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In Luke 1:16-17 an Angel tells Johns father, "Zacharias". That he would have a son And many of the children of Israel shall he turn to the Lord their God.
And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.
John the baptist had a great crowd and devout followers and he preached the coming of their expected Messiah and King.
The pressing multitudes that had followed John continued to follow Jesus' ( Luke 5:15, Luke 12:1).
In the context of this chapter we have Jesus authenticating John's ministry.
SO THAT BRINGS US TO THE TEXT.
Mathew 11:12.
And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.
Let's look at the word violence in this text.
Greek:
Transliteration: biaz
Pronunciation: bee-ad'-zo
Definition: From G970; to force that is (reflexively) to crowd oneself (into) or (passively) TO BE SEIZED: - PRESS SUFFER VIOLENCE
The pressing multitudes that had followed John continued to follow Jesus' ( Luke 5:15, Luke 12:1).
This is what Jesus is saying "The kingdom of God suffers violence." Pointing to the huge crowds that followed John and that were now following Him, Jesus likens them to an invading army surrounding a city to capture it.
Look at Luke's account.
Luke 16:16.
The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.
( From the days of John the Baptist until now," there has been an extraordinary rush of people pressing in from all sides eager to hear the gospel that they resembled an army trying to besiege a city.)
Matthew 11:14 he says;
"And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come."
Matthew 11:12 Until the days of John the baptist till NOW the kingdom of heaven suffereth VIOLENCE, and the VIOLENT shall take IT by FORCE.
Yesterday was NOW, yesterday: Today is NOW, TODAY; and tomorrow will be NOW when it gets here.
The last day in God's word: IS ALWAYS NOW, it's been going on NOW for 2000 years. When you read and study God's Word, it is always in the sense of NOW.
The kingdom of heaven is CHRIST IN YOU, this was possible by the VIOLENCE Christ suffer for ALL mankind on the cross.
Violence has been happening "NOW" for 2000 years; NOW, today, earthquakes, pestilence, wars, death and destruction; NOW, today.
This is THE WAY God causes his people to TURN TO HIM, no one seeks him when things are going good.
Psalms 72 :14 He shall redeemer their body from DECEIT and VIOLENCE (by death on THE CROSS: you and Christ DIED THERE): and precious shall be their blood in his sight.
Revelation 18:21 The mighty angel (Christ is the angel of the Lord) and he shall take up a STONE (Christ is that stone), and cast IT (Christ) into the SEA (of humanity), saying, WITH VIOLENCE shall that great city of Babylon (your held captive in BABYLON) be thrown down (you and Christ) were crucified, and shall be found no more at all (you and Christ were resurrected as ONE NEW CREATION.
There was ONLY ONE BODY raised at the resurrection. Christ's BODY; by the spirit of the Father, was RESURRECTED.
You were married to Christ by that resurrection, you became ONE, you are NOW the body of Christ.
When you depart this body of DUST:
1 Corinthians 15:54 ... this mortal (body of dust) SHALL PUT ON IMMORTALITY .....
1 Timothy 6:16 ..... Christ ONLY hath IMMORTALITY ..... dwelling in the light ......
Death is SWALLOWED UP in VICTORY .....you have become the IMAGE of CHRIST: to be forever a SON OF GOD.
The disciples were looking for the Messiah to set up the kingdom hereonearth. ( which is yet future)
As mentioned Isaiah 40:1-5 is one of the scriptures is why they expected this order of events.
"Comfort ye, comfort ye my people, saith your God.
Speak ye comfortably to Jerusalem, and cry unto her, that her warfare is accomplished, that her iniquity is pardoned: for she hath received of the LORD'S hand double for all her sins.
The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.
Every valley shall be exalted, and every mountain and hill shall be made low: and the crooked shall be made straight, and the rough places plain:
AND THE GLORY OF THE LORD SHALL BE REVEALED, AND ALL FLESH SHALL SEE IT TOGETHER: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.
( This haven't happened yet. )
This concerns the restoration of Israel when Christ sits on David's Throne.
Matthew 17:11-12 "And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things. ( Still future. )
But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them. ( John the baptist was the forerunner. He was to announce the King.) They rejected John and they rejected their King. ( John 19:15.)
