Matthew Chapter 1 Discussion Page 2

I have been searching for direct translations into English of the words actually spoken by JESUS like the words that he used at the last supper. I have found extensive quotations in a "Gospel According to St Mathew" couple of quotes below:

(1) And he said: "Whoever finds the meaning of these words will not taste death."

(2) Jesus says:

(1) "The one who seeks should not cease seeking until he finds.

(2) And when he finds, he will be dismayed.

(3) And when he is dismayed, he will be astonished.

(4) And he will be king over the All."

(3) Jesus says:

(1) "If those who lead you say to you: 'Look, the kingdom is in the sky!' then the birds of the sky will precede you.

(2) If they say to you: 'It is in the sea,' then the fishes will precede you.

(3) Rather, the kingdom is inside of you and outside of you."

(4) "When you come to know yourselves, then you will be known, and you will realize that you are the children of the living Father.

(5) But if you do not come to know yourselves, then you exist in poverty, and you are poverty."

As you can see they do not make a great deal of sense presumably because they are out of context?

Any ideas as to where I can find more understandable direct quotations will be welcome.

Thank you

Roy

Reading through the whole Bible 2023?

It works best for me personally when I've started with 3 books like Genesis 1, Psalms 1, John 1, keeping track when stopping, to go back to each.

Please , don't allow that small annoyance to dissuade you from reading the Bible . You don't need to know and understand everyone's name , I've been reading the Bible for very many years and I don't know everyone's name and all the meanings of them and it has in no way hindered my enjoyment and instruction . My honest opinion ? If you are that easily put off then maybe you weren't that commited in the first place ? I'm sorry if that feels like a criticism , it wasn't meant to be one . Reading the Bible once might give you a basic understanding , for me though it's a life long relationship . Once you pick it up on one day , you will be picking it up every day for the rest of your life so there's no drastic rush to understand it all first time round . Be patient , relax and enjoy it , take your time over it and think about what you have read every day after you have finished reading it . It really is a treasure to be kept close to your heart .

The names are very difficult to understand and I believe if it was a way for someone to pronounce the names in English a person could receive a better understanding and be more encouraging in reading the scriptures.

Deuteronomy 23,

words translation ( bow' ) using the Strongs Exhaustive Concordance & comparison in this site, the same word is used for each scripture= meaning to come. If read within the meanings; points to Jesus in Matthew 1,

Interesting

Alex1939...Gi-Gi thanks for the inquiry of my family...I have 3 girls and 3 boys...14 grandchildren and 24 great grandchildren...They have all been with me on my trips to India back in the 60's cept the 2 youngest....Preaching the gospel of Christ in you the hope of glory...Been to India 3 times preaching the Gospel...As an ex Pentacostal non Demoninational Preacher...But I gave up on all that when i received the revelation of the manchild the H.G. That is gonna be born in all of humanity...That New Covenant in the blood of Jesus ...Now I AM trying to turn the hearts of the Fathers to the Children ( Jesus Children) the H.G. the Children of PROMISE...An ISRAEL OF GOD...As Jesus said that which is born of the spirit tis spirit...thats the H.G. that is gonna be born in us via his good seed the words of that New Covenant...The Children of Promise that are the gifts of God...The H.G...I was also a missionary with Jack REED who wrote the book "We walk by faith and not by sight"...What a missionary he was...He went to over 67 countries... He just died this last yr. in Oct....But now i'm too old to go to any foreign Countries...And i believe with all my heart that my own country AMERICA needs missionaries more so then any other country...ok gbu Gi-Gi...I will pray for all of your Children Gi-Gi in the name of Jesus but also in the name of the babes and sucklings which are spirits That Israel of God that is gonna be born in us....Our new heart and new spirit....The Children of PROMISE....Unless ya receive the Kingdom of God as a lil Child your will in no wise enter there in...When they argued amongst them selves which was the greatest Jesus set a Child in their midst...He wants to set a Child in our hearts which is the H.G. That Child of Promise...The Kingdom....plz note the Kingdom does not come till the woman births the manchild...Which is the H.G. The spirit of truth that is gona reprove this whole world of sin and judgement etc...He is gonna rule this whole world...

