Matthew Chapter 18 Discussion Page 3

Out of the mouth of 2 or 3 witnesses, let a thing be established. All must be in agreement, to be truth from the Lord.

We can be sitting ducks for false prophets, false teachers, wolves in sheep skins, Antichrist or his Antichrist spirit (demon).

Don't let your self be led into Apostasy. You could end up in hell.

Now go google on those words. Type Bible At the end of your question.

Will where in the Bible does Jesus tell anyone that they must be taught the words of God by other pastor's?

The word of God as a testimony I agree with because God speaks to us all daily is we listen. Are you trying to tell me that a testimony is only to speak what's in the word of God? I just wanted to be clear on what your telling me because all I see is a few scriptures. Can you be more clear in your own words what your saying? Thank you

Again I say - If they aint preaching the truth and compromising it - I don't need their edification, or to fellowship with the mislead - And it is certain they will not want to hear what I have to say to them!

I don't judge anybody - But clearly and simply - If they aint doing what Jesus says and teachers - They have another master ( I wonder who that could be??!!)

All good Mate - I hear you loud and clear

Do more research Mate!!

I had a similar situation sorta kinda. All the money my mother had after my Dads death from the sale of a home and business was siphoned off by other drug addict siblings.

She finally called me to come get her and take her to my house. She lived with me till she died.

It was the Christians who came calling to get anything they thought was hers. It wasn't. Just to shame them, I let them have everything they asked for. And then it was over. Then God really did a huge work within me on forgiveness. It lasted a couple of years.

Now, my soul is truly free and clean before my Lord and Savior. The peace of letting go of what others covet is beyond description.

That's all that matters, in the end: How is our relationship between us and Jesus?

I never knew I'd be asked to not only give my shirt, but give away my coat too.

It's better to live your life for heaven right now; rather than after death. Whatever God asks, just give it. He replaces wood, hay and stubble with wisdom. I am reconciled to my family and all is well with my soul.....is all I can comment.

I want my kids to remember what it looks like to be a Christian.

Who Were the Nicolaitans, And What Was Their Doctrine and Deeds?

But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate. Revelation 2:6

Have you ever wondered who the "Nicolaitans" were, mentioned in the book of Revelation? Whoever they were, Jesus loathed their doctrine and hated their deeds. Let's delve into this subject today to see if we can ascertain the identity of this group. What was their damnable doctrine? What deeds were they committing that elicited such a strong reaction from Jesus?

Let's begin in Revelation 2:6, where Jesus told the church of Ephesus, "But this thou hast [in your favor], that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate."

Jesus was proud of the church of Ephesus for their "hatred" of the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which He also "hated."

The word "hate" is a strong word, so let's see exactly what it means. It comes from the Greek word miseo, which means to hate, to abhor, or to find utterly repulsive. It describes a person who has a deep-seated animosity, who is antagonistic to something he finds to be completely objectionable. He not only loathes that object, but rejects it entirely. This is not just a case of dislike; it is a case of actual hatred.

The thing Jesus hated about them was their "deeds." The word "deeds" is the Greek word erga, which means works. However, this word is so all-encompassing that it pictures all the deeds and behavior of the Nicolaitans; including their actions, beliefs, conduct, and everything else connected to them.

Search the TITLE of this article on Renner dot org to read the whole thing. Mishael

Many people are confused about speaking a 'Testimony'

you must be born again ...you must be taught the Word by true pastors

Christ do not dwell in temples made by man hands...

Woe to the Pastors who destroy and scatter my flock.

The Testimony we are to speak is the Word of God.

1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ,

11 If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God; if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth: that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

I agree with your words Mike. I have a very good friend that's a pastor of a pretty good size church but I don't any longer go there as I told him because of the people there. My are Democrats and very left which is something I can't deal with it fellowship with and personally I don't see how it's possible to love Jesus and love that party of people and what they stand for it just doesn't make a bit of since to me at all. I'm much more Blessed now than ever in my life done I finally stopped going to a do called Church. Actually I feel as if I'm a church myself. I can say Apsolutely for sure my life the way I'm Blessed is much better now than ever and so is my walk with the Lord. I do believe way to many people misinterpret scripture in order to make it work for there thoughts and we all know God's ways aren't ours. If going to a church building helps someone else I good for them but as for me it doesn't. I've noticed a lot of things my pastor friend and I talk about will end up in one of his messages but even he won't admit the things I've said are brought up into his spirit in the messages here gives and that's called pride. People say many things but mostly don't abide in there in words. For instance they know in a Christian man but won't allow me to bring a message to there people in there church building yet they say they trust the Lord. How's that possible? You trust the Lord but don't trust him enough to allow one of his children to tell others what he's given to your own Spirit to share with others? Sounds kind of Ridiculous doesn't it? I have a family that say they are Christian People almost all of them go to a church bandages

Grandfather on my mother's side was a Baptist minister and all but one Uncle on my Dad's side is they only one that goes to church every Sunday wed etc treats me with respect the rest have treated me horribly. I took care of my mother for over 20 years by my self and maybe saw this family at her home which I moved to twice including.

