Mark
King James Version (KJV)
Mark Chapter 3 Discussion Page 4
Viewing page: 4 of 7
< Previous Discussion Page Next Discussion Page >
Do you have a Bible comment or question?
Posting comments is currently unavailable due to high demand on the server.
Please check back in an hour or more. Thank you for your patience!
So if this hasn't happened with you, then no; you have not received the gift of the Holy Ghost, yet.
But the good news is you can still ask & seek the Father in prayer & praise for His promise.
Who told you that you had received the Holy Ghost because you felt peace..the bible? Or a man?
Since you avoided confirming the first question I posed to you, I will take it that you believe in a "trinity" of gods, & that you were baptized by a man who said, "I baptize you in the NAME of the Father Son and Holy Ghost " and never said the one NAME given among men by which we must be saved.
These words will either serve as a testimony for you or against you on judgement day. For your sake I pray it will be the former. Either way, your blood is off my hands.
Be well Richard
Thank you for your time.
God Bless.
Pardon my redundancy but since this is a dalvation issue allow me to confirm; you have been baptized in the name of Jesus Christ (and not the titles Father Son and Holy Ghost) for the remission of sins?
Verily what you said that The Father (God), The Word (God) and the Holy Ghost (God) are one. However, if you happen to believe that the word; Word actually means Christ, or Son of God, then unfortunately you have been deceived by rome's sorcerers/ theologians. JOHN 1:1 KJV 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Amen.
The word, Word means written or spoken unit of communication. Just like these words I am writing to you here. They are my word (aside from my Father's word -1 Perer 4:11 :) and they are with me.
In summary, getting back to the original question at hand: yes, the Holy Scriptures clearly show that every time someone received the Gift of the Holy Ghost in the book of Acts, the initial manifestation and evidence of it is that they would speak in an unknown tongue (be it of men or angels) and prophesy and magnify God, Hallelujah! This is not to misconstrue the initial evidence of having received the Gift with the individual 'gift of diverse tongues' or being able to speak in known languages of men without ever having learned them (Paul speaks of this in 1 Corinthians 12).
So yes, in summary, all who receive the gift of the Holy Ghost will speak in an unknown tongue as the Spirit gives them utterance. However not all have the gift of diverse tongues. Covet the best gifts.
I hope this helps you so that you can press in in prayer and praise and receive the Gift, as Jesus said in Luke 11:13 13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?
Amen.
We don't want to boast of a false gift as that would make us like what is spoken of in Proverbs 25:14, & Jude 1:12 if we continue.
Be well
I will just leave the verse from Jesus Christ instead of saying it myself. Matthew 12:36-37.
God Bless you.
Although is this not what this discussion was about? Needing to speak in "tongues" to know you have the Holy Ghost? Please correct me if I'm wrong.
God Bless.
As I agree with you there are many false teachers/doctrines out in the world today. The only one I feel is not false, although can be taken out of context like anything, is the trinity. Only meaning the Father, the Word, and Holy Ghost are one. Tri(three) +unity(joined/one)= the word trinity. Which I believe.
Let's stay on track with what we began to discuss though. Being "tongues" is needed to prove, or show, you have the Holy Ghost? If this is off please correct me.
Your question of "have I been baptized in the name of Jesus Christ" is yes.
Thank you. God Bless.
Just as brother Paul asked John's disciples @ Ephesus in Acts 19, "unto what were ye baptized?" When they said they had not even heard of the Holy Ghost for He had not yet been poured out during the time of John the Baptist. We need to tell as many professing Christians as we can. This is how Christian's confess Christ (to others) to be saved after baptism as per Romans 10: 9, it's not a one shot deal. Praise God!
What you have witnessed I know not. What I do know is I myself have been Blessed to have received the Holy Ghost and I do not speak in tongues or "unknown tongues". The Spirit of Christ resides in me.
Where have you learned that speaking in tongues is "the gift"? Have you read ( 1 Corinthians 12? It explains "spiritual gifts". That there are diversities of "gifts" but the same Spirit. All unique members in the one body of Christ.
To try and move this to a higher level. What does speaking in "tongues" do for the Will of God? So your praise or prayer to the Lord is more important that my prayers? Because you don't know what your speaking but God does? I pray, praise, and give thanks from the heart as a loving child. If you have zeal for tongues, ok. I have zeal to follow Jesus Christ and do the Will of our Father in Heaven.
