Philippians Chapter 3 Discussion Page 2

Hello Mishael,

If I may share with you what I've learned about the phrase "God Speed." It is only used in Second John verses 10-11 as far as I know. Now in second John, it talks about deceivers and false teachers that were corrupting the church.

It says in Verse 9 that whosoever transgresses, and abides not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God, Does not have God! A person is called a transgressor that's going beyond. The Gnostics went beyond the teachings of Jesus Christ, or the doctrine of Christ.

And they went beyond the teachings of the apostles. They did not remain in the doctrine of Christ, but they went in another direction. And John says they do not have God. And then it says "He that abides, and that's a Present Participle, meaning the one who is abiding continuously in the doctrine of Christ, he has both the Father and the Son. Uh oh! The Gnostics don't believe the Father and the Son go together, or as one. Here we go again!

But as far as this phrase "God Speed," it means do not speak greetings. If someone comes knocking on your door trying to share the "gospel" with you, and you know it is false, you are not to let them in your home.

Verse 11 gives us the reason. It says, "For he that bids him God speed, or greetings, is partaker of his evil deeds." That sounds pretty harsh and we might ask how is that showing love? But if love is not associated with the truth, it is not God's love, and we're deceiving ourselves.

So if someone comes to my door and is bringing false doctrine, I can't even say "Good luck." I can't even say "Greetings anyway." Some people would do that and say I can't let you in my house because of your false doctrine, and they feel really bad about it, and they at least say "God bless you today as you go on your journey!



John says even if you say that, you are a partaker of their evil work. The word partaker is the word KOINONIA which means fellowship. You're fellowshiping with their evil works. Now that's pretty heavy!

Are you using a King James Bible?

I'm generally responding to other people's posts, which I enjoy very much. I don't care for controversy as a rule. I'm an old evangelist who can't seem to retire yet. I try to interest others to speak their faith to others while the Lord tarries a little more. I think that's what this forum is about. That, and just answering questions.

You learn stuff on the sidewalks of life. If I ran into you, I would think you are not ready to hear the Good News.

I've been fasting all day, the sun is setting and I'm off to quiet the grumbling in my middle :D

My cat is holding a vigil over her bowl too. I will see everyone tomorrow. God speed. (I've never known what that really means, do you?

Ahmad

You asked: "What does "Who God is their belly" mean?"

It means glutton, guzzler, gourmand, guttler. Kind of people whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.

MISHAEL

Beware of dogs... Dogs? Who are them?

JESUS said: Revelation 22:v.12 and 15

12 Behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

15 For without are DOGS, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

But who are these dogs among us? The answer is in Isaiah 56:v. 8-11

8 The Lord God, which gathereth the outcasts of Israel saith, Yet will I gather others to him, beside those that are gathered unto him.

10 His watchmen are blind: they are all ignorant, they are all dumb DOGS, they cannot bark; sleeping, lying down, loving to slumber.

11 Yea, they are greedy dogs which can never have enough, and they are SHEPHERDS that cannot understand: they all look to their own way, every one for his gain, from his quarter.

And the TAIL of the red Dragon? Who are them?

The Word of GOD reveals who are them.

Philippians 3

In verse 18, Paul expressed his sorrow over the plight of unsaved false teachers. In this verse, he offers four descriptions regarding their behaviors.

First these false teachers are not simply Christians who misunderstood a portion of the gospel. These are unsaved individuals, rejecting the gospel itself, and who will experience destruction apart from faith in Christ.

Second, for false teachers, Paul notes their focus on greed. Many false teachers, then and now, seek money in order to make a profit ( 1 Timothy 6:5), rather that truly serving the Lord. In contrast to Christ-like believers, false teachers are more concerned with their own desires than the needs of other people ( Romans 16:18).

Third, these false teachers call evil good, and promote sinful actions as being right. More than simply excusing sin, they celebrate it.

Fourth, the goal of false teachers is not on Christ and being with Him for eternity. In contrast with Paul's teachings, throughout chapter 3, their goal is on the here and now. Their only thought is what they can get out of life and other people-today.

Philippians 3:2, 3, 18, 19

2 Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the concision.

3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.

