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Hi Earl , I have always thought that the abomination that maketh desolate is the thing that now stands on the site of the temple in Israel . I don't have any evidence for this , it's just the thing that came straight to my mind when I first read about it in Daniel .
ABOMINATION THAT MAKETH DESOLATE SET UP (both at the same time), there shall be a thousand two hundred ninety days (42 months, the period of Christ ministry in the flesh, first coming).
Your claim.
The daily sacrifice was taken away (at the same time) and the abomination that maketh desolate (sinful flesh is enmity to Spirit) set up (at the SAME TIME); at Christ death and resurrection. "YOU SAY THAT IS THE ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION "
Well Earl " ENTERTAINING" YOUR LOGIC, The flesh was crucified at the death of Christ. And the Spirit brought life at the resurrection. ( 3 days later )THAT'S NOT THE SAME TIME.
and THAT WHAT MAKETH DESOLATE ACCORDING TO YOUR LOGIC WOULD BE THE SPIRIT. Since it entered the temple/our bodies after the flesh was crucified. This is your interpretation of Daniel 12:11. You claim it's all spiritual.
Here's further proof why I can't accept your view on this. How do you fit these scriptures into your logic.
Daniel 9:27. And "HE" SHALL CONFIRM THE COVENANT WITH MANY FOR "ONE WEEK:" and in the midst of the week "HE" shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
And Jesus here:
Matthew 24:15. When ye therefore shall "SEE" the abomination of desolation, SPOKEN of BY DANIEL THE PROPHET, "STAND" in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
How could this be speaking of Christ death and resurrection when Jesus lays out events, warnings and a promise of his coming immediately following in
Mathew 24:16-51.
This is why I say spiritualizing "ALL" the text you can "Attempt to make it say anything.
Brother S Spencer, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.
I know you believe I spiritalize every thing to much, but I believe that's were the real truth lies.
Daniel 12:11 And from the TIME the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the ABOMINATION THAT MAKETH DESOLATE SET UP (both at the same time), there shall be a thousand two hundred ninety days (42 months, the period of Christ ministry in the flesh, first coming).
I agree with you about the FIRST abomination in the temple (all physical).
I BELIEVE, the SECOND time will be in the SPIRITUAL TEMPLE (within us).
The daily sacrifice was taken away (at the same time) and the abomination that maketh desolate (sinful flesh is enmity to Spirit) set up (at the SAME TIME); at Christ death and resurrection.
Isaiah 65:4 (This verse isn't LITERAL; like the first abomination, but a shadow of the second). Which remain among the graves (dead in trespasses), and lodge in monuments (we want to be a god in our flesh), which eat swine's flesh (instead of Christ flesh) (symbolic). and broth of abominable things IS IN their vessels (WE ARE THE TEMPLE OF GOD, we are the bowls (pots or vessels) on the alter).
At the end of your comments you said the second abomination that makes desolate would be "LIKE" the first. I don't know whether you were saying the second would also be in a physical temple, or was
like the first, being a shadow.
1 Corinthians 15:46 First the natural, then the spiritual.
Abomination of desolation"[Notes 1] is a phrase from the Book of Daniel describing the pagan sacrifices with which the 2nd century BCE Greek king Antiochus IV replaced the twice-daily offering in the Jewish temple, or alternatively the altar on which such offerings were made.[1] In the 1st century CE it was taken up by the authors of the gospels in the context of the Roman destruction of Jerusalem and the temple in the year 70,[2] with Mark giving Jesus a speech concerning the Second Coming,[3] Matthew 24:15-16 adding a reference to Daniel,[4] and Luke Luke 21:20-21 giving a description of the Roman armies ("But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies"); in all three it is likely that the authors had in mind a future eschatological (i.e., end-time) event, and the activities of the anti-Christ.
( Mid week tribulation. )
Daniel 9:27. And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
This will be "LIKE" what happened by Greek king Antiochus IV. in 2nd century BCE.
it is not but I believe it is leading up to it, I believe it is the world system... the mark you cannot buy nor sell! cashless is ahead...save you have the mark!
Hello Steven and friends. Now, perhaps the vaccine(s) as well as the coming of Covid worldwide, is a distraction or perhaps a test to our peace with God and man as born again believers and thereby needs to be considered with wisdom in our lives, while the mark of the beast has been on going and will come to completion in this age as man leaves his faith ahead of the return of God as Jesus and chooses by fear which is unbelief to buy and sell in His temple the lies of Satan for his cause (man and Satan). God will have Just and Holy vengeance in this matter like Jesus was able to when he entered the Temple with His holy yet tempered vengeance.
