treatment or medication that saves us! They could not help us without God using them to help us! Praise the Lord.
At the same time, I know many people who are struggling with health issues who have not been healed..yet. But they WILL be, either here or in heaven! :) One day there will be NO sickness, no pain, no sorrow, no struggle, not battles as we have now. Above all, we will be forever in our Father's house, and behold the face of Jesus, and follow Him wherever He goes! We have EVERYTHING to look forward to, all because of Jesus! Praise the Lord!
Matthew 4:23, Matthew 9:35, Luke 9:1,2,11, 1Corinthians 12, Psalms 6:2, Matthew 10:1,8, Mark 9:23, Mark 9:14-29, Mark 16:17-18,
I have also noticed the Laws given Moses in Deuteronomy, Leviticus, etc. about what GOD said not to eat many of those proven to causes of health problems. I know someone that changed diet & cured her diabetes.
Adam Sir there is something I've learned at times about myself and others, a man convinced against His Will is of the same opinion still, i.e. Or we will think and convince ourselves to be dead right and be dead wrong. This applies to anything.
Ann People reading into things what God calls in Romans 1 The imaginations of men, once individuals meaning myself also start going down the road I think it means this or that, it begins a slippery slope, in the temptations in luke Satan said to Jesus Christ If Thou Be The Son Of God, Jesus Christ Had no doubt Who He Was Or The Power and Authority He Had but if He would have Questioned or Doubted, we would never been redeemed. Alsp notice His Reply on all points, which should be our reply It Is Written. My perspective.
I'm going to kindly point out a contradiction in your words.
You wrote: "I did not make any comment on Scriptures I quoted in my post, because Scriptures explains Scriptures."
But in your comment you wrote this explanation: "There was a multitude of angels in the Garden of Eden and there was also a ruler in Eden, a Cherub. They all rebelled against GOD - the Word is GOD - and they corrupted themselves as is wwritten in..."
Then in the same comment you wrote: "John the Apostle brings us a deep revelation"
It seemed your major point was that you were *only* sharing scripture and not your own interpretation, but the only problem with that point is you did insert your own interpretation, not just once, but twice. Also, cherry picking scripture in itself in response to a point shows your own interpretation, because you used only limited selections of scripture.
You also wrote: "Your thinking and argument is from a human perspective, not from God's perspective."
How do you and only you claim to know God's perspective? You just completely made up something not even in the Bible- that eve had relations with satan and had kids, which is totally outrageous and not found in the Bible- only in your own head.
Your claim was refuted by scripture. You used 4 references that you misinterpreted and I shared 9 scripture references that refuted your interpretation.
Oseas My last perspective spiritually jesus Christ said judge not for thall shalt be judged also, not to go finding faults in others but check your first, also there is none good but God, these are scripture to. Over and out
In my post that you replied I only ask: What does the Word of GOD say?
I did not make any comment on Scriptures I quoted in my post, because Scriptures explains Scriptures. I work with the Word of GOD. The Word is GOD. I do not know word more powerful than the Word of GOD.
GOD weigheth the spirits in balances. Your thinking and argument is from a human perspective, not from God's perspective. He that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from above is above all, and what he hath seen and heard, that he testifieth- John 3:v.31-32 .
Before or face the Word of GOD, the source you suggest for me to search is straw, it is insignificant, the witness of GOD is greater, understand? For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit: and these three are One.
1 Cor.2:v.11 - What man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of GOD knoweth no man, but the Spirit of GOD. GOD has made ministers not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter kills, but the spirit gives life.
According Proverbs 27:v.6, Faithful are the wounds of a friend or of the one who loves, than the kisses of the one who uses deceit.
James 5:v.19-20KJV
19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;
20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.
1Peter 4:v.17-18KJV
17 For the time is come that Judgment must begin at the house of GOD: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?
May our Lord GOD bless and keep us, and give us His protection
My advise is that you wipe out those thoughts with the Blood of Jesus. ANY VOICE that ACCUSES God of impropriety, is Satans Voice. Anyone that attempts to mislead others, is a demonic mouthpiece.
Let it go. Stay in here and learn scripture and Truth. Truth is a person; Jesus.
"I am the Way, the Truth, the Life. No one comes to the Father, but by ME."
Hopefully this is helpful
The Bible does not give us an answer to that but we know the number was at least 6. We know the names of the four brothers, but we are not given the names of the sisters (plural), so there had to be at least two. So it was at least 6 or more.
You are very welcome. I'm glad I could share.
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I can speak a little on Jesus' baptism. I do agree with the things GiGi has shared in that the triune nature of God was revealed during His baptism.
But as far as Jesus being baptized to be cleansed of sin, you are correct in saying He has no sin. So we can rule out that as being the purpose for His baptism.
If we look at Matthew Chapter 3, we see Jesus coming to John to be baptized by him. But John didn't want to do it.
In Matthew 3:15, Jesus answers and says to John, allow it to be for now, for thus it becometh us to fulfill all righteousness. Then he suffered, (or allowed) Him.
Notice it says becomes "us" to fulfill all righteousness.
It is the fulfillment of Exodus 29:4. to fulfill all righteousness! And there are some things that are very interesting about Jesus' coming.
At 30 years of age, that is the age of the priesthood. According to Numbers 4:30, it was 30 years of age.