During the tribulation they will be driven to seek their Messiah and he shall come. ( Matthew 23:37-39.)
alex1939...Hi Lollyman 7...Good question But i don't think that Jesus was refering to any man being a 2 nd Elijah...Or another John the baptist...God cannot put any trust in man...John the baptist doubted in the end sending 2 of his disciples to ask Jesus if he were the Christ or look for we for another...John doubted...And i dont judge that great man of God...But this last Elijah has to be the H.G. As Jesus said in John 16:13 When he the spirit of truth is come ( the H.G. ) he will guide you into all truth...He cannot speak of himself simply b/c he has to be born in us...He is just a spritual infant and infants cannot speak for a while...Only God the HG. can lead us into all truth Thus this 2 nd Elijah has to be the Spirit of truth...As Jesus is saying in John 16:13 that is gona lead the whole world....Reprove the whole world of sin and Righteousness and judgement...No man cd fulfill that task it wd have to be God himself...Isaiah said he looked this way and that way but he found no man thus his own arm brought him salvation etc
alex1939..Hi Lollyman 7..Good Question..But i think they are both right...Jesus was speaking in the Spiritual realm of a heavenly Elijah which is the H.G. that is gonna turn folks hearts to the Children which are spirits...Jesus said that the good seed are the Children of the Kingdom...And that which is born of the spirit is spirit which are the Children of Promise which are born in us via his good seeds...Thats y he has to know us...Our hearts need to be turned to the H.G. the Child of Promise...Jesus was still on the cross when he was calling for Elijah... Matthew 27:46...But some said he was calling for God...Which is the H.G. that heavenly Elijah that will lead us into all truth...When he that spirit of truth is come ( the H.G. ) He will lead you into all truth...
..... Zechariah 13:7...Smite the shepherd and the sheep will be scattered...The Cross ...His death..Then i will turn my hand to the little ones his Children...When a seed dies it multiplies thus his Children of Promise...Behold me and the Children the Lord has given me...Are they not for signs and wonders Which are spirits as he said that that which is born of the spirit is spirit which are his Children...Our New Heart and New spirit...Its God himself that wants to turn our hearts to the Children which is the H.G...God swore by his very self when he made that promise of multiplication...Thus the Children the H.G. that is gona be born in our hearts and minds...But all this was hid from the wise and prudent but is gona be revealed unto babes...the H.G...When that BOOK is opened that has the words of life...That he wrote with his own blood...Plz note the Kingdom does not come till the Woman is in Child birth ( the Children that are gona be born in our hearts)...Unless you receive the KINGDOM as a lil Child you will in no wise enter there in...And whosoever receiveth one such child in MY NAME receiveth me...There is a CHILD in your future which is the H.G. That Child of Promise...An Israel of God The H.G..
In my previous comment, to uncover your Father's nakedness, means to sleep with your Father's wife. Strong concordance, the Hebrew meaning. The Apocryphal and Masaratic Text, were removed from the original 1611 King James.
Go to your Strongs Concordance; the Hebrew meaning of (to under your Father's nakedness) meaning is to sleep with his wife! Brother's and Sister's, please study for yourselves. We are on the precipice for the return of our King! Study to show yourselves approved. I pray this helps, because THAT is what caused Noah's wrath.
Blessings to you all in our Lord Jesus Christ. In great love, I pray He opens up all of eyes.
The scripture at the end of Hebrews 6 and continuing into chapter seven is referencing the account in Genesis 14 where Melchisedec appears (with no reference to his origin) to bless Abraham. Melchisedec is a pattern for Christ's priesthood because he didn't come out of the tribe of Levi. The scripture says he is the priest of Salem. Salem eventually became know as Jerusalem. So Melchisedec is a good pattern for Christ being the High Priest of the heavenly Jerusalem (end of Hebrews 12). Take time to ponder Hebrews 7 and the comparisons that are made in it.
Hi Bill. Maybe you've picked up on this information from a source not readily available to us. What we do know is that there were many writings, both what are considered apocryphal books & other little known, possibly spurious, writings. These were generally single productions on parchment or on other material & have been lost to us. Only the apocryphal books have survived and been retained & sometimes incorporated into the Canon of Scripture.
So if you know of 777 books of the Bible, then you may need to cite your source, as the Bible wasn't even anything like what we have today in one binding. It never had as many books as you suggest and as mentioned, most of the writings that were known through those earliest days, have since been lost or disintegrated over time.