If you want to tell me I have not received the Holy Ghost because I don't speak in "tongues" know this. You do not know who you are posting to. You shall have to give account for your own words. Be careful.
God Bless you.
In every instance when a Christian received the gift of the Holy Ghost after the New Testament began in the book of Acts (the first Church), it was always accompanied with speaking in another tongue (Samaritans: Acts 8:16-18 , Gentiles- Acts 10:46, Jews- Acts 19:1-6).
This is the proof or earnest (token) of a Christian's inheritance ( Ephesians 1:14).
This was prophesied by the prophet Isaiah
11 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.
12 To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.
With all due respect, a Christian does not receive the gift of the Holy Ghost and is not sealed thereby the moment they believe as many lying pastors/theologians teach (along with other false doctrines like the "trinity" "once saved always saved" "purgatory" etc). Likewise a feeling of peace is not evidence you have received the Holy Ghost. While I do agree there are many that speak false tongues in emulation (primarily in the "Pentecostal/Apostolic" businesses), that does not invalidate the real thing.
May I ask you Richard (in Christ), have you been baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of your sins ( Gal. 3:27)?
Sincerely,
Andrew
I was just getting ready to post a reply but I see no need to add anything to what you just said. Amen!
I think many people are being ruined today by this teaching. My personal belief is that the "tongues" that are being taught today are not the tongues of the bible!
Just to reply on one of your statements. As living proof(myself) you do not need to speak in "unknown tongues" to know you have received the Holy Ghost. The second detail, about receiving the Holy Ghost, you stated is much more accurate and important than the first about "unknown tongues". Helping us to repent from sins of the flesh and follow the Lord walking after the Spirit.
In Acts 2 you will see it is stated "other tongues" and the people who surrounded the building understood them speaking in "our own tongues"(or their own native language). Which means it was not "unknown" babble. Also in ( 1 Corinthians 12 as it just being a specific Gift of the Holy Ghost. That not everyone receives who has the Holy Ghost. Then in ( 1 Corinthians 14 it states if "there be no interpreter" to keep silent in the church with your "tongue" gift.
It just saddens me to see some people state that you have to speak in "tongues" to know you have the Holy Ghost which is a false teaching.
Not knowing if that is what you preach. Hopefully I will receive a reply and thank you for your time.
God Bless.
Amen.
Amen.
The Holy Spirit is God the Father of the Lord Jesus Christ, the one true God ( John 17:3). You will know you have received the gift of the Holy Spirit when you speak in an unknown tongue and are filled with power to overcome sin by walking after the Spirit and not after the flesh.
As to the issue of sin and God fixing it, He sent His son to die for our sins. Peter preached the new testament gospel (as the NT didn't begin until the day of Pentecost) in Jerusalem to many of the same Jews that crucified Jesus. This Gospel is: Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. - Acts 2:38
Hallelujah! This is how one's (past) sins are remitted (in baptism, calling on the name of Jesus Christ and not the titles F,S&HS) and how one can receive power to live in victory over sin (receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost).
I'm here for you if you have any questions.
Sincerely,
Andrew
Romans 11:25-27: "For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins." And verse 26 cross references to Isaiah 59:20,21.
Zechariah 12:10: "And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn."
For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. ( Romans 7:14)
In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will. ( 2 Timothy 2:25-26)
We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not. And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness. ( 1 John 5:18-19)
Jesus Christ came to redeem us from bondage to sin and the devil:
Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works. ( Titus 2:13-14)
Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you, Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God. ( 1 Peter 1:18-21)
So, we're not the judge. We only see one side. We see injustice and want justice, right? God see's the whole picture and knows exactly what is fair for each individual. Nothing is hidden. We also want God to treat us fairly too, right, and not harshly?
The Word says blasphemy of the holy spirit is the only unforgiveable sin. In my view, I think it's having knowledge of the truth, and still deliberately turning your back on God, and denying Him and Jesus. It's possible that Judas did that. But I personally believe people who don't know better, who have grown up in a dysfunctional environment and were brainwashed to not know right from wrong and who have lived a life of sin will indeed be forgiven if they genuinely turn to follow Jesus. God knows if its genuine or not. He knows our heart.