18 For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the ENEMIES of the cross of Christ:

19 Whose end is destruction, whose God is their BELLY, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.

Mishael: do not be deceived. We're living in the time period of the Great Falling Away (into apostasy). Your defense is to know what the Bible says, on what someone teaches you. Search it out yourself. Don't "eat" everything someone tosses out your way, until you verify the scriptures.

Bless those who ARE teaching truth. God will confirm it.

Mishael

What does "Who God is their belly" mean?

That's wonderful Sharon!

I hope it was a blessing to you all.

May God bless you and the family.

Hi my name is Sharon I just want to say something that God done for me he helped me to be able to see my mom and my family that I didn't no and I think that is really good

Genesis 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

Genesis 18:27 And Abraham answered and said, Behold now, I have taken upon me to speak unto the Lord, which am but dust and ashes:

Job 4:19 How much less in them that dwell in houses of clay, whose foundation is in the dust, which are crushed before the moth?

Psalms 103:14, Psalms 104:29 , -- Ecclesiastes 3:20 All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.

Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

We haven't cremated any of our family, no plans to. But I wouldn't think it makes a difference.

Suffering and Struggle.......

That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death Philppians 3 verse 10.

Being in Christ is enjoying Christ, The Holy Spirit and the Father, but als a continious fight against our old nature, sin, the devil and the spirit of the world.

Do you love these hymn lyrics as I do? (Based on Philippians 3:8)

LORD JESU, WHEN WE STAND AFAR

"I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord." Philippians 3:8

Lord Jesu, when we stand afar

And gaze upon Thy holy cross,

In love of Thee, and scorn of self,

O may we count the world as loss

There's nothing indicated in the Bible about cremation, whether for the Jew or Christian. The only possible cremation event we have is in 1 Samuel chapter 31, where the dead King Saul & his sons (killed by the Philistine army) were found by the people of Jabeshgilead & they burnt their bodies & then buried their bones; so this was not a cremation in its fullest sense.

But from a Christian perspective, we have no commandment to prohibit cremation & this is often taken up as an option, given the higher costs of buying a plot & the burial. And not knowing the RCC position on this (one would have to ask their priest), I would think that they too would permit it, under certain conditions. The early Church of the New Testament, would have used tombs or sepulchres as the Jews did, & so we today, generally bury our dead. My preference is for burial rather than cremation, though this is purely a person's choice.

Please guide me as to the verses regarding cremation. Whether pro or anti. We have read Genesis 3:19. Need further direction as it pertains to the Catholic Church.

This is not what I wanted

Debra Take a look at 2 Timothy 25&26 also I Timothy 4:1-4 The same thing is still going on You confess Romans 10;9&10 to get born again of Gods Spirit baptism by water not needed.

What is the concision?

there is miracles in the lord yes yes it is real you have to give up fear it will kill you i have no more fear it will be done so mot it be god sends his angels they will watch over you

I certainly have no skill or knowledge to respond to such scientific experiments or goals. All I know is that man has never been able to, nor ever can, create something out of nothing. He may be able to replicate to some extent, but not create. As much as he has advanced in the scientific & medical spheres, a created being can never assume the creative powers & unsearchable wisdom of God. He might be able to build a robot to accomplish a myriad of tasks, but if he cannot tell where man came from & how things have come together, it can & should leave him humbled because of the minuscule amount of knowledge & skill that he actually does possess. Job chapter 38. He could, in His ignorance & self-worth, compare himself to the Almighty God, even as one who believes he has the power to control his present & future, but he is brought to total insignificance when he can't even stop the effects of sin on his life which ultimately leads to his death & eternal destruction.

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h. That it appears from the Word that Christians began worshipping the Lord on the first day of the week ( Acts 20:7, 1 Corinthians 16:2), though attendance to meeting with others at the synagogue was still practised by Paul ( Acts 9:20, 13:5, 14:1, etc.), there appears a departure from the religious side of the Sabbath to the first day of the week, maybe in remembrance of the Lord's resurrection & a separation from the Jewish Sabbath which included worship. No doubt, the Sabbath still remained a day of rest for them.