Jesus, the Master of Life, said, " I am the Life, the Way and the Truth." when we read of Jesus from the Bible, we can learn and understand life. In life, your friends, or the people you've helped can sometimes betray you. Remember, it was Judas Iscariot who betrayed Jesus. the man who ate bread from Jesus' table, was the very man who betrayed him to be arrested that night. that is a lesson of life....
So not let any man judge your feasts! sabbaths! full moons! ...the sabbath was made for man and not man for the sabbath....therefore jesus is lord of the sabbath! so what can your feasts avail...worship in spirit and truth ...then you will be led in his paths of righteousness and not look to mans traditions of celebrated events that do not matter !
jesus is the only way !
and looking upon jesus as he walked he saith behold the lamb of god !
but you are looking to feasts and hoping to gain approval!
eyes on jesus!
faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of god!
Thanks for the response. i don't mean the Passover of the Israelites, i mean Christ Jesus,our Passover accordn to 1 corinthians 5,7 n how he taught his disciples to celebrt. It's a feast so y not yearly,but people do as n when they prefer. Thanks for ya time Sir
The Lord & His disciples recognized & celebrated the Passover because the fulfilment of that Feast was not realized fully until the crucifixion of Christ.
As the Israelites in Egypt applied the blood of the animal on their doorposts so that the Lord would 'pass over' & not kill their firstborn, so through Christ's death, God's Lamb was sacrificed on our behalf & His Blood applied to our hearts & lives. By faith we accept that work of Grace & through faith the Blood cleanses us from every sin; the Lord seeing the application of the Cross in our lives, means He passes by us & we stand uncondemned & not face eternal death.
There is no reason for believers in Christ to commemorate Passover, if they do, they would bring themselves under the requirements of its intended meaning & application & that is no longer valid, as what the Israelites looked forward to (maybe, unknowingly), we have fully received through Jesus Christ. Their salvation from the bondage in Egypt is now our salvation from bondage to sin & condemnation.
Good day Sir. the passover was celebrated yearly by the Israelites, it was a festival,which the disciples kept. In the New Testament,Jesus Christ, why then do churches do it any time at,but not yearly? I see Paul in Acts going to witness Pentecost day which follows Passover.
So, i don't understand y today's church recognize Pentecost day yearly,but refuse to honor The Passover yearly as in scripture.NB: I mean Passover,not easter,please.
Joshua, in your reply on mathew 26. Respectfully your wrong. heres scripture to back it up. You stated above that If we continue our old practice - our dead in our sins way of living AFTER we become saved, we were never saved/born again to begin with( Hebrews 10:26, Hebrews 10:38-39, 1 John 2:15, 2 Peter 2:20-22). My scripture to back it up mathew 18:12. talks about the lost sheep.... i was saved before and wandered away. i am currently PURGING sin out of my life as you ARE CORRECT when you state that you dont continue in your sinful ways once you become a new creature... i just wanted to point out though that just because someone has gone astray and dead in sins and trespasses it DOES NOT mean that they werent already saved to begin with. Respectfully, stephen
A Jewish Wedding vs Being Caught Up to Jesus on Matthew 26 - 4 years ago
These are actual 7 steps of a Jewish wedding.
1. First, the Jewish groom barters with the father of the bride. They get together and they go back-and-forth, and barter as to what the deal is going to be.
2. Once they reach an agreement, the future bride is brought in. And if she approves of it, all three of them drink out of the covenant cup, which means from that time forward they are betrothed.
3. The groom goes back to his father's house to build their living quarters. It is built right off of the family home. And once the wedding takes place, and they are now married, they will go back to his family's home, and there will be living quarters that will be for them.
4. The father of the groom decides when the living quarters are done, and when he can go get his bride. What does that tell us? We don't know the time or the hour. It has to be a minimum of one year because it is a time of purity for her. The groom can go get his bride when his father decides it's time.
5. When the marriage announcement is made, catch this: the people who have already been invited to the wedding feast, they take their positions along the parade route, because the groom is going to get his bride. And there are people stationed in position all the way along the route. They join the parade as it passes by. It is called a parade.
6. When the groom reaches the bride's house, he stands at a distance and blows the shofar, the trumpet, for the bride to come out and meet him. And the wedding takes place at that time. Do you see anything in there about prophecy? The groom comes to get his bride, and he stands a ways off and blows the trumpet, and she comes out to meet him.
