Psalms Chapter 138 Discussion Page 3

Hey Darren, This may take a bit, to study all the scripture you have put out there. First, I admire your passion whether I agree or not with what you post. We agree Satan casting out starts the 42 months great tribulation but I do not agree this initiated the 6th trumpet the 2nd woe. If we read Revelation 11 and Revelation 12 it was the third woe the final woe. Rev.11:14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly. Rev.12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

Revelation is hard to grasp because it is not written in chronological order. Some of the same events are revealed differently in the seals, trumpets, and bowls.



I will study the verses you posted and get back. Ron

You are not alone Sacha. I have the same strife in my world. Nobody cares or wants to hear it. Slag the Gospel without knowing it. Too frightened to let go of the material word we are in. I hear it every day "fairy tales" "Big man in the sky"

Unfortunately people love to sin ( we ain't immune to that of course ) but not willing to be accountable or come to the Lord in repentance or even give it a chance. I feel alone in my family but I know I'm not alone at the same time.

Patience and a good testimony. It can be hard I Know.

Hi everyone ,im wondering if other Christians have similar feelings to me ,most of my friends and family are atheists ,they know im not ,ive tried over the years to bring God into conversation but no one is interested ,the problem i have is that i care very much about these people and my greatest wish is for them to know what i know but they dont want it and as time goes on some of them are getting quite old and actually dying,this gets me down a bit ,i want them all to live as long as possible so that they are still alive when Christ returns and hopefully they will very quickly realise whos has been loving them and who will continue to love them and they will follow Him ,anyone have similar thoughts ? feelings ? When some one i love dies without knowing Christ its much more painfull than when a commited Christian dies ,i thhink so any way .

Ezekiel 21:12 Cry and howl, son of man: for it shall be upon my people, it shall be upon all the princes of Israel: terrors by reason of the sword shall be upon my people: smite therefore upon thy thigh.

It is upon MY people. 'Thy thigh' is a reference to Jacob's time of trouble and,

Isaiah 24:15-17 Wherefore glorify ye the LORD in the fires, even the name of the LORD God of Israel in the isles of the sea. From the uttermost part of the earth have we heard songs, even glory to the righteous. But I said, My leanness, my leanness, woe unto me! the treacherous dealers have dealt treacherously; yea, the treacherous dealers have dealt very treacherously. Fear, and the pit, and the snare, are upon thee, O inhabitant of the earth.

Ron,

I agree when satan's kicked out of heaven and that initiates the 6th trumpet, 2nd woe, day of the Lord. For reference, here are a few describing the same event from different angles: Isaiah 13, Isaiah 21:1-9, Isaiah 24, Isaiah 47, Ezekiel 21:1-24, Ezekiel 38:1-17, Joel 2:1-11, 2 Thessalonians 2:3, Revelation 18. This battle is over in an hour.

Daniel 9:27 I see what you are saying about the language, the dualism. At this point, I need to examine other evidence surrounding this verse, compared to other scriptures to better pin point what is going on.

Right off the bat, it is well known that the day of the Lord sees Jesus coming like a thief with His northern army to lay the land desolate. God states that anti-Christ's army is His army, Joel 2: 10-11

Seeing then that I will cut off from thee the righteous and the wicked, therefore shall my sword go forth out of his sheath against all flesh from the south to the north: Ezekiel 21:1-7 "MY sword will go out of HIS sheath".

Howl ye; for the day of the LORD is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty, Isaiah 13: 6 This characteristic of the strike is synonymous with the man of sin, spoiler at noonday, anti-Christs.



God furbishes a sword and places it in the slayers (anti-Christ's) hand, Ezekiel 21:9-12 Russia has God-like weaponry, God has blessed Russia's scientists. Howl ye; for the day of the LORD is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty, Ezekiel 21:12

The 70 weeks is a classic Bible mystery. I will study it again. The way I explained it to you makes sense to me considering the 6th trumpet lasts 42 months. I have no strong convictions towards it, and would evolve my mind if I was presented a sound concept. As it stands, it is a side bar to my love of the Lord and His prophets.

I will be around to reprove.

Hey Darren, thanks for answering back, we do agree on the 7 years of tribulation is 3 years or 42 months. You may agree or not, this starts when Satan is cast out in Revelation 12. Many think Satan was cast out long ago but we see in Job he still has access to heaven, in Rev. 12 we see he no longer has access to heaven and they are rejoicing in heaven. Satan (dragon) then gives his power, and his seat, and great authority to the beast, then the great tribulation starts. I'm sorry I don't know where the thousands of years come from.

