Mark Chapter 13 Discussion Page 6

3 life giving spiritual relationships are made desolate by 3 abominations. These are attacks of man to man, man's spiritual to physical nature and man to God. The Great whore is the mother of abominations who indulges in self-service, - Serve God alone -, causing one to live for bread alone, ignoring the Word of God. Pride jumps off the tower, tempting God, by accepting occult power where the Retainer is received, where it ought not to be. The Great whore desolates man to man, beast desolates the spiritual nature by the physical. Revelation 13:13, the Holy Place desolates the sanctuary, the Holy Sepulcher, where the Holy Fire is received. Better bring some oil in your lamps, and endure to the end. This is what it does, and its effects, and where it takes place. We may now be able to heed the warning to flee, when we see it standing.

@Elizabeth Lee,
Verse 32- Here again we must know the period of time and which Jesus is making reference to. This is why one must find a good bible believing church to help in the study of the scriptures ( Acts 8:26-35). This is another parable as in all parables that Jesus uses a physical to explain a spiritual.
1. If Jesus is not God, there is no hope of us being saved and we are lost in our sins and destined for eternal hell ( I Corinthians 15:12-19);
2. When Jesus is making reference to the Jews he is known as the son of man (verse 34). Jesus is informing us that we can know the season when we are getting close to the 2nd advent by watching is real (fig tree) and other events in the world;
3. As the son of man he is 100% man and that part of the divine nature was just not privy to the exact day and hour of Christ returns;
4. We are to be in ready mode at all times, this is why it is called living by faith not by sight ( II Corinthians 5:7);
5. There are some of God’s divine nature he chose not to bring with him when he came to earth as our saviour and I suppose this was one of them.

@Shannon,
When reading the gospels, one must remember to rightly divide the bible into periods of time, and knowing the group of people the book, chapter and verse(s) are directed to. This chapter as is Matthew 24, and Luke 21 are mostly prophetic for the Jews in the future, after rapture of church age Christians only. Jesus is talking about what the spiritual and earthly conditions will be like just before the 2nd advent. Some of these prophecies have already began and will increase as we get closer to the 2nd advent. The key verse to understand is verse 14, which directly speaking of the anti-Christ that will break the peace covenant ( Daniel 9:27) with the nation of Israel that was signed about 31/2 years earlier. Then the anti-Christ which came in bringing peace ( Daniel 11:24) will begin to slay the Jews by the millions (about 14 millions) more than twice as many as Hitler did. And they are given here a warning to start fleeing Israel to Selah Petra (present day Jordan) south of the dead sea to escape the slaughter that is going on and where God will divinely provide for them until Christ’s return. The great tribulation time will begin in verse 14, which is what you can read about in Revelation 4:1 (rapture of the Christians) to Revelation 19:11-16 (the 2nd advent).

Does this verse mean the second coming won't happen in the winter or on the Sabbath day?

This chapter has made me understand how Jesus wants his children to be aware of his coming and not to give up but should be prepared in mind heart and in spirit, otherwise, that day will come surprisingly. Also I understand that because He was on earth He was flesh like humans and everything He did is what the Father (Spirit) told him to do and since the father did not tell or mention to him about the time of He, the son is coming for judgment, He too obediently did not want and could not say anything because He was flesh at that time, instead of all the three being of the Father to be God the Father God the son and God the Holy spirit. Hence it does not mean Jesus being the God says he doesn't know the time He is coming for the elect children. But just be aware that He is coming very soon as promise and all the signs are already happening. So why won't he come.

God the Holy Father will Join God the Son in Revelation 22 on the Throne.

William chabot`s I think you should really read verse 18 and think about it. If the elect the Ones that stood with God and He loves them and are going to put on the gospel armour on and will stand and are going to fight the head of the dragon up till Christ return at the end of the harvest why would you want to think to fly in the winter? Read Zechariah 5 and Ezekiel 13 both are latter days spoken of and don't believe foolishness.don't listen to pretenders who are told of in Jeremaiah 23 and 24. God tells us of these preachers speaking and making up stuff to get money. These rapture ministers don't care who they sent to the pit as long as their pockets are full. Be wiser than the serpent. That is the antichrist lie, to fly!

I found the voice of Elijah on this Bible at the bottom of a page or you can google it. On the free pamplet 7 steps to salvation page 34 and 35 gives you a good view of God. All Larry d. Harper pamplets are good to read. AntiChrist is the first church old Testament teachings and are based on 7 years but if you know Gods word you can read the good parts and come out a head.

Scripture says God is OUR Father. Reading scripture you will see only through Christ we will be excepted. God hates His enemies. Jesus is our Lawyer. The only way you can get to heaven to live with God is through Christ. God loves His Elect. Them that stood with Him against satan at the katabole (satans attempted overthrow) annd some say the corporate body believers. What we as a person must do before we end up at that Great White Throne Judge is to run the good race and shed all our sins so when Jesus speaks He says to Father, This is one of mine and i`ll keep him. Now our part is not to listen to all the pretenders, preachers. Who say I know the way and they don't know nothing about nothing but a verse or two and out there mouth speaking lies and church quarterlies that are sent to them by some kenite to pass on satans lies to keep us all busy till the end. Find a good church that teaches the truth and verse by verse learn the truth. I'm here just like you, I'm looking for the truth and this is where its at,in the Word of God.

Hey trinitainans, If Jesus is God, how come he doesn' know everything, like the last hour?Mark13:32 Also, at John 1:18 The wrighter says that God has never been seen. Ever! How do you explain Jesus? Thousands of people saw him.