The 66 Books we have now in the Bible was first put together by Jerome around AD 400 written in Latin, & often referred to as the Vulgate. The selection of the NT Books (to the exclusion of the apocryphal books) was based generally on the following: was it written by a disciple or one (e.g. Luke) who learned the accounts from a witness of Jesus' Life & Ministry; they had to be written within the 1st Century; and the selected Books could not contradict any other book, to maintain a faithful account of events. Even disregarding the OT Apocrypha, the NT Apocrypha (e.g. Gospels of Thomas, Barnabas, Mary, etc.) have been found to contain erroneous material, & was omitted when the Canon of Scripture was formed. So what we have now in our hands, we believe is what God has determined for us to read & learn from. There may be truths found in other writings, but to avoid entertaining accounts that may be erroneous, it is best to rely on the strict rules of canonization, under the Will of God for us.
Before the real Bible was changed, there was 777 Books of the Bible. Why is there now only 66 Books in the Bible? Is there 777 Books in the original Bible?
The HOLY SPIRIT revealed to me, one day after sometime pondering, that it was: Jesus
That was the Kingdom representation on earth, that suffered violence
& the Violent took Him by force, was it also Prophetic to what was about to happen to Him? & other people that belong to the Kingdom of Heaven? Also the Prophets that suffered violence previously.
I agree with you, that just by the reading of that portion of Scripture, one could wonder what angered Noah. However, for Noah to have become angry there must be more to the story that we're not given.
We only know that Ham walked by Noah's opened tent 'door' & saw his father in that state of drunkenness & nakedness. He then recounted what he saw, to his brothers, who then went & covered up their father without looking at him. No doubt Noah would have then enquired about this other covering on him & maybe woke up because of the commotion going on. He might have learned the details of Ham's 'more than a casual glance' at him & therefore was angered by his son's behaviour. Of course, nothing is said of Noah's bad behaviour by imbibing too much & displaying himself after being overly warmed by the wine. But I guess the rest of the story is to show why Ham was cursed for this act & the fallout for his descendants.
I fully agree David. But whose DNA do you think Jesus would have had? A completely new, specific to a new creation-type of DNA, or from Mary? I'm thinking: was Jesus' DNA comparable to Adam's DNA in that completely new creation of God? Or, if Jesus had DNA or genetic markers from Mary, how then does the sin nature through her bear upon Him? These maybe rhetorical questions, as can one give conclusive answers?
He was physically human, having physical human DNA, Jesus wouldn't have been able to be killed if He wasn't flesh and blood. After His resurrection His body was indestructible, one resembling the son of man. His nature, all His thought and actions however were always the Spirit of His Father. John the Baptist said God gave Him the Spirit without measure.
Hi Ronald. According to Matthew 13:55,56, "Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas? And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things?"
Since Jesus' birth as the Son of God wasn't the result of the procreation of Joseph & Mary but of Divine Seed, His birth had to be exceptional, both in terms of his dual Being as Human & Divine, but also in His relationship to His 'parents & siblings'. His four brothers & sisters (not told their number), could only ever be Jesus' 'half' brothers/sisters as they came into the world from the union of their parents, unlike Jesus coming from God, His Father, the Producer of that Holy Seed.
The questions then arise: did Jesus also have similar DNA (or, even genetic markers) as the other siblings or His Mother, or did Jesus' physical appearance have similarities to the others? Depending on where your understanding on this is (i.e. if Jesus' birth was wholly Divine with Mary only contributing to His human nurture, sustenance & delivery of the Babe from the womb; or, if Jesus' birth was half Divine & half human thereby giving Him both Sonship to God & man), you might have your answer. My belief is that Jesus' was wholly Divine for the simple reason that if He wasn't, then the sin nature (of Mary) would have been passed onto Him: & I don't understand that from Scripture. Others, might understand this differently.
I will share my view.
In Luke 1:16-17 an Angel tells Johns father, "Zacharias". That he would have a son And many of the children of Israel shall he turn to the Lord their God.
And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.
John the baptist had a great crowd and devout followers and he preached the coming of their expected Messiah and King.
The pressing multitudes that had followed John continued to follow Jesus' ( Luke 5:15, Luke 12:1).
In the context of this chapter we have Jesus authenticating John's ministry.
SO THAT BRINGS US TO THE TEXT.
Mathew 11:12.
And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.
Let's look at the word violence in this text.
Greek:
Transliteration: biaz
Pronunciation: bee-ad'-zo
Definition: From G970; to force that is (reflexively) to crowd oneself (into) or (passively) TO BE SEIZED: - PRESS SUFFER VIOLENCE
The pressing multitudes that had followed John continued to follow Jesus' ( Luke 5:15, Luke 12:1).
