A lot can be said about this topic Lets see what is written in the Gospel about it.
1 Corinthians 9:1-18.
Apostle Paul clearly states that God gave the right who they teach the Gospel to live from the Gospel. But Paul denied that privilege and worked with his own hands to meet his and his accompanions' needs although sometimes he accepted help from the churches he established. i.e Thessalonians.
Acts 20:32-35
During the meeting with the elders from Ephesus he suggests that they follow his example.
So yes the right to live from the church is given by God (but nowhere in the New Testament that right is defined as 10%, on the contrary everybody may give anything he wants, 2 Corinthians 9:7) but the best thing is to follow Paul's example.
In the congregation i attend, the bishop, the elders and the deacons have a job to live from and get nothing from the church. The members of the church give every Sunday anything they want and can to meet church's expences. 2 Corinthians 9:7
Finally being a bishop IS NOT AND SHOULD NOT BE A PROFFESION just like all the other ones to live from.
Rebecca, here is another prophecy of the TENTH or the tithe to God.
Isaiah 6:12 And the LORD have removed men far away, and there be a great forsaking in the land.
Isaiah 6:13 Yet in it (the land) shall be a TENTH, and it (the TENTH) shall return (with Christ), and shall be eaten: as a teil tree, an as an oak, whose (Christ) substance is in them (the TENTH), when they (the TENTH) cast their leaves: so the HOLY SEED (Christ) shall be the substance thereof.
Revelation 22:2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bear twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month, and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
Ezekiel 20:49 Then said I (Ezekiel),Ah Lord GOD! they(scriptures) say of me (Christ) Doth he (Christ) not speak parables?
Matthew 13:34 All these things spake Jesus unto the multitudes in parables; and without a parable he spake not unto them:
If you go to you tube, to the 'I think biblically' channel, search the video page for "Tithing"; Caleb has done some excellent teaching on this subject; the videos are rather short, but full of excellent explanation! Praise the Lord!
Rebecca, our pastors take Malachi 3:8 out of context.
If you read the previous chapters you will see they were tithing, but they were bringing the sick and lame and spoiled grains unto the priest as their tithe. The priest had no land inheritance, therefore the tenth of the harvest, the VERY BEST OF THE HARVEST, was theirs.
Only products of the land were tithed, salaries and works of man's hands were not tithed.
All of this was done as a shadow of the TRUE.
Christ is calling out the tithe or first fruits of the harvest now, in this age.
Malachi 3:3 And he (Christ) shall sit as a refiner and purifier of silver, and he (Christ) shall purify the sons of Levi (the priest), and purge them as gold and silver, that they (the priest) may make offer into the Lord an offering of righteousness.
1 Peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood .....
1 Corinthians 15:23 But every man in his (God's) own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterwards they that are Christ's at his coming (CHRIST IN YOU).
Romans 8:23 ....which have the firstfruits of the Spirit ....
Revelation 14:4 ....being the firstfruits unto God an to the Lamb.
about Malachi 3:10, why is it used so readily by pastors for tithing? When in
2 Corinthians 9:7
"Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.", And in
1Peter 5:2-3 2 Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind; 3 Neither as being lords over God's heritage, but being examples to the flock.
In Mal: 3:10 You have written that there might be meat in my storehouse. The word is mete, which means allotment or measure. A storehouse was a place where they stored crops from the harvest. It had nothing to do with mammon. That food was not just for the levites or priest either.
There were actually three different tithes also. The Families, widows, the orphans, and the poor and foreigners, were included in the tithes. Today it is mammon, mammon, mammon. Many churches today are not transparent. There has to be clarity about where God's money is going.
In Luke 6:38 many preachers and evangelist use that scripture to get people to give money. That scripture is not about money. It is about mercy. They tell the people not to take scripture out of context and yet do so themselves. I hope that was helpful.
God bless Rick do not know if you saw the 700 club report on youtube today with the CIA about China and the set up of crpto currency.Mark of the beast.When I saw it I thought of Jesus in Mathew 24:8 And these are the begining of sorrows.
Malachi 3:16. Then they that feared the LORD spake often one to another: and the LORD hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance WAS WRITTEN BEFORE HIM FOR THEM THAT FEARED THE LORD, AND THAT THOUGHT UPON HIS NAME.
THEM THAT FEARED THE LORD AND
THAT THOUGHT UPON HIS NAME!!.
When you put it context with verses 1-15 you see the proud and wicked of Jacob "Israel" tempt God and think that they could get by with it.
