Hello Vicki. Ps. Dollar would have quoted from Malachi 3:8-10. He would probably also have said that this passage pertained to Israel who neglected to perform all that was required of them. In one passage ( Deuteronomy 12:6,11), the LORD instructed Israel that when they got to the Promised Land, that all their sacrifices, offerings, tithes, & vows were to come over as well & nothing to be left behind or undone. But in Malachi, the tithes that were made (the tenth of their farm produce gain) were not being brought forward & kept back by them. These tithes were needed & used by the priests & Levites serving at the Tabernacle for their support.
This command of tithing wasn't given nor applied to the Church, as the Church (at least in New Testament times), didn't have paid clergy or even a rented building & utilities supplied. Their giving was for the needs of one another & maybe their community ( Acts 2:41-47), thereby fulfilling the Command of Christ to love the LORD thy God and to love your neighbour as yourself. But as the Church grew & spread, the Apostle Paul made the believers aware that some of their Jerusalem brethren weren't doing so well in material things. So Paul sometimes collected stuff to take to them ( 1 Corinthians 16:1-3). So apart from these instances of providing relief to those in need, we don't read that tithing was practised. Rather, that Christians should not give grudgingly but willingly & cheerfully ( 2 Corinthians 9:6-8).
So, as much as tithing is not prescribed for the Church today, I believe that it should be a proper & sacrificial response to help in the support of a Church ministry, that now has far more expenses than the early Church. And not limited to a tenth on one's earnings, but also to share more if possible for other programs & missionary endeavours of the Church. But we're not limited to giving ten percent nor are we compelled to do so.
Pastor Creflo Dollar, has spoken in the last few days about Tithing. Pastor stated that Tithing isn't necessary/mandatory etc. I know some where in Malachi talks about tithing. My question is, is he correct?
First understand that in ancient times, if you wanted to give your inheritance to someone other than him, the language is, so and so( The firstborn) I gave hated. So and so, (The person now receiving the inheritance, or the inheritance of the firstborn.) I have loved.
Romans 9:11 makes it clear that this "change of inheritance" (I.e. the Gentiles receiving the foremost position in Gods eyes and not the nation of the Jews), and thus Essau losing his position as the firstborn, had nothing at all to do with his actions as the decision was made prior to the birth of the twins.
What Essau did or didn't do had nothing to do with anything other than God illustrating the fact that being in the firstborn position, as Israel was, is a decision God made. Not to condemn Essau, but to illustrate His extension of mercy to those who didn't deserve it. Israel, and Essau both, did deserve the judgement through there own actions, LATTER ON, but the decision to graft in the Gentiles, and give the inheritance that was due to the Israelites as disintegrate Essau was made before those actions were in any way justified. In Gods foreknowledge He KNEW the choices that would be made. And God knew that by Israels rejection, and thus offering salvation/mercy to the Gentiles, He could then offer salvation and mercy back to Israel. Rom 11:11-24.
Note: there is no evidence that Essau did not repent of His sins and didn't come to God. Just as there is no evidence that quite a few from the nation of Israel did not turn to Christ, and even more from that nation will be grafted into the kingdom even in revelation.
Esau was also called Edom, Genesis 36:1, please read: Obadiah 1, whole chapter
Note: Obadiah 1:10-14 "For the violence against thy brother Jacob shame shall cover thee, and thou shalt be cut off forever. In the day that thou stoodest on the other side, in the day that the strangers carried away captive his forces, and foreigners entered into his gates, and cast lots upon Jerusalem, even thou was one of them. But thou shouldest not have looked on the day of thy brother in the day he became a stranger; neither shouldest thou have rejoiced over the children of Judah in the day of their destruction; neither shouldest thou have spoken proudly in the day of distress. Thou shouldest not have entered into the gate of my people in the day of calamity; yea, thou shouldest not have looked on their affliction in the day of their calamity, nor have laid hands on their substance in the day of their calamity; Neither shouldest thou have stood in the crossways, to cut off those of his that did escape; neither shouldest thou have delivered up those of his that did remain in the day of distress."