Back to Daniel in vs. 27 "And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate." The he does not change. The same he that shall confirm is the same he shall make it desolate, the scriptures show this is Jesus not a antichrist.

When Jesus was crucified on the cross He caused the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, (the old Levitical covenant animal sacrifices) because Jesus is the final sacrifice. Matthew 23:37-38 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! 38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

Jesus through his disciples He confirmed for the second half of the week. Matthew 10:5-7 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: 6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand. The 70 weeks ended when Peter had his dream and Paul was sent out.

I would like to continue with this if we both agree to study and be open to the truth. Ron

Your time line is not accurate according to events. Prophesy doesn't read in a consecutive linear. This prophesy is split up between thousands of years. Jesus' 42 months corresponds with anti-Christ's 42 months, and set side by side, they equate to the last week. I don't expect you to understand it, now. Thanks for your side of it.

In the midst of the week, Messiah was cut off at Calvary.

Darren, This is out of love, many people study prophecies and it can suck you in like treasure hunting. One lead leads to another and in the next clue you will have the answer. I do not know what your mission is but what posts I have read of yours seem based on total speculations other people have made that you want to prove or surpass them. In Matthew 24 The first thing Jesus said to them was "Take heed lest any man deceive you:" One meaning of this is to be taken out of the way. We can be taken out of the way and be like a dog chasing our tail becoming useless to the body of Christ.

In your post, you have taken the prophecy given to Daniel, the 70 weeks that has already been misinterpreted, they put the last week at the end of days, creating the seven weeks of tribulation with the rapture of the church, and more, but the worst, it has millions of people looking for something that is not coming. But you're saying the antichrist has the second half, how can that be if the 70 weeks have been fulfilled already.



It would take too many words to show why this prophecy has been fulfilled but maybe simple math will show it was fulfilled. Take Vs. 25 " from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks:" So, when the Messiah shows up is 69 weeks. John baptizes Jesus and His ministry starts and it is clear Jesus was here 3 years, His disciples the last 3 confirming the new covenant to the lost sheep of Israel. The Messiah shows up on the 69th week so anything after this is in the 70th week. Vs. 26 "And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself:" This verse does not include the 7 weeks, too long to explain but simple logic, the Messiah came in the 69th week so he could not have been crucified before he showed up. This is short but I hope it makes sense or at least inspires one to search and study for the truth. Ron

I'd like to add some commentary concerning Jesus' ministry. The 70th week is split evenly, and over time, between Jesus and Anti-Christ: each having 42 months (3.5 years) power. Jesus' ministry was the 1st half of the week, 42 months, and was cut off, crucified, then in the end-times, satan gets the 2nd half of the week, 42 months.

Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Revelation 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

Revelation 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

We also see that the 2 witnesses (The 144,000, The woman/church) are persecuted by by satan for 42 months, Revelation 12:4

These hostilities takes place between the 6th and 7th trumpets, during anti-Christs rule.

There is no such thing as a 7 year great tribulation, satan only gets 42 months.

Andy,

There isn't. However, check this out:

"And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli," Luk 3:23

Theologians believe, based on the number of Passover celebrations Jesus celebrated with His disciples, that His active ministry was 3 1/2 years.

Hence 33 1/2 at His death.

Exactly where in the bible one can find the scripture referring to age of Jesus being 33 1/2 years old when he died ?

Jesus will never leave us nor forsake us. He is true to his word. Glory to god, praise him while you can. Tomorrow is not promise to no one repent and pray, turn back from your wick ways.

Thy right hand is pointing to Jesus who is sitting at the right hand of the Father now.

"thy right hand shall save me." - verse 7, why God's right hand will save? Symbolism with right hand?

The 138th Psalm has been revealed to me in my spirit as the 'Soldiers Psalm '. Verse one expresses the submission of a soldier 's heart to the only thing that is above him, that which a soldier looks to in those times of knowledge that a sacrifice of ones life is apparent, real and possible. ..the Almighty God is revered at this time in the heart of a soldier in combat.....

Psalms 138 gives hope to a lowly sinner such as myself, that the salvation bought by the Blood of Jesus, saves me for the Father's glory. That I might serve Him with joy all the days of my life. That knowing my Lord and my God in Spirit and truth transforms me into a son of the living God! Thank You Jesus!!!