Malachi 3:1-15.
Here in verse 16 I think you have a remnant that feared the LORD and thought/Considered the LORD in service.
16) Then they that feared the LORD spake often one to another: and the LORD hearkened, and heard it.....
And a book of remembrance was written of them.
FOR THEM THAT FEARED THE LORD, AND THAT THOUGHT UPON HIS NAME
Whats Written the Book of Remembrance - In Reply on Malachi 3 - 2 years ago
You, "Google Malachi 3:16 Commentaries"
I like the "Bible study tools" link
God has a book of Remembrance in which it is recorded what believers talk about. Our conversations which each other will please, or be a displeasure.
It reminds ME to take control of what comes out of my mouth. Faith or Faithlessness; condemnation or prayer that situations will improve, if I be patient and wait on God, etc.
If I speak negative, I hear it with spiritual ears; and I counter that with truth and words of faith.
Angels are writing in the Book. Wouldn't it be great to read a book someone wrote about us_ saying and doing things that bless and do not curse?
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God bless you for sharing your wisdom on hear Let us take it through the chat as we read the bible again leaving Holy breadcrumbs along the way for people to follow o o o o o oo o oo reading learning sharing o o o o o o o God's love and wisdom for his people.If people read the bible there would be no cults they could not stand up to God's free thought.o oo ooo oooooo ooooo oo ooo See everyone in Genisis 7-9 o o o o o ooo ooo o o
My old doc told me baking soda in water is safer than new stomach meds with their side effects.
The baking soda neutralizes acid and the stomach becomes more alkaline.
Adding a little table sugar to tomato sauces; gas producing vegetables (raw carrots, raw peppers), gets rid of the gas and bloating. I put a half tsp sugar in my ketchup.
Lemon water helps kidneys not make stones or gravel. Good for diabetics too.
My real real old doc (allergy doc) said anything that upsets your stomach badly, you are probably allergic to it. That way you can avoid skin testing for allergies.
Ok Rick went back to Revelation 3 about the churches that think they are clean Please Check it out as to our original thread.God bless keep the light on we never know when he is coming back for us! and Revelation 7:14
Yes I have read about this but God bless you for putting it on here.There are many things to be learned if you keep seeking as God has told us to.But beware of rabbit holes,and remember to take it to a intelligent debate.We try to get out everyday in the sunshine but had have to look out the window right now 40 below.Just saw a movie on youtube called the switch 1993 that may help people suffering from depression in a wheel chair paralyzied.Christian parents.true story.Back to your comment.Was feeling sick sneezy running nose diahreah.Took it to prayer online praise God then with God's guidance ,and wisdom hit it with everything learned.Here it is baking soda and water,frankensense,myyr,Natures shield,Zinc,neem leaf tablet.All glory to God praying this will help someone else with a viral infection in Jesus name.Amen Feeling much better now.
That's an interesting thought. I do believe I read that sunshine is the best way for our bodies to get Vitamin D. So getting outside and getting some sun and fresh air is definitely for our betterment. Thanks for reminding me as I sit in our home with snow on the ground for the past week. It is beginning to melt, so hopefully in a few days it will be gone and I can get back outside!
Brother Rick 1 Corinthians 13:13 And now abideth Faith,Hope,Charity,but the greatest of these is Charity.TL Christians do not follow the herd they follow the word.Mathew 4:4 And Jesus said it is written Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.TL I believe this means with God do everything you can to protect yourself ,and others in all ways allowed by God! Prayer
fasting,Masks, cleanliness ,frankensence,myrr,antiviral, antibacterial,plants that can heal, burnt toast for upset stomache.The list goes on but would like to see others join in as everyone has something to offer!Have started reading the bible again now with Mathew Henry 1710 comments and would like to see more people joining so we as a body can keep ourselves on the right path.Have not been feeling very well the last few day's so asked for prayer at online church ,and felt a touch from the spirit when I read the prayers.Which was wonderful! NOW I just have to put the armour on ,and move forward in the Holy Spirit to be a light to the lost.Let's keep growing ,asking,receiving,believing.God Bless to all who read this!
Rick I do believe we are saved from the wrath by our faith in the blood of Jesus for our sins.But not tribulation as all the apostles suffered for Christ and God refines us in the fire of many temptations we need prayer to work out our own salvation prayer with others for others and for ourself.In fear and trembling.If this is not tribulation ,and grooming for the mark of the beast to come what do you see it as? In my lifetime 63 years I have never seen anything that has ever resembled this world today!And the closeness of our Lord and saviour coming back soon!