Another thought in that vain is that since God cannot sin He had to use an entity that did in order to accomplish His purposes. He doesn't tempt anyone ( James 1:13); but His created being(s) can be used through sin to accomplish His purposes. If not allowed to sin; or having a sin nature man would have no desire or even need to be saved. Satan also can't be forced to do anything; he is limited to accomplish God's purposes or he would have ended all life on earth according to the Book of Matthew chapter 24; verse 22. Man is drawn in and enticed by his own sin; prompted by Satan so that man is without excuse. Satan is to be judged eventually fully; and blamed for the initial downfall of man; but man himself can't say the "Devil made him do it." Such was implied in Eden; the Lord knew better. He will pay; however so we shouldn't bypass that important fact. God's patience will end in His timing and all will be made right.

Some things can't be understood. I have a few thoughts here in regard to Satan's creation and fall that may be helpful.

Satan himself was created as all things as God desired; origimally as we can see from both Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28 as a "Cherubim" and song worship position to glorify God in heaven. He clearly had free will; and also clearly saw spiritual realities so that he chose to rebel after becoming proud; then drew 1/3 of the angels after him ( Rev. 12:4).

God foreknew the need for the adversary for one clear reason; to test His saints as to their loyalties. Job apparently was unaware of the heavenly discussions going on with Satan and God and that Satan was the source of his troubles. Nonetheless; He tested what Satan had accused Job of; namely cursing God when things didn't go well as well as when his body was afflicted with boils.

This testing of character could also be evident when the "thorn in the flesh" that Paul had WAS clear as to its source; nonetheless GSod's grace was sufficient and He was NOT granted the healing he prayed for 3 times. ( 2 Cor. 12:7-10).

Secondly; it is necessary to lay down our lives sacrificially for the Lord or "carry our crosses daily." ( Luke 9:23). God used Satan to bring forth the "son of Perdition" with Judas Iscariot ( John 17:12 prophesied in Psalms 109:8 and elsewhere); as well as testing Peter in Matthew 16:23. Since Satan has been granted temporary authority in this world; He has been allowed both with false doctrines and outward persecution to test the saints; and ultimately; of course the Antichrist will be used when the whole world goes through its trial ( Rev. 3:10). As God draws all men to Himself (that are His sheep); He uses Satan as a "dragnet" to draw the whole world to eventually fight Christ ( Psalm 2; Rev. 19) as well as take the Mark of the Beast and worship him.

Rewards for the saints; therefore are procured through a conflict and resistance. Spiritual warfare is where victories are won.

Alex1939...Leentje...Lemme just say this...Had Joseph been Jesus biological Father we cd not be bornagain by the seed of Joseph...We can only be bornagain of that Incorruptible Seed...Even by the words of God...But had Joseph been his biological Father Jesus wd NOT have such a heavenly Incorruptible seed..And Jesus wd have been a sinner like all men had Joseph been his biological Father...And Jesus cd not be Gods lamb if he carried the spot of any earthy being...He had to be heavenly incorruptible God in the flesh...A terrestrial being...Thats y he told the Jews you are from beneath but i am from above...You are of this world but i am not of this world....Remember what the angels told Joseph when he thought to make her a public example...FEAR NOT to take unto thee Mary as thy wife for that which is conceived in her is of the H.G....Jesus had to be God so that he cd sow his Godly seed in humanity...That all men might be bornagain of his incorruptible seed...There has to be a heavenly Birth of a Lil Child in us That Child which is the H.G. that Child of Promise...Under the law the old covenant Isaac was the Child of Promise but under this New Covenant its the H.G. that is the Child of Promise the Elect...Thats y God gives us the H.G simply b/c he is Gods Elect...Behold mine Elect in whom my soul is well pleased, he shall show Judgement to the ppl and the Gentiles...k lemme go

i like this bible the KJV is the true word of God. there can only be one bible which is the KJV 1611 all the others are false and came from the prience of darkness which is satan.

Job 12:16, Revelation 12:10, James 1:5-7,

Wise men; Matthew 2,

Hopefully these are helpful in your study

He deals with the devil to give us free will

1) If God is God why does he have to deal with the Devil at all?

2). information on the wise men who came from the east. China?

Several replies to my comments regarding the Jealousy Offering in numbers 5 are showing that they clearly did not read with comprehension. I mean that Joseph believed Mary (why would he not? Because she conceived while she was visiting her cousin Elizabeth who was having a different kind of miraculous birth: old age delivery of John the Baptist). But tongues would have obviously been wagging and he may have been contemplating performing the offering to prove to the community her innocence. But he believed her and was not jealous. Ergo was not required to do the offering. If he had any doubts all he would have done was perform the jealousy offering as the LAW DEMANDS of suspicious (just) husbands to save them self from iniquity. So he was a just man and knew the law(s). Yes. This is further proof that he had not lain with her because performing the offering would implicate him as the biological father. See what I mean? He was TRAPPED in the law. His problem: do I marry the virgin or not? There is nothing in the prophesies that say whether the virgin is married or not. So he pondered and was going to divorce her due to PRIVITY: God's equal claim to Mary and the child. He was going to void his promise in deference to another's prior claim. Look up the definition of privity (another probable root of privily). It's different than privately.