The priest had to go through a MIKVEH, (a baptism). They had to be baptized from head to toe. The washing, or the MIKVEH of the priesthood is in Exodus Chapter 29 Verse 4.
But, Moses was supposed to do the baptizing! That is interesting because here is John the baptizer standing there and Jesus says this is for "us" to fulfill all righteousness.
And so John is stepping in the place of Moses and baptizing Jesus for the priesthood. The anointing of the priesthood is in Exodus 29:7. They were anointed with oil.
Now all of this information is to bring us back to our text. Jesus was 30 years of age, and in order for Him to officially, according to the law, enter into His priesthood according to the Jews, He would have to be baptized.
So that is why He was baptized, not to be cleansed from sin, as you rightfully said, but to fulfill a requirement for Him to enter into His ministry.
Jesus was our example. He did no sin, but he went through the process he expects us to go through. As for the Holy Ghost, it appeared in the bodily shape of a dove. And remember God spoke saying, "this is my son in whom I am well pleased." What this shows you is God the Father, God the Son, and the Holy Ghost (or as some say, The Trinity). God is not Jesus and Jesus is not God. They are two seperate beings.
John 1:1...In the beginning was the Word (notice the capitalization), and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
I submit to you God as in God the Son. Not God the Father. I have the same last name as my father, but I'm NOT my father. Hopefully that makes sense.
Genesis 1:26...And God said, Let us (us means more than one, so who else was he talking to? Jesus! Remember, he was from the beginning) make man in OUR (there's another word that means more than one) image, after OUR likeness: and let them have ominion...
The baptism of Jesus happened to reveal to us the Triune nature of God, I believe. God is everywhere present, therefore each Person of the Godhead is everywhere present. But also, while being omni-present, each Person of the Godhead can be specifically present in a point in time and place and in us while still being everywhere present. Jesus' baptism is a good example of this.
Thank you.
I would seek deliverance from the spirits of diabetes. God bless you!
Kelly
The Lord still is the "Lord Who heals us"! If we all think about it, it's staggering to think of the many sicknesses we've recovered from, and of the many injuries we've sustained that have mended! God has healed us over and over! It's NOT the treatment or medication that saves us! They could not help us without God using them to help us! Praise the Lord.
At the same time, I know many people who are struggling with health issues who have not been healed..yet. But they WILL be, either here or in heaven! :) One day there will be NO sickness, no pain, no sorrow, no struggle, not battles as we have now. Above all, we will be forever in our Father's house, and behold the face of Jesus, and follow Him wherever He goes! We have EVERYTHING to look forward to, all because of Jesus! Praise the Lord!
I have also noticed the Laws given Moses in Deuteronomy, Leviticus, etc. about what GOD said not to eat many of those proven to causes of health problems. I know someone that changed diet & cured her diabetes.
Hopefully this is helpful
I'm going to kindly point out a contradiction in your words.
You wrote: "I did not make any comment on Scriptures I quoted in my post, because Scriptures explains Scriptures."
But in your comment you wrote this explanation: "There was a multitude of angels in the Garden of Eden and there was also a ruler in Eden, a Cherub. They all rebelled against GOD - the Word is GOD - and they corrupted themselves as is wwritten in..."
Then in the same comment you wrote: "John the Apostle brings us a deep revelation"
It seemed your major point was that you were *only* sharing scripture and not your own interpretation, but the only problem with that point is you did insert your own interpretation, not just once, but twice. Also, cherry picking scripture in itself in response to a point shows your own interpretation, because you used only limited selections of scripture.
You also wrote: "Your thinking and argument is from a human perspective, not from God's perspective."
How do you and only you claim to know God's perspective? You just completely made up something not even in the Bible- that eve had relations with satan and had kids, which is totally outrageous and not found in the Bible- only in your own head.
Your claim was refuted by scripture. You used 4 references that you misinterpreted and I shared 9 scripture references that refuted your interpretation.
Scripture debunked your own claim. God bless...
Adam
In my post that you replied I only ask: What does the Word of GOD say?
I did not make any comment on Scriptures I quoted in my post, because Scriptures explains Scriptures. I work with the Word of GOD. The Word is GOD. I do not know word more powerful than the Word of GOD.
GOD weigheth the spirits in balances. Your thinking and argument is from a human perspective, not from God's perspective. He that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from above is above all, and what he hath seen and heard, that he testifieth- John 3:v.31-32 .
Before or face the Word of GOD, the source you suggest for me to search is straw, it is insignificant, the witness of GOD is greater, understand? For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit: and these three are One.
1 Cor.2:v.11 - What man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of GOD knoweth no man, but the Spirit of GOD. GOD has made ministers not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter kills, but the spirit gives life.
According Proverbs 27:v.6, Faithful are the wounds of a friend or of the one who loves, than the kisses of the one who uses deceit.
James 5:v.19-20KJV
19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;
20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.
1Peter 4:v.17-18KJV
17 For the time is come that Judgment must begin at the house of GOD: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?
May our Lord GOD bless and keep us, and give us His protection
Amen
Let it go. Stay in here and learn scripture and Truth. Truth is a person; Jesus.
"I am the Way, the Truth, the Life. No one comes to the Father, but by ME."