Tim That is not the gathering together of the body of Christ spoken of in Thessalonians and Corinthians, because
no where do you read in the church epistles where the sun will be darkened and the moon won't give her light at
the time of the gathering together of the born again believers. What your reading is in the book of revelation where
Christ comes back in judgement of mankind. We the body of Christ have already been judged redeemed and made the righteousness of God In Christ. So therefore we are saved from the wrath to come.
Rick God bless Mathew 24:29-30 The church or the believers will be raised up after the tribulation is what the word of God says unless God takes us to heaven or sooner as a thief in the night keep your armour on and lamp filled for we really do not know when our time is! May God watch over you and guide your path in Jesus name amen.
1 Corinthians 9:1-18.
Apostle Paul clearly states that God gave the right who they teach the Gospel to live from the Gospel. But Paul denied that privilege and worked with his own hands to meet his and his accompanions' needs although sometimes he accepted help from the churches he established. i.e Thessalonians.
Acts 20:32-35
During the meeting with the elders from Ephesus he suggests that they follow his example.
So yes the right to live from the church is given by God (but nowhere in the New Testament that right is defined as 10%, on the contrary everybody may give anything he wants, 2 Corinthians 9:7) but the best thing is to follow Paul's example.
In the congregation i attend, the bishop, the elders and the deacons have a job to live from and get nothing from the church. The members of the church give every Sunday anything they want and can to meet church's expences. 2 Corinthians 9:7
Finally being a bishop IS NOT AND SHOULD NOT BE A PROFFESION just like all the other ones to live from.
Isaiah 6:12 And the LORD have removed men far away, and there be a great forsaking in the land.
Isaiah 6:13 Yet in it (the land) shall be a TENTH, and it (the TENTH) shall return (with Christ), and shall be eaten: as a teil tree, an as an oak, whose (Christ) substance is in them (the TENTH), when they (the TENTH) cast their leaves: so the HOLY SEED (Christ) shall be the substance thereof.
Revelation 22:2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bear twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month, and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
Ezekiel 20:49 Then said I (Ezekiel),Ah Lord GOD! they(scriptures) say of me (Christ) Doth he (Christ) not speak parables?
Matthew 13:34 All these things spake Jesus unto the multitudes in parables; and without a parable he spake not unto them:
Blessings!
If you read the previous chapters you will see they were tithing, but they were bringing the sick and lame and spoiled grains unto the priest as their tithe. The priest had no land inheritance, therefore the tenth of the harvest, the VERY BEST OF THE HARVEST, was theirs.
Only products of the land were tithed, salaries and works of man's hands were not tithed.
All of this was done as a shadow of the TRUE.
Christ is calling out the tithe or first fruits of the harvest now, in this age.
Malachi 3:3 And he (Christ) shall sit as a refiner and purifier of silver, and he (Christ) shall purify the sons of Levi (the priest), and purge them as gold and silver, that they (the priest) may make offer into the Lord an offering of righteousness.
1 Peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood .....
1 Corinthians 15:23 But every man in his (God's) own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterwards they that are Christ's at his coming (CHRIST IN YOU).
Romans 8:23 ....which have the firstfruits of the Spirit ....
Revelation 14:4 ....being the firstfruits unto God an to the Lamb.
GBU
2 Corinthians 9:7
"Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.", And in
1Peter 5:2-3 2 Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind; 3 Neither as being lords over God's heritage, but being examples to the flock.
There were actually three different tithes also. The Families, widows, the orphans, and the poor and foreigners, were included in the tithes. Today it is mammon, mammon, mammon. Many churches today are not transparent. There has to be clarity about where God's money is going.
In Luke 6:38 many preachers and evangelist use that scripture to get people to give money. That scripture is not about money. It is about mercy. They tell the people not to take scripture out of context and yet do so themselves. I hope that was helpful.
but i'm not buying that the son of perdition or the Antichrist or the tribulation times are happening now.
Is it building up without question but we the believers in the body of Christ making intercession is the only
thing from the enemy cutting loose in my scriptural understanding. Also scripturally 2 Thessalonians 2:12
that they all who believed not can't include the saints or believers in the Body of Christ.
Malachi 3:16. Then they that feared the LORD spake often one to another: and the LORD hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance WAS WRITTEN BEFORE HIM FOR THEM THAT FEARED THE LORD, AND THAT THOUGHT UPON HIS NAME.
