Lets start with Hebrews 6:4-6 with the view you can loose your salvation.
4: For it is ""impossible"" for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5: And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6: If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
That sounds like they're saved right? Right.
So if you read that verse carefully with the mind you can loose your salvation "you got one shot at it!!" ( For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened....) ( If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance;...)
You can take this passage and say if you were saved and some how stumbled "a small lie, got angry, ect.." it is impossible to renew you to repentance!! your forever Lost!! Read it again with the view you can loose your salvation.
That does not sound right so now take the passage with the view you cant loose your salvation and say these people was not really saved, "The Calvinist view"
It seems they suffer the same fate! Whether professors or not 'they were once enlightened'.
It is "Impossible" ( for those who were once ""enlightened,"" and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance;...)
The unsaved premise seems to also fails. they also got one shot!
I believe the writer is writing to believers, he addresses them that way in Ch 3:1. "Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling",
I don't think this is talking about salvation at all, it don't say renew them again to salvation, it say repentance. The writer is writing to the Hebrews and urging them to maturity, the burden of the writer is not to return to Judaism. Legalism, them becoming fruitless
This is a repost to the 2 links that I pasted, Something went terribly wrong!!
Isaiah 32:12-13. They shall lament for the teats, for the pleasant fields, for the fruitful vine.
Upon the land of my people shall come up thorns and briers; yea, upon all the houses of joy in the joyous city:
"PARRELLELS WITH HEBREWS 6:8".
HERE'S THE 2ND
1 Corinthians 3:12-15 (KJV) Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
S Spencer on Hebrews Ch 6 on Matthew 20 - 3 years ago
PG 2.
Lets revisit the text starting from-
Hebrews 5:11-14. Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing.
For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
Paul is urging them towards maturity.
Now lets take up Hebrews 6:7-9.
For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:
Verse 8: But that which ""beareth thorns and briers"" is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.
THE KEY IS IN VERSE 9.
Verse 9 But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and ( things that accompany salvation,) though we thus speak. WHAT ACCOMPANIES SALVATION? FRUIT AND REWARDS.
Verse 8 parallels with
Isaiah 5:6-7. And I will lay it waste: it shall not be pruned, nor digged; but there shall come up briers and thorns: I will also command the clouds that they rain no rain upon it.
For the vineyard of the LORD of hosts is the house of Israel, and the men of Judah his pleasant plant: and he looked for judgment, but behold oppression; for righteousness, but behold a cry.
Each of these parables, in fact most that Jesus told, start off, "The kingdom of heaven is like..." Each of Jesus parables generally is being used to illustrate one point in a way as to make it memorable. One thing to remember about the majority of Jesus' ministry: His message was directed to the Jewish people
In the first case, the landowner offers the same wage to each worker regardless of the length of their workday. The ones that worked the longest were the Jews. The one who work only one hour are the Gentiles. They both are welcomed into the kingdom despite all the work the Jews did for centuries, now the Gentiles will be able to share in the blessings of the kingdom.
In the latter case, the invitees spurned the invitation to the wedding of the king's son. Jesus, The Kin if The Jews, invited His own people to accept Him as their Messiah. "He came unto his own, and his own received him not. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:"Joh 1:11-12 (KJVA)
As many as receive Him, Jew or Gentile, must come, clothed in The Righteousness of Christ. It is not our own righteousness. "And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:" Php 3:9 (KJVA)
So the man who was judges, was not clothed in Jesus' righteousness.
The call was made to the Jews. But for a few Jewish believers, the vast majority rejected their Messiah. Many were called. Only a few were chosen. In this, the Church age, the call is universal to MANY. But Jesus states "Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it." Mat 7:13-14 (KJVA)
Read John carefully, you'll find more about God's choosing.
Mat 20:1For the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which went out early in the morning to hire labourers into his vineyard.
The landowner hires laborers at various times during the day, each agreeing to the wage that was offered. Finally, one hour before quitting time, he hires more workers at the same wage.
When those hired early heard that the latecomers got the same wage for 1 hour that they got for working all day, they indignantly accused the landowner of being unfair and demanded "fairness" of wage. The landowner replied, "Friend, I do thee no wrong: didst not thou agree with me for a penny? Take that thine is, and go thy way: I will give unto this last, even as unto thee. Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? Is thine eye evil, because I am good? So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen." Mat 20:13-16 (KJVA)
In Matthew 22:1-14 Jesus tells another parable. "The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son, And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come." Mat 22:2-3 (KJVA)
However the people who were invited, refused to come and the king destroys them for snubbing the marriage of his son. Then the king told his servants to go out to the streets and invite those who had not been invited to the wedding. Now all those who came to the wedding were given a special garment to wear. On guest refused to wear the special garment and the king said to him, "Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless. Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. For many are called, but few are chosen." Mat 22:12-14 (KJVA)
The correct answer for the question is Matthew 22:14 which says,"For many are called, but few are chosen."