The difference between the saved and lost is seen in their attitudes towards God. Those who hear God's voice and reject it due to a greater love for sin will be damned. Those who hear God's voice and reject their sin in favor of receiving Jesus as their Savior will be saved.
Esau revealed his attitude toward God in the matter when he spoke disrespectfully of the things and promises of God and openly chose the immediate satisfaction of fleshly desires over the promised future blessings of an inheritance from God.
The last wars will be fought by Israel and the Palestinians ( maybe Russia and China too.)
LET ME POINT OUT THAT ISRAEL ISN'T EVEN 10 MILES WIDE.
we're talking about a future 200 million man Army assembling to kill every person in Israel.
I believe the Ark of The Testament; Which is in heaven for now; see Revelation 22. It's in heaven with the Tree of Life :) We will see it at the Last War, when Jesus returns as the Lamb__with His Bride.
ESAU AND JACOB__COVENANTS AND WARS PART 1 - In Reply on Malachi 1 - 2 years ago
Genesis 25-27: Tells the story of Esau and Jacob. Jacob and Rebekah worked together to cheat Esau out of his birthright as elder son. Esau made it easy because he'd rather have a bowl of stew than his birthright. He only fought for it when he saw it given to Jacob.
It seems wrong but Esau had no regard for those things until he realized what He had done. It says God HATED Esau for the treachery. This doesn't sanction cheating and treachery. It teaches that when God gives you a blessing, don't throw it away on something temporal.
Esau left Jewish culture and married into other culture and religion. However, to this very day, Esau is still trying to get his blessing away from Jacob. (God changed Jacobs name to Israel.)
The wars in the Mid-East today, are still about the Covenants God made with Abraham and of Abraham's wife SARAH. Ishmael received his own blessing from God. ( Genesis 15 & forward). God clearly explained borders inside the Covenant.
Ishmaels descendants (Palestinians) want everything God gave Israel through the Abrahamic Covenant. Jews have returned to Israel and now the land (the Fig Tree Jesus spoke of), is fertile and blooming. This is prophesy being fulfilled NOW. It's no secret. google it. I followed Esaus descendants to the eastern lands of Israel: a very difficult study.
The Palestinians are making deals with Russia; Russia is making deals with China. Search CHINA in the search engine. 3 scriptures say the Pestilences origins are China and mid-east lands. You gotta use ancient maps with the ancient country names on it.
Begin reading the Bible alongside the news, or even Google news. GOD will not allow Israel to be "wiped off the face of the Earth,"
As some countries threaten daily.
They do not accept Gods plans for the "end of days."
You can pick up Esau's history by googling Esau's geneology. You'll need to Google ancient maps too.
Studies lead to eastern Israel and Palestinian lands.
I deal with a lot of people who try to push the black Israelite theory. I know that the Caucasian version of Jesus we see in most churches is the false AntiChrist version and actually Apolloyon, but at the same time I feel like certain passages are taken out of context when describing the appearance of the Son of Man, as well as the appearance of Noah who is said to be in God's image as well. In the book of Enoch(which is scripture in my eyes), Noah is described as:
And his body was white as snow and red as the blooming of a rose, and the hair of his head and his long locks were white as wool, and his eyes beautiful. And when he opened his eyes, he lighted up the whole house like the sun, and the whole house was very bright. 3. And thereupon he arose in the hands of the midwife, opened his mouth, and conversed with the Lord of righteousness. 4. And his father Lamech was afraid of him and fled, and came to his father Methuselah. 5. And he said unto him: 'I have begotten a strange son, diverse from and unlike man, and resembling the sons of the God of heaven; and his nature is different and he is not like us, and his eyes are as the rays of the sun, and his countenance is glorious.