You've made some good comments. Maybe Church was easier in Acts 1. It's just that Jesus said, "upon this rock I Will Build My Church." It's His Church.

We don't get to legislate how that happens.

I do know that the Rewards will be sorted out at The Bema Seat Judgment of Jesus Christ. Rewards or Lack of Rewards. Acts of all Christians will pass through Fire.

Anything less than silver or gold will be burned up (wood, hay, stubble). Jesus is the only Judge of His Church.

We are told not to judge. With righteousness judgment only. We can depart from a Church we truly feel is out of order, and attend another. Personally for me, I would switch the channel on the tv or listen to Christian Radio. I listen to sermons on Youtube, too.

We are in control on what we feed our own spirits. You can eat a lot of cotton candy or you can find yourself some heavenly meat!

I love and miss Billy Graham and often listen to His meetings. We will be judged on the food we put in our spirits.

I'm not perfect enough to judge anybody. It's my default setting to move along and leave it To Jesus's judgement. We are told Not To Forsake Assembling Together.

In my experience, the Lord has moved me from one feed bucket to another, at times.

Terrible things happened in that Church and I had to go through that with them; love others and sooth some of the trauma. The Lord will stand by His Sheep in any case, is my experience. They survived the loss of their Pastor. I already had planned to go home and care for my Dad who had Alzheimer's, so my Mom could run their business.

We can go through these things rigidly, or we can allow the Lord to do His Work in our lives. It's a choice we have to make with the leading of the Holy Spirit. Be at peace with Jesus in all things. Move along when HE leads you.

Mishael

I don't know what kind of church you go to but my church does none of those things. I thing it is best if you find either a church online or another church.

It is better if you go to a church to better edify not only you but others. we can see in Acts 15:1-7 that a Church is suppose to edify others.

why shouldnt a woman preach. maybe you are refrencing to 1 corinthians 34. that was because they were under the law. the law was that women could not speak. At that time there was a lot of tension between state and church. We are not under the law anymore so we do not need to follow that command anymore. The Bible fights for faitness and not sexism between the two sexes.

Definitely I agree, that we see a lot of what the Lord does not want in churches. They have forgotten what scriptures say about certain things. Now in days they want to hear what itching ears want to hear, and allow certain things to be portrayed that the Bible calls wrong. I have recently had experiences with three churches, one of them thought it was ok to allow certain preaching because they were trying to make wordly thing fit in to be comfortable. I spoke to the preacher and he recognized that certain things were wrong. But, there was no change. In another Church the preacher had a miss conception about grace. For we know that grace of God lead us to repentance. He repented and recognized something...and his way of teaching switch. Have faith we see what was written. And we need to do our part and be ready for His return.

Sorry about some of the wording in my last comment. I can't find any way to go back and fix them but I'm sure you will get my points

Thanks for your feedback and may Jesus Christ Bless you. I'm no longer a church goer either plus Jesus never said anything about going to church not specifically anyway he just said to fellowship and I can do that anywhere I want to. He also never told anyone to give to any church but he did talk about the store houses they did have back in his days here. Feed those with 10% of what you've got. This other man that commented on my post is correct about the churches and they're people. Talk about being judgmental they're wicked. I believe in loving others and speaking the truth in love not anger as so many do that think they're perfect souls. Many have told me God's in control and he's in charge. I don't know what God they have but its not the one I serve that's for sure. I wish God was in Control and in charge they're wouldn't be a got heaven then would they're? If he was in control and I'm charge we'd never commit a sin but he gave us all free will to make those decisions for ourselves didn't he? I know he's never in charge of my sins and I'm sorry every single time I break his Heart. I'll tell you who the real Christian's are it's those with a real relationship with Jesus Christ the sinners like myself that have a conscious in there soul because the spirit of Jesus Lives their and he loves those that don't make excuses or yet to any as if there better than anyone else. Those preachers an pastor's those so called Drs in those pulpit's that won't allow a man like myself to come speak in there so called houses of worship they've got a huge problem with the Father i serve and that I know without doubt or Question. The world's going down hill because of it. TRUTH and FACTS aren't spoken in pulpit's anymore because it just hurt those cans you pass around and we can't have that can we? I'd love to have 5 or 10 or even more pastor's at around table Televised to answer some questions with me. Any takers? This is about TRUTH and FACTS and the words of Almighty God not me.

I agree regarding "The Church" buzz - The more I learn I see thousands, if not millions being lead down the garden path (The wrong one) I have been in the Way now for 42 years & do not attend Church anymore with their women preachers, immoral dress codes, in which so called Christian women reveal themselves (they are a joke - surrendering to a Jezebel sprit)

The pandering to transgender & homosexual roles in the pulpit and leadership. the amalgamation of masonic symbols and practices in their Rock concert type SO CALLED praise & worship. "Rock music" (Rock n Roll) abbreviated, refers to the 50s & what happened in cars when a sexual act was in progress Rockin and Rolling" and those inside also.