And not Matthew 20:20 which says "Then came to him the mother of Zebedee's children with her sons, worshipping him, and desiring a certain thing of him"
God is not slack concerning His promises, as some men count slackness. Not willing any should perish but " all" come to repentance. A genuine love of God and a distaste for things in this world is gain by accepting Christ love for us. God created us in love, nothing in this world can seperate you from God's love, be encouraged. Trust God's love for you. Heavenly Father your daughter is in need of Christ divine intercession, provide the power of " Your Glory" to give her peace, meet her where she is. Remove the demonic forces that surrounds her. Remove the strength of all her weakness heal her heart, mind & body. Holy Spirit dwell in her. We humbly ask in the name & blood of Jesus.
God surrounds you daily! All you have to do is ask Him in Prayer and read His word-- to know the Truth of what you have in Him. Thru His Love you will see!!!
Those whom the Lord Jesus knew before time began,He strength because He knew their hearts.So they were chosen and predestined for salvation,it s His amazing grace.
Chalizamudzi Elizabeth Matola on Matthew 20 - 5 years ago
God looks at all of us as equals. His reward will not depend on how long we have been Christians. Even new converts are valued and will receive the same eternal life as those who were converted long time ago
Rachael: Seems to me you are honest. You told all of us and even put it in writing. Have trust and faith in Jesus and pray always and I pray for you also that he will come into your heart.
verse 1-16 Jesus teach us more about the 'ways' of Jehovah GOD These 'way" of GOD' are already established predestined by and for GOD's glory and honor. My opinion, personal belief, ..., ..., DO NOT MATTER as it relates to those 'ways' of GOD example 16 So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen.
I am that Michael Isaac Dale on Matthew 20 - 5 years ago
My Holy Father exposes all hypocrisy. Ye mock the Son of man before saying, My heart has already shown me where I will be, in darkness gnashing of teeth not dwelling in light. I will never give up nor stop loving God and Yeshua my savior. (Nay. For ye cannot love GOD except ye repent and confess the Son.) It is written, The LORD preserves ALL them that love him: but ALL the wicked will he destroy.
Rachael: That's All of Us, We All Need a Savior. 5yrs. Asking The Lord for Help, Forgiveness, l'm Convinced I can't be Saved. 2yrs. I didn't Talk to Him. Then He Told me I Need Salvation, Go Forward and Ask Forgiveness. It was a little Scary Stepping Out and Going Forward. Next Morning WOW. This is not The World I Went to Sleep in. A Heavy Gone. Cursing Gone, I Am Changed. I Told Everyone.
Racheal, dont give up, satan seeks to destroy us, he is a liar and murderer. But Jesus has won the victory for us. Study your Bible , pray and seek God. Paul wrote I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me. When Jesus is with us, nothing can stand against us. May God Bless and strengthen you with The Holy Spirit.
No matter how hard I try I covet and fail. I look and want, I m not honest, I m not modest nor meek or humble. I seek God and his son everyday but I fail in works. I know in my heart I m a rotten seed that deserves nothing and the beam in my eye is heavier then cement. My heart has already shown me where I will be, in darkness gnashing of teeth not dwelling in light. I will never give up nor stop loving God and Yeshua my savior. Please God give me a new heart and spirit with strength so I cannot fail you every moment of the day. Even when I dream I sin.
28 Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many. (it is amazing, a person when captured by his enemy will not be released until someone pay a 'ransom'; once the 'ransom' is paid the person held captive is released / set free; the blood of animals could not set mankind free but the shed BLOOD OF JESUS /CHRIST could, and it was paid
Revelation 8:8-9, Hosea 4:1-19, vrs. 3, 2 Esdras 5:1-13,
Thank you..
Lets start with Hebrews 6:4-6 with the view you can loose your salvation.
4: For it is ""impossible"" for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5: And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6: If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
That sounds like they're saved right? Right.
So if you read that verse carefully with the mind you can loose your salvation "you got one shot at it!!" ( For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened....) ( If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance;...)