This is what Jesus is saying "The kingdom of God suffers violence." Pointing to the huge crowds that followed John and that were now following Him, Jesus likens them to an invading army surrounding a city to capture it.
Look at Luke's account.
Luke 16:16.
The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.
( From the days of John the Baptist until now," there has been an extraordinary rush of people pressing in from all sides eager to hear the gospel that they resembled an army trying to besiege a city.)
Matthew 11:14 he says;
"And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come."
I hope this helps.
God bless.
Matthew 11:12 Until the days of John the baptist till NOW the kingdom of heaven suffereth VIOLENCE, and the VIOLENT shall take IT by FORCE.
Yesterday was NOW, yesterday: Today is NOW, TODAY; and tomorrow will be NOW when it gets here.
The last day in God's word: IS ALWAYS NOW, it's been going on NOW for 2000 years. When you read and study God's Word, it is always in the sense of NOW.
The kingdom of heaven is CHRIST IN YOU, this was possible by the VIOLENCE Christ suffer for ALL mankind on the cross.
Violence has been happening "NOW" for 2000 years; NOW, today, earthquakes, pestilence, wars, death and destruction; NOW, today.
This is THE WAY God causes his people to TURN TO HIM, no one seeks him when things are going good.
Psalms 72 :14 He shall redeemer their body from DECEIT and VIOLENCE (by death on THE CROSS: you and Christ DIED THERE): and precious shall be their blood in his sight.
Revelation 18:21 The mighty angel (Christ is the angel of the Lord) and he shall take up a STONE (Christ is that stone), and cast IT (Christ) into the SEA (of humanity), saying, WITH VIOLENCE shall that great city of Babylon (your held captive in BABYLON) be thrown down (you and Christ) were crucified, and shall be found no more at all (you and Christ were resurrected as ONE NEW CREATION.
There was ONLY ONE BODY raised at the resurrection. Christ's BODY; by the spirit of the Father, was RESURRECTED.
You were married to Christ by that resurrection, you became ONE, you are NOW the body of Christ.
When you depart this body of DUST:
1 Corinthians 15:54 ... this mortal (body of dust) SHALL PUT ON IMMORTALITY .....
1 Timothy 6:16 ..... Christ ONLY hath IMMORTALITY ..... dwelling in the light ......
Death is SWALLOWED UP in VICTORY .....you have become the IMAGE of CHRIST: to be forever a SON OF GOD.
God bless YOU!
Thank you
I concur with Brother Chris.
The disciples were looking for the Messiah to set up the kingdom hereonearth. ( which is yet future)
As mentioned Isaiah 40:1-5 is one of the scriptures is why they expected this order of events.
"Comfort ye, comfort ye my people, saith your God.
Speak ye comfortably to Jerusalem, and cry unto her, that her warfare is accomplished, that her iniquity is pardoned: for she hath received of the LORD'S hand double for all her sins.
The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.
Every valley shall be exalted, and every mountain and hill shall be made low: and the crooked shall be made straight, and the rough places plain:
AND THE GLORY OF THE LORD SHALL BE REVEALED, AND ALL FLESH SHALL SEE IT TOGETHER: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.
( This haven't happened yet. )
This concerns the restoration of Israel when Christ sits on David's Throne.
Matthew 17:11-12 "And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things. ( Still future. )
But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them. ( John the baptist was the forerunner. He was to announce the King.) They rejected John and they rejected their King. ( John 19:15.)
During the tribulation they will be driven to seek their Messiah and he shall come. ( Matthew 23:37-39.)
God bless.
.....Thats all i had to say thank you lollyman 7
..... Zechariah 13:7...Smite the shepherd and the sheep will be scattered...The Cross ...His death..Then i will turn my hand to the little ones his Children...When a seed dies it multiplies thus his Children of Promise...Behold me and the Children the Lord has given me...Are they not for signs and wonders Which are spirits as he said that that which is born of the spirit is spirit which are his Children...Our New Heart and New spirit...Its God himself that wants to turn our hearts to the Children which is the H.G...God swore by his very self when he made that promise of multiplication...Thus the Children the H.G. that is gona be born in our hearts and minds...But all this was hid from the wise and prudent but is gona be revealed unto babes...the H.G...When that BOOK is opened that has the words of life...That he wrote with his own blood...Plz note the Kingdom does not come till the Woman is in Child birth ( the Children that are gona be born in our hearts)...Unless you receive the KINGDOM as a lil Child you will in no wise enter there in...And whosoever receiveth one such child in MY NAME receiveth me...There is a CHILD in your future which is the H.G. That Child of Promise...An Israel of God The H.G..
is Elijah (or the Prophet or the Christ). Yet in Matthew 11:14, Jesus says that John the Baptist
is the "Elijah who is to come," Who was right?