I am personally not inclined to whether I worship on the first day, the second or even the seventh day, as the Sabbath Day significance has no application or meaning to me under the New Covenant. When I was in employment, the need for a rest day was still required & appreciated, but that's all there was to it. If Sunday as a worship day is a problem to some, then set another day aside to worship with the Lord's people. But if to keep the Sabbath becomes an unquestionable, non-negotiable requirement that can bring on the Wrath of God or disfavour to the people, then I simply cannot see that expressed in the Word or by the Spirit, & one would have to do some intricate exegesis to provide convincing proof.

Apologies for keeping this response lengthy (though brief, in some respects), but thought to raise some thoughts for you to chew on & respond where necessary, i.e. trying to lay down some groundwork to build upon. Every blessing.

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f. Jesus' time of suffering & death came, but also His glorious resurrection, that through this Divine Act of God to redeem ALL men to Himself, both Jew & Gentile would now be acceptable to Him through faith in the efficacy of the shed Blood. Was the Sabbath & the Law still current for the Jew? As long as they lived according to the requirements of the Law, they had to abide by it & were judged by it; if they failed in one part of the given Law, they had failed in all ( Galatians 5:3, Romans 2:13, James 2:10). When the Jew put aside the Law as necessary for salvation, then the application of the Cross became real: that which was based on faith & promise, & not on the letter that only served to reveal him his sin & to draw him to Christ ( Galatians 3:24).

g. So why then is the keeping of the Sabbath still necessary? For the Jew without Christ, it remains a day of rest, as an act of obedience to God, & using that occasion for religious exercises. For the Jew & Gentile who is now "in Christ", the Sabbath, as all other Laws, have no binding, other than the importance of setting a Rest Day aside from our labours, & the Laws that reveal God's Mind & Purpose for both religious & social responsibility. If one, whether Jew, Gentile or Christian, chose to keep any of the Laws, including Sabbath, then they were bound to keep it & the whole Law - there's no option to pick & choose. And by keeping the Law to justify ourselves before God, even one Law, then precludes us from the Grace of God through Christ, because that is diametrically opposed to the meaning of the Law ( Galatians 5:4).

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c. Numbers 28:9,10. Not only a day of cessation from labour, but was also used in religious activity: in this instance, sacrifice (a special burnt offering). From this, we might learn that the day of rest also involved sacrifice & maybe a rehearsal of the laws given by God to Moses. So we can't think of it as just a day to sleep-in & be totally unproductive in mind & spirit.

d. Various Scriptures concerning the 'do's' & 'don't do's' on the Sabbath are shown in the Word. The people could not "kindle a fire, collect Manna, trade in goods, or bear burdens". They could however, "be involved in military campaigns, weddings, feasts, offering of sacrifices, opening gates, changing guards, etc."

e. Till the building of the first Temple (Solomon's), all religious activity was contained in the precincts of the Tabernacle. When the Temple was erected, public worship & activity took place there. After the rebuilding of the Second Temple (c. 352 BC) led by Ezra, public worship recommenced. In Jesus' day, both the Temple & the Synagogue existed: as Chabad dot org says, "The purpose of the synagogue was to provide a venue to facilitate and enhance the Biblical obligation of prayer by adding a communal element." When the Roman army destroyed this temple in 69 AD, the synagogue remained the only place to come together. So, the Jews maintained the 7th day of rest as prescribed but also used that day productively in the synagogue. And this is where we find Jesus: both at the Temple ( Matthew 21:12,13) & also at the Synagogue ( Matthew 4:23), teaching but also condemning the religious leaders for their hypocrisy, high status, extra stipulations for the Sabbath, & grievous burdens laid on the people (Matthew chap 23). Jesus conformed perfectly to His Father's Commandment in treating the Sabbath as holy & in doing so, revealed to the leaders their failure to understand its meaning, both in rest & correct religious observance & practise.