14 should where he ought not. In this chapter we see the seals. As we see them in Matt. 24, luke 21. Even 2nd Thess chapter 2. They all gives us to the view of the program to come. Always remember the time was shorten to 5 months and the last 30 min. Of the hour of temptation satan will be here defacto when Michael boots him out of heaven. The time was shorten in Revelation 9 and said twice. Plus it is as the time of No-e or Hebrew Noahs time and that was the flood of water for 5 months. This is a flood of lies for 5 months. As far as the Time, time not known until all are borned into the flesh. Season, harvest. A scorpians sting, o.k. when a scorpian stings to kill and eat the scorpian has no stomach so it shoots a fluid in and bust down the inside of its victem to mush so it can be absorbed into the scorpian. These locust priest with their soft long hair spoken voices waring their iron priest breastplates like the jews use to do with 12 stones in them will sweet talk you to their instead of Christ or antichrist or their jesus and in Rev. 9 it says they will tare your soul away like a lion. Don't be part of the system because that's helping satan along. Don't buy or sale for 2 and half months. Wait for the true Christ.

Mark 13:28, see Jeremiah 24. It's unfortunate that it would seem this is overlooked, considering it's a direct order from Chist to learn this parable. And concerning the comments prior to this one, "2 in the field, one is taken and the other stays working, blessed is he who stays working in the field" to those who are waiting on a rapture I bid you to dig a little deeper, for that is satan's message when he comes as anti-christ. Ezekiel 13:18 describes how "you have sewn kerchiefs over ever digit of my outstreched saving arms" and "I am against those who teach my childrn to fly to save their souls" of course I'm paraphrasing but check out the manuscripts, you may find it interesting especially when you compare them to so-called "new translations"

By now may 21 has come and gone and those who thought this date was the rapture will be disappointed. But don't be upset, Jesus is coming. The bible does tell us that no one knows only the father however he does gives us the signs in the natural world of earthquakes, famines, wars etc. Watch for the mark of the beast which is Sunday law. Gods true sabbath is the seventh day, Saturday. Look it up, the Vatican admit that they changed the day and all the Protestant world followed. I test you to google this. This is trampling on gods law. Please search this

You ask how I KNOW...GOD IS OPENING EYES,,THE SEALS ARE OFF THE BOOK...you WILL regret. And it will be like a scorpion sting to them ,especially when they see the truebelievers being raptured...YOUR ENEMIES WILL BEHOLD YOU....PRAISE GOD !!

NO MAN KNOWS IS A SIGN.

You must know that EVERY WORD CAME FROM THE MOUTH OF GOD,Dictated to those who,Matthew Luke etc....are in it.UNDERSTAND THIS...We know nothing till our spiritual eyes are open..look at PAUL,understand the scales that fell from his eyes.UNDERSTAND who the children of light are..they are warning.. WHAT is your authority to say it isn't MAY.21,2011. DO THE MATH BRETHEREN.

Thanks for your comment. I have 2 questions:

1. Where in the Bible does it say May 21st, 2011 is the end of the world?

2. How can someone claim to know the specific day when the Bible itself says ‘no man knows’ the day it will come? Are you saying the Bible is then incorrect, because you claim to know, or is it more likely that you actually don’t know the date? (many people in the past have made predictions of the end of the world and they are all wrong)

MAY.21,2011 We NOW know the time...PRAY NOW.TURN,and REPENT. FOR GOD IS OPENING OUR EYES....LEAVE THE CHURCHES !

The abomination of deso;ation is satan ....and he stands in the temple. ie.the churches....the Holy Spirit left the churches in 1988.GOD has installed him and his ministers of unrighteousness..SO,that they believe a lie...PLEASE GOD LIFT THE VEIL FROM THEIR EYES.... PRAISE JEHOVAH !!!!

Here is another proof that Jesus is not God. He did not know tha hour and the day. Jehovah God was the only one who knew about it.

Dearly Beloved: Once again I'm selecting a topic for tommorrow's message at my church. The topic is:"lest He find us sleeping". The Bible speaks that we should awake and be alert at all times. There are times when fatigue and other factors cause us to sleep! The Holy Spirit is able to awaken us! He will come as a "thief in the night". In Gethsamane Jesus asked Peter, James and John why they could not tarry one hour?

The world has fallen in a deep Satanic induced sleep and have forgotten The Lord's exhortation to "Watch" and "Pray" lest ye enter into temptation! Some just don't want to hear a preacher tell them to "wake up".

Pastor Stephen W. Pyle
Elkins WV

The destruction of the temple spoken of in Mark 13:1 has absolutely nothing do do with the Roman destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD. Some of the stones still stand, enough in fact to be called the "Wailing wall or the West wall" of the temple. The temple Christ is referring to is the spiritual temple of the earthly, corporate representation of the Kingdom of God which was the nation of Israel in the Old Testament era and the churhes and congregations of the New Testament era . These two entities are synonmous with one another all throughout the Bible. The temple is the churches that have been completely destroyed spriritually as evidenced by Satan being installed to rule the churches as He is the "Abomination of Desolation" spoken of in Mark 13:14. The Pre- Millinal teaching that the vast majority of churches teach has deceived and spiritually crippled those in their understanding of end time events and is a conjured doctrine that has been used by Satan and his ministers of righteousness to keep those in the churches thinking that Judgment Day is far off and that so many pre-millinial ideas must first come to pass before the end. Don't believe Pre-millinalism. Compare Scripture with Scripture and do not look at what is going on politically as evidence for the end. As God wills, more later.