Blessings to you all in our Lord Jesus Christ. In great love, I pray He opens up all of eyes.
Genesis 15:13,14, two Generations & 400 years, + 30 years later : Exodus 12:40,41, then the Laws were given to Moses, Exodus 28, Exodus 25,
Psalms 110:4,
Hebrews 5, Hebrews 6, Hebrews 7,
Helpful I hope
So if you know of 777 books of the Bible, then you may need to cite your source, as the Bible wasn't even anything like what we have today in one binding. It never had as many books as you suggest and as mentioned, most of the writings that were known through those earliest days, have since been lost or disintegrated over time.
The 66 Books we have now in the Bible was first put together by Jerome around AD 400 written in Latin, & often referred to as the Vulgate. The selection of the NT Books (to the exclusion of the apocryphal books) was based generally on the following: was it written by a disciple or one (e.g. Luke) who learned the accounts from a witness of Jesus' Life & Ministry; they had to be written within the 1st Century; and the selected Books could not contradict any other book, to maintain a faithful account of events. Even disregarding the OT Apocrypha, the NT Apocrypha (e.g. Gospels of Thomas, Barnabas, Mary, etc.) have been found to contain erroneous material, & was omitted when the Canon of Scripture was formed. So what we have now in our hands, we believe is what God has determined for us to read & learn from. There may be truths found in other writings, but to avoid entertaining accounts that may be erroneous, it is best to rely on the strict rules of canonization, under the Will of God for us.
Hebrews 13:12, Acts 17:3,
Matthew 26:53-68, Matthew 27:1-54,
Psalms 22,
no men of God taking a stand. The kingdom of heaven suffereth violence or is always under attack, the
adversary Is always accusing Gods people who take stand on His Word.
The enemies primary purpose is to eventually shut up or stop Gods
Word from being held forth, which is why he thought eliminating Jesus Christ was all he had to do.
The HOLY SPIRIT revealed to me, one day after sometime pondering, that it was: Jesus
That was the Kingdom representation on earth, that suffered violence
& the Violent took Him by force, was it also Prophetic to what was about to happen to Him? & other people that belong to the Kingdom of Heaven? Also the Prophets that suffered violence previously.
John 10:30 -31
Mark 1:4
Matthew 4:17
Luke 17:21
Luke 17:25
Mark 14:46
Mark 14:48 -49
John 18:19
Matthew 20:19
Luke 13:34
Revelation 6:9 -11
time and season.
We only know that Ham walked by Noah's opened tent 'door' & saw his father in that state of drunkenness & nakedness. He then recounted what he saw, to his brothers, who then went & covered up their father without looking at him. No doubt Noah would have then enquired about this other covering on him & maybe woke up because of the commotion going on. He might have learned the details of Ham's 'more than a casual glance' at him & therefore was angered by his son's behaviour. Of course, nothing is said of Noah's bad behaviour by imbibing too much & displaying himself after being overly warmed by the wine. But I guess the rest of the story is to show why Ham was cursed for this act & the fallout for his descendants.
Since Jesus' birth as the Son of God wasn't the result of the procreation of Joseph & Mary but of Divine Seed, His birth had to be exceptional, both in terms of his dual Being as Human & Divine, but also in His relationship to His 'parents & siblings'. His four brothers & sisters (not told their number), could only ever be Jesus' 'half' brothers/sisters as they came into the world from the union of their parents, unlike Jesus coming from God, His Father, the Producer of that Holy Seed.
The questions then arise: did Jesus also have similar DNA (or, even genetic markers) as the other siblings or His Mother, or did Jesus' physical appearance have similarities to the others? Depending on where your understanding on this is (i.e. if Jesus' birth was wholly Divine with Mary only contributing to His human nurture, sustenance & delivery of the Babe from the womb; or, if Jesus' birth was half Divine & half human thereby giving Him both Sonship to God & man), you might have your answer. My belief is that Jesus' was wholly Divine for the simple reason that if He wasn't, then the sin nature (of Mary) would have been passed onto Him: & I don't understand that from Scripture. Others, might understand this differently.