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Hello Rodney. I see that this matter is much on your heart & with anything that requires serious consideration, I find that if we have the basic understanding of it, then we can confidently proceed from there. But if we have disagreement at that 'basic' level, then whatever proceeds from there, will amplify our objections & take us to further divergent thoughts & conclusions. So, with the Sabbath Day, it's only proper to understand what is given to us in the Word & what God requires of us by His Command. Therefore, I will state what I believe on that subject & you can take issue with me in point form, so that the matter might be properly addressed. And by the way, I'm here on this Site just as you & others are, to share, discuss & learn more from God's Word. May the Lord help us & give us His Wisdom.

a. Genesis 2:2,3. On the seventh day, God rested from His Work & blessed that day & sanctified it. Was God exhausted & worn out from that demanding work of creation? The use of the word, Shabath, indicates that it was simply a cessation of work. And in the Genesis account, I'm not trying to decipher whether the days of creation were literal 24 hour days, or days denoting extended periods of time. The point was that for six 'creation' days God involved Himself in work & on the seventh He desisted from such work which doesn't imply any physical weariness.

b. Exodus 20:8-11. The first direct instruction given to the children of Israel concerning this day of rest, Shabath. The keeping of this day holy (set apart) as with the rite of circumcision, marked out this people as belonging to the Lord, that which no other nation was given or observed. All humans & animals in the company of God's people had to desist from any form of work or else punishment by death followed ( Exodus 31:12-17). This command (or, any other commands) & any requirement to observe them, were not given to any other people except to Israel.

Hi Chris. .i do realise your have to respond to many question.just food for thought .i will be brief. Scientist have built enormous particle accelerator costing billion trying to duplicate what God put into existance by the" word of His mouth" they have tried to create life but to no avail .then they decided what the heck and they built a robot instead .hence we have Sophia.now that is another topic to descuss whenever you have the time .

Kind Regards

Rodney

Dear Chris .Thank you for your prompt reply. I m sure you agree when the heavens and the earth were created ,it was the creation of one God ,our creator. sadly Satan misleads the majority of us into believing there are many gods and many paths leading to the Kingdom of the true God and His Son Jesus Christ. From a logical perspective the creation of the heavens and earth ,the universe is to complex for us mere mortals to even try to comprehend adding to that indescribeable event God created the heavens and the earth in six days and on the 7th God rested and put aside ,"Santified a special day of rest.. a sign of our alegiance to our creator.my thought is this why on such a mind boggling event would the 7 th day of rest and worship over time now become the 1st day of the week. Would the almighty God allow such a change to happen? ! God forbid! I will bck up my claim with verses .Chris ,if i may call you Chis? I ask myself did the 7th Sabbath precede the Sunday of worship or viseverse.im using capital letter Sunday out of respect for your belief. I got to start replying to your verses of the day one reason being i read your prayers and they are of dedication and genuine concern for your fellow human beings .i am replying for the same reason out of genuine concern for my fellow human beings.May we according to God's word together descredit Satan and his lies and deceit .and i mean for us to do this being led by the Holy Ghost..if God is for us ! Who can be against us and i say this with conviction.please advise .

Kind Regards

Rodney

Hello Rodney. Thank you. May the Lord add His special blessings to your lives too, & that you in return might be a blessing to others He draws to you. I'm usually on this Site each day, unless I need to be away, so please feel free to share your verses & thoughts that we might be enriched through the study of God's Word.

Hi Chris .May you and your family have a Blessed ,safe and festive holiday .i have verses which i would like to share .please let me knw when i can do so

Kind Regards

Rodney

Paul's letter to the Philippians was written by Paul (considered one of his letters he wrote while imprisoned in Rome). He wrote it to the Church in Philippi, which he founded during his second missionary journey. Philippi was a small city, founded by King Philip of Macedonia (father of Alexander the Great). The residents were called Philippians. The other city close to Philippi was Thessalonica, which was the second city that Paul preached to during that journey. And so we read of Paul's other two letters to that Church also. Both Philippi & Thessalonica were in Macedonia (if you want to see it on a map, then it would be located just north of Greece).

Who or what is Philippians?

Mystery Babylon in revelation 17 , most assume it's the RRC ,

Then who are her harlot daughters ? They hold the same teachings perhaps , this is a huge religious system mixed with the world .

We know the RRC excepts other religions and is ecumenical.

Even Billy Graham was in association with them .

The Nicene creed was the beginning of the RRC so how many hold to these doctrines ?

If it's not the RRC then who is it ? It would need to be way in the future, because only RRC would fit the discription currently.

Numbers Chapter 21

8 And the LORD said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live.

9 And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived.

Mishael