7. The parade goes back to the groom's house and the wedding feast begins. All of the guests in the parade gather in the Fellowship Hall, and the door is shut. This is not an open public thing.
True. And they got on to him for healing on the Sabbath day. And He replied: I am the Lord even on the Sabbath. Jesus don't take no time off from God's work. 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, every day. Work, work, work but He don't care about rest. He got to do His Fathers work while He is here.
As a rule, I don't comment on any Passover discussions. I believe Jesus is the Son of Man and he doesn't make mistakes. I leave it at that.
What I commented on, is scriptures show that Jesus was recorded as healing the sick and lame on Sabbath at times, which caused anger from the Pharisees & Sadducees.
"Satan is styled the "accuser of the brethren" ( Rev. 12:10. Comp." " Job 1:6; Zech. 3:1), as seeking to uphold his influence among" "men by bringing false charges against Christians,
with the view" of weakening their influence and injuring the cause with which they are identified.
He was regarded by the Jews as the accuser "of men before God, laying to their charge the violations of the" "law of which they were guilty, and demanding their punishment."
"The same Greek word, rendered "accuser," is found in John 8:10" "(but omitted in the Revised Version); Acts 23:30, 35; 24:8;" "25:16, 18,
in all of which places it is used of one who brings a" charge against another."
Mishael: I'm not saying we should tickle ears or stroke egos.
We should at least spend an equal amount of time Edifying the Brethern. Encouraging, lifting up wilting spirits, undergirding;
Standing in the gap and in the hedges, sitting in the watchtowers, even,
Interceding for the Saints, as Jesus is doing.
We talk the talk, but can we walk the walk of Jesus Christ? All of this knowledge and do we spend time in the Prayer Request room? Praying for the little people? What would Jesus do?
I don't say this in anger or in accusation. I'm just weary of hoping for change.
Do you know what the Passover is? Where did it come from. It happened 1000s of years before Jesus was born. The Passover was not Jesus. How did you get that?
If you faithfully read God's Word, pause and think upon what you've read; and then ask the Holy Spirit to teach the meaning to you: He will respond to your prayer.
Be prepared to write down what He says. You're going to want to search the scriptures again.
This kind of interaction every day builds your faith. It is the Sword of the Spirit.
When Ezekiel was prophesying to the bones, and they began to rattle: he was scared. He did what God said and the bones stood up. A great and mighty army.
Here's this little prophet of God seeing this awesome sight! He was changed by obedience; trust in Almighty God.
Sometimes I ask myself if my faith is a bone on the ground, or is it standing up in full armor, ready to do what God is saying to do.
And, I am prone to ask God things like: "what am I doing today?" How can I be of service?" Then we wait on His Word to us.
Some of us know what to be doing. We've seen scriptures that show us what to be doing. Our lives are about obedience to the known will of God, in this Book we carry around.
It's not for arguing. It's for launching cruise missiles of light and prayer against the kingdom of darkness that is enveloping this planet.
Man cannot save this earth. It's hemorrhaging on what's been done to it, in darkness. Satan desires to hurt everything that God has made, including the people on earth. And he knows his time is short: he can read scripture too. He just thinks he can win anyway.
Praise to our Savior who will fight the final battle and defeat Satan for eternity.
Have confidence and deep admiration in our Savior. The Holy Spirit desires to reveal more of Jesus to us. We have to study. We have to sit quietly in His presence and pray and wait for the Rhema of Gods Word.
Thanks
Leviticus 19:16; Psalm 15:2,3; Psalm 101:5; Proverbs 6:16-19; Proverbs 11:13; Proverbs 16:27,28; Proverbs 17:9; Proverbs 18:8; Proverbs 20:19; Proverbs 26:20; Romans 1:28-30; 2 Corinthians 12:20; 1 Timothy 5:11-13; Titus 2:3.
Abomination that maketh desolate.
Your claim:
ABOMINATION THAT MAKETH DESOLATE SET UP (both at the same time), there shall be a thousand two hundred ninety days (42 months, the period of Christ ministry in the flesh, first coming).
Your claim.
The daily sacrifice was taken away (at the same time) and the abomination that maketh desolate (sinful flesh is enmity to Spirit) set up (at the SAME TIME); at Christ death and resurrection. "YOU SAY THAT IS THE ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION "
Well Earl " ENTERTAINING" YOUR LOGIC, The flesh was crucified at the death of Christ. And the Spirit brought life at the resurrection. ( 3 days later )THAT'S NOT THE SAME TIME.
and THAT WHAT MAKETH DESOLATE ACCORDING TO YOUR LOGIC WOULD BE THE SPIRIT. Since it entered the temple/our bodies after the flesh was crucified. This is your interpretation of Daniel 12:11. You claim it's all spiritual.