You can take this passage and say if you were saved and some how stumbled "a small lie, got angry, ect.." it is impossible to renew you to repentance!! your forever Lost!! Read it again with the view you can loose your salvation.
That does not sound right so now take the passage with the view you cant loose your salvation and say these people was not really saved, "The Calvinist view"
It seems they suffer the same fate! Whether professors or not 'they were once enlightened'.
It is "Impossible" ( for those who were once ""enlightened,"" and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance;...)
The unsaved premise seems to also fails. they also got one shot!
I believe the writer is writing to believers, he addresses them that way in Ch 3:1. "Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling",
I don't think this is talking about salvation at all, it don't say renew them again to salvation, it say repentance. The writer is writing to the Hebrews and urging them to maturity, the burden of the writer is not to return to Judaism. Legalism, them becoming fruitless
Isaiah 32:12-13. They shall lament for the teats, for the pleasant fields, for the fruitful vine.
Upon the land of my people shall come up thorns and briers; yea, upon all the houses of joy in the joyous city:
"PARRELLELS WITH HEBREWS 6:8".
HERE'S THE 2ND
1 Corinthians 3:12-15 (KJV) Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
Lets revisit the text starting from-
Hebrews 5:11-14. Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing.
For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
Paul is urging them towards maturity.
Now lets take up Hebrews 6:7-9.
For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:
Verse 8: But that which ""beareth thorns and briers"" is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.
THE KEY IS IN VERSE 9.
Verse 9 But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and ( things that accompany salvation,) though we thus speak. WHAT ACCOMPANIES SALVATION? FRUIT AND REWARDS.
Verse 8 parallels with
Isaiah 5:6-7. And I will lay it waste: it shall not be pruned, nor digged; but there shall come up briers and thorns: I will also command the clouds that they rain no rain upon it.
For the vineyard of the LORD of hosts is the house of Israel, and the men of Judah his pleasant plant: and he looked for judgment, but behold oppression; for righteousness, but behold a cry.
Also. Link
You see the whole concept here. Link
You see these verses can not be about salvation, if so we're all in trouble.
Its about what accompany salvation.
I hope that helps.
"Whoever Does Unto The Least Of These Does Unto Me."
Matthew 20:20-28 KJV
In the first case, the landowner offers the same wage to each worker regardless of the length of their workday. The ones that worked the longest were the Jews. The one who work only one hour are the Gentiles. They both are welcomed into the kingdom despite all the work the Jews did for centuries, now the Gentiles will be able to share in the blessings of the kingdom.
In the latter case, the invitees spurned the invitation to the wedding of the king's son. Jesus, The Kin if The Jews, invited His own people to accept Him as their Messiah. "He came unto his own, and his own received him not. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:"Joh 1:11-12 (KJVA)
As many as receive Him, Jew or Gentile, must come, clothed in The Righteousness of Christ. It is not our own righteousness. "And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:" Php 3:9 (KJVA)
So the man who was judges, was not clothed in Jesus' righteousness.
The call was made to the Jews. But for a few Jewish believers, the vast majority rejected their Messiah. Many were called. Only a few were chosen. In this, the Church age, the call is universal to MANY. But Jesus states "Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it." Mat 7:13-14 (KJVA)
Read John carefully, you'll find more about God's choosing.
In Matthew 20:1-16, Jesus tells a parable.
Mat 20:1For the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which went out early in the morning to hire labourers into his vineyard.
The landowner hires laborers at various times during the day, each agreeing to the wage that was offered. Finally, one hour before quitting time, he hires more workers at the same wage.
When those hired early heard that the latecomers got the same wage for 1 hour that they got for working all day, they indignantly accused the landowner of being unfair and demanded "fairness" of wage. The landowner replied, "Friend, I do thee no wrong: didst not thou agree with me for a penny? Take that thine is, and go thy way: I will give unto this last, even as unto thee. Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? Is thine eye evil, because I am good? So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen." Mat 20:13-16 (KJVA)
In Matthew 22:1-14 Jesus tells another parable. "The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son, And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come." Mat 22:2-3 (KJVA)
However the people who were invited, refused to come and the king destroys them for snubbing the marriage of his son. Then the king told his servants to go out to the streets and invite those who had not been invited to the wedding. Now all those who came to the wedding were given a special garment to wear. On guest refused to wear the special garment and the king said to him, "Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless. Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. For many are called, but few are chosen." Mat 22:12-14 (KJVA)
Now the payoff...
And not Matthew 20:20 which says "Then came to him the mother of Zebedee's children with her sons, worshipping him, and desiring a certain thing of him"