THEM THAT FEARED THE LORD AND
THAT THOUGHT UPON HIS NAME!!.
When you put it context with verses 1-15 you see the proud and wicked of Jacob "Israel" tempt God and think that they could get by with it.
Malachi 3:1-15.
Here in verse 16 I think you have a remnant that feared the LORD and thought/Considered the LORD in service.
16) Then they that feared the LORD spake often one to another: and the LORD hearkened, and heard it.....
And a book of remembrance was written of them.
FOR THEM THAT FEARED THE LORD, AND THAT THOUGHT UPON HIS NAME
God bless
I like the "Bible study tools" link
God has a book of Remembrance in which it is recorded what believers talk about. Our conversations which each other will please, or be a displeasure.
It reminds ME to take control of what comes out of my mouth. Faith or Faithlessness; condemnation or prayer that situations will improve, if I be patient and wait on God, etc.
If I speak negative, I hear it with spiritual ears; and I counter that with truth and words of faith.
Angels are writing in the Book. Wouldn't it be great to read a book someone wrote about us_ saying and doing things that bless and do not curse?
Sometimes I am my worst critic.
I feel sick watching someone eat a steak barely warm and real bloody, yuck.
I don't like over processed foods with too many additives. I make my own breads. Who wants bleach in their flour?
The baking soda neutralizes acid and the stomach becomes more alkaline.
Adding a little table sugar to tomato sauces; gas producing vegetables (raw carrots, raw peppers), gets rid of the gas and bloating. I put a half tsp sugar in my ketchup.
Lemon water helps kidneys not make stones or gravel. Good for diabetics too.
My real real old doc (allergy doc) said anything that upsets your stomach badly, you are probably allergic to it. That way you can avoid skin testing for allergies.
Cinnamon toast is medicinal :D
all believers in God endured, but there's coming a time the tribulation period where the age of grace will end
and that time frame will not be pretty.
of God made the righteousness of God in Christ. According to 1 Corinthians 15:51-54 we are going to be changed
in an instant and have incorruptible bodies like His. Also our sins are forgiven because of the payment of Jesus Christ.
In the book of Revelation the places where saints are mentioned is in reference to the ones separated by holiness and
all positive. We by Gods deliverance through Jesus Christ have been redeemed or bought back by God called to be His
sons and daughters and BORN AGAIN OF INCORRUPTiBLE SEED, His Word when we believed. Since the book of
revelation deals with Jesus Christ return to JUDGE mankind and condemn all unrighteousness the central theme is not
the Church of God. The opening in revelation says to his servants which is what Israel was called to serve God, we in the
church serve our brothers and sisters in Christ and mankind but out relationship spiritually is as sone and daughters. Just
stating the scripture.
Blue light like PC's, cell phones reverses the good of real sunshine.
Something about red light from the sun is purer than red lights from lamps.
fasting,Masks, cleanliness ,frankensence,myrr,antiviral, antibacterial,plants that can heal, burnt toast for upset stomache.The list goes on but would like to see others join in as everyone has something to offer!Have started reading the bible again now with Mathew Henry 1710 comments and would like to see more people joining so we as a body can keep ourselves on the right path.Have not been feeling very well the last few day's so asked for prayer at online church ,and felt a touch from the spirit when I read the prayers.Which was wonderful! NOW I just have to put the armour on ,and move forward in the Holy Spirit to be a light to the lost.Let's keep growing ,asking,receiving,believing.God Bless to all who read this!
unbelief we are surrounded with in this world. Also God does not give us mental pressure this is our adversary
trying to set us up to draw us away from Gods Word and walking by the spirit.
the only blockage that is stopping the adversary from so to speak cutting loose is that the born again
believers of the Body of Christ praying and interceding and carrying out the ministry of reconciliation
hasn't been taken out yet. When that happens what were seeing now is nothing compared to when
the tribulation or when the SON of Perdition rises up and cuts loose. There's a lot of things happening
against Christ but there is a difference between things against Christ and THE ANTI CHRIST biblically.
no where do you read in the church epistles where the sun will be darkened and the moon won't give her light at
the time of the gathering together of the born again believers. What your reading is in the book of revelation where
Christ comes back in judgement of mankind. We the body of Christ have already been judged redeemed and made the righteousness of God In Christ. So therefore we are saved from the wrath to come.
yet and that's when the tribulation begins.
I believe we are in tribulation going on the third year and a great harvest of souls is coming are we ready to do our part?For the revivial!