Here's further proof why I can't accept your view on this. How do you fit these scriptures into your logic.
Daniel 9:27. And "HE" SHALL CONFIRM THE COVENANT WITH MANY FOR "ONE WEEK:" and in the midst of the week "HE" shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
And Jesus here:
Matthew 24:15. When ye therefore shall "SEE" the abomination of desolation, SPOKEN of BY DANIEL THE PROPHET, "STAND" in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
How could this be speaking of Christ death and resurrection when Jesus lays out events, warnings and a promise of his coming immediately following in
Mathew 24:16-51.
This is why I say spiritualizing "ALL" the text you can "Attempt to make it say anything.
I know you believe I spiritalize every thing to much, but I believe that's were the real truth lies.
Daniel 12:11 And from the TIME the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the ABOMINATION THAT MAKETH DESOLATE SET UP (both at the same time), there shall be a thousand two hundred ninety days (42 months, the period of Christ ministry in the flesh, first coming).
I agree with you about the FIRST abomination in the temple (all physical).
I BELIEVE, the SECOND time will be in the SPIRITUAL TEMPLE (within us).
The daily sacrifice was taken away (at the same time) and the abomination that maketh desolate (sinful flesh is enmity to Spirit) set up (at the SAME TIME); at Christ death and resurrection.
Isaiah 65:4 (This verse isn't LITERAL; like the first abomination, but a shadow of the second). Which remain among the graves (dead in trespasses), and lodge in monuments (we want to be a god in our flesh), which eat swine's flesh (instead of Christ flesh) (symbolic). and broth of abominable things IS IN their vessels (WE ARE THE TEMPLE OF GOD, we are the bowls (pots or vessels) on the alter).
At the end of your comments you said the second abomination that makes desolate would be "LIKE" the first. I don't know whether you were saying the second would also be in a physical temple, or was
like the first, being a shadow.
1 Corinthians 15:46 First the natural, then the spiritual.
Food for thought; the SPIRIT reveals.
I hold the view that this is a future event,
Mid way through the tribulation period.
Here's a Googled Discriptural outline.
Abomination of desolation"[Notes 1] is a phrase from the Book of Daniel describing the pagan sacrifices with which the 2nd century BCE Greek king Antiochus IV replaced the twice-daily offering in the Jewish temple, or alternatively the altar on which such offerings were made.[1] In the 1st century CE it was taken up by the authors of the gospels in the context of the Roman destruction of Jerusalem and the temple in the year 70,[2] with Mark giving Jesus a speech concerning the Second Coming,[3] Matthew 24:15-16 adding a reference to Daniel,[4] and Luke Luke 21:20-21 giving a description of the Roman armies ("But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies"); in all three it is likely that the authors had in mind a future eschatological (i.e., end-time) event, and the activities of the anti-Christ.
( Mid week tribulation. )
Daniel 9:27. And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
This will be "LIKE" what happened by Greek king Antiochus IV. in 2nd century BCE.
I hope this helps.
God bless.
jesus is the only way !
and looking upon jesus as he walked he saith behold the lamb of god !
but you are looking to feasts and hoping to gain approval!
eyes on jesus!
faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of god!
get the word into you !
get faith in jesus mighty name
As the Israelites in Egypt applied the blood of the animal on their doorposts so that the Lord would 'pass over' & not kill their firstborn, so through Christ's death, God's Lamb was sacrificed on our behalf & His Blood applied to our hearts & lives. By faith we accept that work of Grace & through faith the Blood cleanses us from every sin; the Lord seeing the application of the Cross in our lives, means He passes by us & we stand uncondemned & not face eternal death.
There is no reason for believers in Christ to commemorate Passover, if they do, they would bring themselves under the requirements of its intended meaning & application & that is no longer valid, as what the Israelites looked forward to (maybe, unknowingly), we have fully received through Jesus Christ. Their salvation from the bondage in Egypt is now our salvation from bondage to sin & condemnation.
So, i don't understand y today's church recognize Pentecost day yearly,but refuse to honor The Passover yearly as in scripture.NB: I mean Passover,not easter,please.
1. First, the Jewish groom barters with the father of the bride. They get together and they go back-and-forth, and barter as to what the deal is going to be.
2. Once they reach an agreement, the future bride is brought in. And if she approves of it, all three of them drink out of the covenant cup, which means from that time forward they are betrothed.