AHH! but brother "forsake not the gathering together of yourselves - is the bullet fired! But these words burn in my spirit

Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, said the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,2 Cor The world is littered with FALSE PROFETS, and money grabbing ministries, that condemn you for not tithing - enabling playboy type life styles of these- so call Pastors, teachers & Prophets!

Anyone that is spreading the WORD - Like Paul - Should have a job, & not "Fleecing the Flock"

Somewhere between Gino Jennings (Fire and brimstone Yell & Tell ) at the top end of the scale & Kenneth Copeland & all the other blab & grab ministers of darkness at the bottom end of the scale - Lies the truth!

Oh dear Yahweh - Here my prayer- Reveal the truth of Jesus to me, and all others who are weak, heavy laden & desire in our hearts to please you only.

The topic in discussion -"Where 2or3 three are gathered - I am in the mist - really needs no theorizing! v19 IF 2 OF YOU SHALL AGREE on earth as touching anything that they shall ask - I believe is Jesus BACKING a prayer of agreement between 2 or more

Bless u Sir and all who read this

This doesn't mean that Jesus doesn't hear our prayers when we pray alone or with two or three people etc. He does. But it means that this particular verse is not talking about Jesus' presence in prayer, it's talking about His presence in church discipline.

Where two means Husband and Wife and three means child or children. So when a family gather for family prayer in the name of Jesus , He is there in the midst of them. In a christian life family prayer is very important like God Trinity which put the family together always. Iff Jesus comes in the midst of us, then Father and Holy spirit also be with us and also angels will join them surely. Our home will become a small Heaven.

This verse certainly include those who sexually abuse children.

I feel sorry for so many people. God's words are alive. If his book the Bible had legs it would walk. As I read the different things that people say to interpret God's words for the most part there all Wrong. Where to or three are gathered together in my name there i an in the midst of them. The Holy Spirit guides me into it's meaning for me not for anyone else but me. Same goes for anyone else that reads his words San all for guidance. Myself and Jesus are two by itself. When I'm in prayer when God i do it through Jesus guided by the spirit of Jesus that's already inside of me. Jesus is with me when I'm before God. Many do not understand this because only those of us that have a really true relationship with Jesus can understand these things. So many go to church thinking this does it relationship wise but it does nothing at all nothing. People understand the word relationship but don't understand it when it comes to there salvation. It's not about being perfect I'm not in not even close it's about a true honest relationship when him. I don't even go to any church Anymore. I'll backslide if I do and I know it. I'd like to go preach but no one will have me I've tried before many times. People are afraid of the TRUTH and FACTS. Common Sense is the best way I know to describe God's words when reading them. Lead me not into temptation but deliver me from evil and the Holy Spirit along with God's words did that for me. Let the Holy Spirit be your guide no one else no networks no preachers no friends him and his only it you won't get your deliverance ever. If I had time to share my testimony here you'd call me a Liar. No one lives like I do has what I have and does what I do no one Period. I race one of the most expensive cars on the planet and do it with hardly nothing. How? It's called being Blessed and that's a totally different story of how God works through Jesus and his Holy Spirit. It's Holy a reason. I will come speak anywhere I'm invited. Just get me there @bac

These verses should warn us about who we have in our lives,in our hyper social society people feel the need to be always around people and they shun solitude or standing alone.The bible teaches the opposite.

Thanks for the reply!

You are on the right track. Jesus often used earthly examples to illustrate heavenly truth in a form that our minds can more easily grasp. The lord in the story was a man that employed the servant that owed more than he could ever pay. This pictures that each one of us owes God a debt we can never pay, but he has compassion and forgives us freely in Jesus Christ. The wicked servant proved he was insincere and ungrateful about his own deliverance from bondage when he went out and accosted his fellow servant. If we really appreciate the forgiveness Jesus obtained for us when he died on the cross and was raised from the dead, we should be willing to forgive our brothers and sisters that request it from us. If we refuse to forgive as God has forgiven us, we may be proving that we are pretenders to salvation or disobedient, tormented prisoners of our own bitterness.

Louis DeRose: you're looking for Matthew 18:20.

When you come into this website, you can use the search box to pull up verses. I used it just now

Greetings Louis - Jesus said that almost 2,000 years ago about where 2 or 3 are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them. Most Bible scholars say Jesus died around 32-33 AD.

When did Jesus say "For where two or three are gathered together in my Name, there am I in the midst of them", i.e. how many years ago.

I am a member of The Church of Christ.
Can I have a preacher of my Church teach me. The word of God

In matthew 18:25, i dont understand if the master should be seen as the one he works for, the on that pays him ( a human)

Or as the lord, as in god

The child jesus refers to is the h.g. that has to be born in us sinners thats y he said that which is born of the spirit is spirit. his word is the good seed that will be sown in our hearts initiating a birth of christ in us that good seed is the word which is spirit thus his children are spirits the h.g plural that are gonna be as the stars of heaven.he is able to reproduce very god in humanity. only god the son can reproduce god simply b/c everything has to multiply after its kind.thus he is the father of the h.g. when isaiah saw him he calls christ everlasting father simply b/c he is the father of the h.g. b/c his seed is the living word to whom the word came it made them gods plural gbu