Galatians 4:4

But when the fullness of time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made "under the law",

"Quotations" mine.

Jesus was made from the ovum of Mary and made under the law (according to THE MOSAIC LAW) his father was Joseph the husband of Mary. Not because Joseph "knew" his wife but because the law says so. Hallelujah. Fully Son of God and fully Son of man as Christ himself so often reiterated.

Alex1939...Leentje I kindly disagree with you that Joseph was Jesus Father...Had Joseph been his biological Father Jesus wd had been a sinner like all men....But in that Jesus had no Propensity to sin proves that God Almighty was his Real FATHER...

And the Lamb of God cd not be defiled by any man's seed...As all men carry the stain and the spot of Adam...There was none righteous no not one...

.....Them that are born of God cannot sin...Which was Jesus the Christ Child...God cd not instruct all the angels to worship his son if Joseph was his biological FATHER...Jesus knew what was in man thats y he wd not commit himself to man...Thats y it had to be a virgin birth...As all men carry the stain and the spot of adam...The Lamb of God had to be perfect in every way...

.....Thats y Jesus said satan cometh and has nothin in me...Simply b/c no man was his biological father...Thus Jesus had no propensity to sin like all other men....k

Alex1939....Leentje...I kindly disagree, 1st off the LAMB of God cd not be tainted or defiled by any mans seed...As all men carried the stain and the spot of ADAM...None righteous no not even 1...Thats y it had to be a virgin birth...Thus it had to be an immaculate Conception...And Mary was made clean by the word spoken to her...Her fetus was Jesus the living word...Thus she was made immaculate spritually speaking...As DAVID said its the lords doings and is precious in our eyes...Not any man .

.....Thats y our lord had no Propensity to sin simply b/c God Almighty was his biological Father...The word made flesh and blood...Had Joseph been his biological father he wd have been a sinner like all men...Almighty God tells us this is my beloved son in whom i am well pleased...As Jesus was the living WORD ( God ) made flesh and blood...Acts... Feed the Church of God that he has purchased with his own blood...Not mans Blood...It was Gods Blood the blood of Jesus....My Father and i are 1...ok lemme go

.....All men have this horrible Propensity to sin. None righteous no not ONE... but Jesus had no Propensity to sin...Simply b/c God Almighty was his ABSOLUTE Father THAT CANNOT SIN...And he that is born of God cannot sin...Which was Christ Jesus.

My guess is that God chose Joseph to be Mary's husband and help her bring up His Son because He knew that Joseph was a devoted believer in Him and would recognise that Mary was still a virgin and that her baby would be the fulfillment of the prophecies in the old testament . Joseph was not chosen at random . God knew his heart and that he would be a good dad and husband but more importantly , God knew that Joseph believed in Him and in the prophecies of the old testament . He new Joseph had faith in Him and would be obedient to God's will without question .

Hi Leentje. I see two important matters arising from your comment:

a. Numbers chapter 5. The Jealousy Offering that was required involved a long process of questioning & testing. Though, as you say, Joseph would have considered this due to a possible suspicion of his wife, I don't believe he would have ever proceeded with it.

b. Matthew 1:20,21. If it were not for the angelic assurance that the Seed in Mary was implanted by the Holy Spirit & not by any man, Joseph could well have entertained other options with great despair.

Therefore, I don't believe that the matter proceeded further than this. That Joseph, with the assurance & comfort from the Lord, believed that the impossible was made possible & now became a fact; and that it was incumbent upon him to offer no further questions on the matter but accept the status quo, & honor his promise to Mary. He would then always be a guardian to the Child Jesus, though to others in the society, seen as Jesus' biological father with a clear ancestral line to David.