John of Revelation describes the Messiah as:
His body was like beryl, his face like the appearance of lightning, his eyes like flaming torches,his arms and legs like the gleam of burnished bronze, and the sound of his words like the sound of a multitude*. Daniel 10:
"His head andHis hairwere whitelike white wool,like snow....His feet were likeburnished bronze..."
His skin is also said to have looked like Chrysolite;
My point is, this description of the Son of Man was of his HEAVENLY form and was very much otherworldly and not like any flesh and blood human. Lamech describes his son Noah as having this same otherworldly appearance. But said his skin was white. So I don't believe this shows us he was black. I think the earthly version of the Son of Man was middle eastern
Its simple God hates.....And in this verse is specifically talking on Esau the progenitor of the "edomites" aka the Caucasian race.. another reference is Romans 9:13
I am that Michael Isaac Dale on Malachi 1 - 5 years ago
The wicked man blasphemes my Holy Father whose name IS JEALOUS. Who of this world, the last or the next, shall provoke the only true GOD; and profit? It is written, The great day of the LORD is near, it is near, and hastens greatly, even the voice of the day of the LORD: the mighty man shall cry there bitterly. For jealousy is the rage of a man: therefore he will not spare in the day of vengeance.
The dark prince who wants to ascend the throne. Be cautious about what scriptures you read. The one's of the "jealous" Lord is the dark prince. He's angry because Mother doesn't favor him. His ways are always to destroy the work of others. He is like a little boy eager for affection. In Heaven, all ignored him. So he went to the mortal world as an angel and demanded the mortals to obey him.
This book of Malachi is something else....it makes me jealous for Christ and the Father. This seems to be about the latter days and the heathen nations that , even now, seem to be praising Him and His Name more so than his own people do...Me? Guilty as charged.
If the current bunch in power do start to rebuild (which is Edomites then and now)...thus saith the Word(s) of God
Jesus says how can ye being evil speak good things. There is no good fruit that can come from MAN,Only Christ can sow that good seed that will bring forth good fruit which is GOD in us,THE SON OF MAN, MEANING MANKINDS FRUIT VIA THE GOOD SEED,WHATSOEVER A MAN SOWS THAT SHALL HE REAP, CHRIST IS SOWING THE GOOD SEED THE VERY SEED OF GOD IN OUR HEARTS AND TO WHOM THE WORD CAME IT MADE THEM GODS, SORRY
"..if ye offer the blind for sacrifice, is it not evil? and if ye offer the lame and sick, is it not evil?" Like the man who WILL NOT go to the door and enter the right way but tries to sneak in some other way; the man who doesn't come to God through Jesus with a good and honest heart by giving account of himself as God sees him and thoroughly repents and is converted; he will be rejected as evil.
Alex; once again I guess I had some hope, where it was apparently unjustified. "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink." "A fool is wiser in his own conceits than seven men who can render him a reason." The Lord may yet have patience, and let you draw this out as long as you think it can go; but afterwards it will show by the strength of the building what were those materials.
Disciple a good man is our new inner man born by his SPIRIT, His seed planted in us yields that GOODMAN WHICH IS The H.G. THAT GOODMAN HAS TO COME VIA HIS SEED WHICH IS THE LIVING WORD.NO HUMAN IS THAT GOODMAN.OUTTA THE HEARTS OF MAN PROCEEDS ALL MANNER OF EVIL THERE WAS NONE RIGHTEOUS NO NOT ONE,THERE IS NO GOOD MAN BUT GOD.TO WHOM THE WORD CAME IT MADE THEM GODS. ONLY GOD IS THAT GOOD MAN . GBU
"And if ye offer the blind for sacrifice, is it not evil? and if ye offer the lame and sick, is it not evil?" In Matthew 23, the Lord Jesus publicly rebukes the stupidity and hypocrisy of Judaism, and thereby every man-made form of religion used instead of walking with God in truth in His Spirit in the Name of JESUS. Jesus heals the blind the lame and the sick if they will come to Him for healing.