3. The groom goes back to his father's house to build their living quarters. It is built right off of the family home. And once the wedding takes place, and they are now married, they will go back to his family's home, and there will be living quarters that will be for them.
4. The father of the groom decides when the living quarters are done, and when he can go get his bride. What does that tell us? We don't know the time or the hour. It has to be a minimum of one year because it is a time of purity for her. The groom can go get his bride when his father decides it's time.
5. When the marriage announcement is made, catch this: the people who have already been invited to the wedding feast, they take their positions along the parade route, because the groom is going to get his bride. And there are people stationed in position all the way along the route. They join the parade as it passes by. It is called a parade.
6. When the groom reaches the bride's house, he stands at a distance and blows the shofar, the trumpet, for the bride to come out and meet him. And the wedding takes place at that time. Do you see anything in there about prophecy? The groom comes to get his bride, and he stands a ways off and blows the trumpet, and she comes out to meet him.
7. The parade goes back to the groom's house and the wedding feast begins. All of the guests in the parade gather in the Fellowship Hall, and the door is shut. This is not an open public thing.
Compare this to prophecy in Matthew Chapter 25
To allow a smile to linger on my lips,
To dwell within a wonderful memory,
To walk back through sunlit places.
Please help me to awake with hope,
To engage with life in all its variety,
To take in the beauty of others joys,
To touch the souls of those I meet with thankfulness.
Please help me to sing with faith,
To carry the truth close in my heart always,
To rejoice at new life and
To have peace as I age.
To taste the kindness of friendship,
To feel the warmth of embrace.
Please help me not to miss
A single drop of heaven,
To catch each moment
And drink in the great joy of life.
Please bring peace to this comment room today and always.
We ask and receive.
What I commented on, is scriptures show that Jesus was recorded as healing the sick and lame on Sabbath at times, which caused anger from the Pharisees & Sadducees.
I have no more comment on this.
"Satan is styled the "accuser of the brethren" ( Rev. 12:10. Comp." " Job 1:6; Zech. 3:1), as seeking to uphold his influence among" "men by bringing false charges against Christians,
with the view" of weakening their influence and injuring the cause with which they are identified.
He was regarded by the Jews as the accuser "of men before God, laying to their charge the violations of the" "law of which they were guilty, and demanding their punishment."
"The same Greek word, rendered "accuser," is found in John 8:10" "(but omitted in the Revised Version); Acts 23:30, 35; 24:8;" "25:16, 18,
in all of which places it is used of one who brings a" charge against another."
Mishael: I'm not saying we should tickle ears or stroke egos.
We should at least spend an equal amount of time Edifying the Brethern. Encouraging, lifting up wilting spirits, undergirding;
Standing in the gap and in the hedges, sitting in the watchtowers, even,
Interceding for the Saints, as Jesus is doing.
We talk the talk, but can we walk the walk of Jesus Christ? All of this knowledge and do we spend time in the Prayer Request room? Praying for the little people? What would Jesus do?
I don't say this in anger or in accusation. I'm just weary of hoping for change.
Have a great Saturday. God bless.
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Be prepared to write down what He says. You're going to want to search the scriptures again.
This kind of interaction every day builds your faith. It is the Sword of the Spirit.
When Ezekiel was prophesying to the bones, and they began to rattle: he was scared. He did what God said and the bones stood up. A great and mighty army.
Here's this little prophet of God seeing this awesome sight! He was changed by obedience; trust in Almighty God.
Sometimes I ask myself if my faith is a bone on the ground, or is it standing up in full armor, ready to do what God is saying to do.
And, I am prone to ask God things like: "what am I doing today?" How can I be of service?" Then we wait on His Word to us.
Some of us know what to be doing. We've seen scriptures that show us what to be doing. Our lives are about obedience to the known will of God, in this Book we carry around.
It's not for arguing. It's for launching cruise missiles of light and prayer against the kingdom of darkness that is enveloping this planet.
Man cannot save this earth. It's hemorrhaging on what's been done to it, in darkness. Satan desires to hurt everything that God has made, including the people on earth. And he knows his time is short: he can read scripture too. He just thinks he can win anyway.
Praise to our Savior who will fight the final battle and defeat Satan for eternity.
Have confidence and deep admiration in our Savior. The Holy Spirit desires to reveal more of Jesus to us. We have to study. We have to sit quietly in His presence and pray and wait for the Rhema of Gods Word.
Mishael
Jesus is real. I saw Him. Believe in Him.
Have no doubts. Have confidence & Faith.
Male or female: Do what is in your heart.