Contrary to most sermons that infer that the "public humiliation" that Joseph was avoiding was a publicized divorce (as opposed to a "quiet divorce" - what is the difference: like slightly pregnant?) he HAD to be pondering the Jealousy offering in Numbers 5. Suspecting infidelity, except I am positive he never doubted Mary, and this particular offering is COMMANDED for a husband to perform to avoid raising a bastard as your own offspring. The fact that Joseph would not perform this speaks to the fact that he and Mary had not yet been intimate although already basically man and wife under Jewish law: engagement required divorce to get out of. He was pondering God's claim on the child ("privity" is a legal definition regarding two parties interest in the same property). The prophecy never states if the Virgin is married. He struggled and almost made Jesus a bastard. Seriously. The jealousy offering in Mosaic law proved that Joseph is in actual LEGAL FACT the earthly father of Jesus. WOW!

When after the crucifixion and reports by some women that Jesus was risen from the dead .

Two disciples were walking from Jerusalem to Imaus in deep conversation about these things .

It is recorded " that Jesus Himself drew near "(Acts)

He "starting at Moses "began to show them in all the scriptures concerning Himself"

Jesus is in all the scriptures if you look for Him .

The first mention as always is in the book of Genesis in the garden of Eden .

For after Adam had disobeyed God and sinned ,God in His great mercy and love gave them a covering of animal skins .

( for love covers a multitude of sin) but he also gave them a promise .

For if the sacrifice of an animal and a covering of sin had restored them why need of a promise?

" The seed of the woman " A woman has no seed ,it is the man which is why we are Mankind .

But God wishing to show that this one ("it") male ("he") child would not be of Adams seed spoke of the seed of the woman .

Who would bruise the serpents head ( fatal) but in the process would suffer ,who in turn would bruise his heel "

The gospel of Jesus Christ is first mentioned in the garden of Eden .

The first man recorded who put their faith in Him is Abel . Confirmed by Paul in Hebrews .

Who offered a lamb . Thus confessing his sin ,acknowledging the righteousness of God and putting his faith in the promise yet to come . Jesus ."The lamb of God who would take away the sin of the world".

Hi Louis.

Here is just a few of many.

Genesis 3:15. And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and ( HER SEED;) it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise ( HIS HEEL.)

Genesis 22:18.

Genesis 49:10.

The Passover Lamb of God ( Exodus 12:1-28)

Leviticus teaches the way to God is by sacrifice. JESUS!

Leviticus 17:11. For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.

In the book of Leviticus you see a portrait of Christ and his work on the cross. When studying it.

It does well to go back and forward to new testament and present Christ. Especially Hebrews, That picture will paint itself.

Deuteronomy 18:15.

Psalms 22.

Isaiah 7:14.

Isaiah 9:6-7.

Micah 5:2.

Daniel 9:25-26.

Malachi 3:1.

I hope this helps.

God bless.

it is filled with Messianic Prophesies . From Ge 3 verse 15 (your offspring Jesus Christ ) verse 15 He (Jesus ) shall bruise you head (Satan , in all the books

Ask God for help , First step

Hi Louis,

There are a very many verses referring to Jesus in the O.T. I would recommend doing a web search with:

Old Testament verses that refer to Jesus?

You will get many sites that list the verses.

Where in the Old Testament talks about Jesus?

Hi.

Amen and You're welcome

Stay in the word of God and pray always. I know it's hard to do but surround yourself with people like yourself. Hungry for the word of God.

Feel free to ask further questions.

May the Lord bless you on your journey.

god bless you to and if your beginning to read the bible and prasing god and just thanking him everything just like me I recommend you to spread the word and the truth because me now being a Christian and starting the a new chapter of my life I feel a lot different and trust me this for me is not a easy process specially with me being born in a generation were kids and teens my age are so blinded by today's society that they don't see there blessing and not a lot of them praise jesus and praise god for all he has done for his children because we are all the children of god we are his creation but the world to me is so messed up that a lot of god children are so blinded and does not know the true word of god.

thank you for sending me this I really thank you and I was thinking about becoming a mother when I get older I'm only 16 now but I was watching a guy named young don where he talked a lot about Christianity and his journey of being a Christian man and he was the person who really inspired me to start reading the bible and praying the lord daily and also not only that but growing a powerful connection with god and a very strong bond with Jesus. And just thank the lord daily and ask him to forgive me for my sins not only that but I really think about all the evil things that I did in the past and how messed up I was as a human being and as a child of god now I realized how blinded I was to the world and how I always ran from god himself but I now I realized that I will no longer do such a thing and instead I will praise him and thank Jesus every single minute of the day for keeping me alive and well and also healthy and also protecting my family and me as well.

Hello, you might consider clicking on the Become a Christian link at the bottom of the site or just reading through the New Testament. God bless.

Hi Savanah.

I concur with Sammi.

As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby: 1Peter 2:2.

God bless you.