We have to remain as living sacrifices pure and holy before our God. Our God is holy and He demands that we be holy. Anything which is not holy is disgusting before God. We must also walk in righteousness and obedience. These are the sacrifices which God is looking from us to give Him with a clear conscious.
"And if ye offer the blind for sacrifice, is it not evil? and if ye offer the lame and sick, is it not evil?" How is it that so many fancy themselves saved Christians, yet have no idea or care about God's absolute hatred and intolerance of sin and uncleanness? And if any rebuke the sin and protest to them out of the Scriptures, they cry out in self defense, You're full of pride! You're so mean!
This command of tithing wasn't given nor applied to the Church, as the Church (at least in New Testament times), didn't have paid clergy or even a rented building & utilities supplied. Their giving was for the needs of one another & maybe their community ( Acts 2:41-47), thereby fulfilling the Command of Christ to love the LORD thy God and to love your neighbour as yourself. But as the Church grew & spread, the Apostle Paul made the believers aware that some of their Jerusalem brethren weren't doing so well in material things. So Paul sometimes collected stuff to take to them ( 1 Corinthians 16:1-3). So apart from these instances of providing relief to those in need, we don't read that tithing was practised. Rather, that Christians should not give grudgingly but willingly & cheerfully ( 2 Corinthians 9:6-8).
So, as much as tithing is not prescribed for the Church today, I believe that it should be a proper & sacrificial response to help in the support of a Church ministry, that now has far more expenses than the early Church. And not limited to a tenth on one's earnings, but also to share more if possible for other programs & missionary endeavours of the Church. But we're not limited to giving ten percent nor are we compelled to do so.
Romans 9:11 makes it clear that this "change of inheritance" (I.e. the Gentiles receiving the foremost position in Gods eyes and not the nation of the Jews), and thus Essau losing his position as the firstborn, had nothing at all to do with his actions as the decision was made prior to the birth of the twins.
What Essau did or didn't do had nothing to do with anything other than God illustrating the fact that being in the firstborn position, as Israel was, is a decision God made. Not to condemn Essau, but to illustrate His extension of mercy to those who didn't deserve it. Israel, and Essau both, did deserve the judgement through there own actions, LATTER ON, but the decision to graft in the Gentiles, and give the inheritance that was due to the Israelites as disintegrate Essau was made before those actions were in any way justified. In Gods foreknowledge He KNEW the choices that would be made. And God knew that by Israels rejection, and thus offering salvation/mercy to the Gentiles, He could then offer salvation and mercy back to Israel. Rom 11:11-24.
Note: there is no evidence that Essau did not repent of His sins and didn't come to God. Just as there is no evidence that quite a few from the nation of Israel did not turn to Christ, and even more from that nation will be grafted into the kingdom even in revelation.
Esau was also called Edom, Genesis 36:1, please read: Obadiah 1, whole chapter
Note: Obadiah 1:10-14 "For the violence against thy brother Jacob shame shall cover thee, and thou shalt be cut off forever. In the day that thou stoodest on the other side, in the day that the strangers carried away captive his forces, and foreigners entered into his gates, and cast lots upon Jerusalem, even thou was one of them. But thou shouldest not have looked on the day of thy brother in the day he became a stranger; neither shouldest thou have rejoiced over the children of Judah in the day of their destruction; neither shouldest thou have spoken proudly in the day of distress. Thou shouldest not have entered into the gate of my people in the day of calamity; yea, thou shouldest not have looked on their affliction in the day of their calamity, nor have laid hands on their substance in the day of their calamity; Neither shouldest thou have stood in the crossways, to cut off those of his that did escape; neither shouldest thou have delivered up those of his that did remain in the day of distress."
Obadiah 1:6, Malachi 1, Deuteronomy 2:22, Jeremiah 49:7-22, Judges 11:17, 1Kings 11:14-25, Ezekiel 25:12-14,
Romans 9:13-15,
Hopefully these are helpful also, towards more understanding of why GOD said Esau HE hated.
The difference between the saved and lost is seen in their attitudes towards God. Those who hear God's voice and reject it due to a greater love for sin will be damned. Those who hear God's voice and reject their sin in favor of receiving Jesus as their Savior will be saved.
Esau revealed his attitude toward God in the matter when he spoke disrespectfully of the things and promises of God and openly chose the immediate satisfaction of fleshly desires over the promised future blessings of an inheritance from God.
LET ME POINT OUT THAT ISRAEL ISN'T EVEN 10 MILES WIDE.
we're talking about a future 200 million man Army assembling to kill every person in Israel.
I believe the Ark of The Testament; Which is in heaven for now; see Revelation 22. It's in heaven with the Tree of Life :) We will see it at the Last War, when Jesus returns as the Lamb__with His Bride.
Streetpreacher
It seems wrong but Esau had no regard for those things until he realized what He had done. It says God HATED Esau for the treachery. This doesn't sanction cheating and treachery. It teaches that when God gives you a blessing, don't throw it away on something temporal.
Esau left Jewish culture and married into other culture and religion. However, to this very day, Esau is still trying to get his blessing away from Jacob. (God changed Jacobs name to Israel.)
The wars in the Mid-East today, are still about the Covenants God made with Abraham and of Abraham's wife SARAH. Ishmael received his own blessing from God. ( Genesis 15 & forward). God clearly explained borders inside the Covenant.
Ishmaels descendants (Palestinians) want everything God gave Israel through the Abrahamic Covenant. Jews have returned to Israel and now the land (the Fig Tree Jesus spoke of), is fertile and blooming. This is prophesy being fulfilled NOW. It's no secret. google it. I followed Esaus descendants to the eastern lands of Israel: a very difficult study.
The Palestinians are making deals with Russia; Russia is making deals with China. Search CHINA in the search engine. 3 scriptures say the Pestilences origins are China and mid-east lands. You gotta use ancient maps with the ancient country names on it.
Begin reading the Bible alongside the news, or even Google news. GOD will not allow Israel to be "wiped off the face of the Earth,"
As some countries threaten daily.
They do not accept Gods plans for the "end of days."
You can pick up Esau's history by googling Esau's geneology. You'll need to Google ancient maps too.
Studies lead to eastern Israel and Palestinian lands.
Matthew 24, Luke 21.
And his body was white as snow and red as the blooming of a rose, and the hair of his head and his long locks were white as wool, and his eyes beautiful. And when he opened his eyes, he lighted up the whole house like the sun, and the whole house was very bright. 3. And thereupon he arose in the hands of the midwife, opened his mouth, and conversed with the Lord of righteousness. 4. And his father Lamech was afraid of him and fled, and came to his father Methuselah. 5. And he said unto him: 'I have begotten a strange son, diverse from and unlike man, and resembling the sons of the God of heaven; and his nature is different and he is not like us, and his eyes are as the rays of the sun, and his countenance is glorious.
John of Revelation describes the Messiah as:
His body was like beryl, his face like the appearance of lightning, his eyes like flaming torches,his arms and legs like the gleam of burnished bronze, and the sound of his words like the sound of a multitude*. Daniel 10:
"His head andHis hairwere whitelike white wool,like snow....His feet were likeburnished bronze..."
His skin is also said to have looked like Chrysolite;
My point is, this description of the Son of Man was of his HEAVENLY form and was very much otherworldly and not like any flesh and blood human. Lamech describes his son Noah as having this same otherworldly appearance. But said his skin was white. So I don't believe this shows us he was black. I think the earthly version of the Son of Man was middle eastern
Please follow Gen. 25:33; 27:27-30; 28:13; 29:33; 32:30; Deut. 21:15; Luke 14:26; Rom. 9:13.
Seek, and ye shall find ( Matthew 7:7).
In His Service.
Andy & Dianne van den Berg, Nova Scotia, Canada
Thank you
Yours truly
If the current bunch in power do start to rebuild (which is Edomites then and now)...thus saith the Word(s) of God