Verse 10 of this Psalm certainly gives us pause to think of an average lifespan; as the last years are indeed a struggle. If this refers to the last generation; we need to consider that 1948 may not have been the correct beginning for that day.
We notice where Christ says"..behold the fig trees and ALL the trees.." ( Luke 21:29) This would perhaps indicate economic prosperity for the surrounding nations which the Gulf states are already seeing ahead of them with agreements with Israel. It would seem for Israel to be attacked when they live securely and with unwalled villages in the Ezekiel 38 war; first the events of Psalm 83 would expand Israel's borders and eliminate the constant conflicts with the Palestinians and other nearby surrounding countries. Then; it would be likely the Daniel 27 covenant would have a league with countries such as Iran; Turkey; Syria and perhaps others in N. Africa and make it seem that Israel's issues are over. Just another perspective here. In any event; this psalm tells us that we are to "number our days." (v.12). Life is as a fleeting shadow; there is truly little time before night comes; and no man can work ( John 9:4). The millennium seems a clear concept as well here from v. 4; with the last day of rest for the whole world bringing the world in a way back to the way it was on the last day of the Creation; a sort of rest for the whole creation that has been travailing to this point.( Romans 8:22 etal).
Hello T. Harjo. I'm unsure to what extent you want to study (or, share from) Psalm 90, but I can give you an outline of the Psalm that you can develop on.
It is the oldest Psalm in the Psalter, accredited to Moses. It can be divided as follows:
Verses 1,2: the eternality of God.
Verses 3-6: the fraility of man.
Verses 7,8: the sinfulness of man.
Verses 9-12: the shortness of life.
Verses 13-17: Moses' prayer for God's Grace upon His people. When we receive His Grace, life will be joyous, His Work in us & for us will be appreciated when seen from His Perspective, & His Blessing will be upon our labours & we will be used of Him.
If we were to buy into some erroneous teachings regarding the time of the end we might easily be convinced that Jesus was not coming for his Church until certain scheduled events had occurred, thus ignoring the explicit admonition of Jesus to his disciples:
Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh. ( Matthew 24:42-44)
The rapture is at the end, at the 7th trumpet, and for the very few who survived the chaos. We haven't been hit with the 6th trumpet yet ( Isaiah 13, Isaiah 47, Rev 18), the day of the Lord, the abomination of desolation set in America, or the invasion and captivity of Israel. You'll have to make it through anti-christ's 42 month rule before any intervention occurs. Everything Biblical has a specific order and time-line to be fulfilled.
I don't believe that Genesis 6:3 tells us how long we can live. Moses, who wrote that verse, lived longer than that. The 120 years refers to the time then left before the coming flood.
In the King James Translation (KJT) of Psalm 90:10, the word "strength" occurs twice.
In the expression, "if by reason of strength ", the word "strength" translates from a Hebrew word which literally means human endurance pertaining to longevity according to age.
In the subsequent expression, "yet is their strength ", the word "strength" translates from an entirely different Hebrew word than that in the previous expression. Now, the word "strength" from the Hebrew literally describes a prideful boast. Yet, this boast seems of a mocking kind, for those of advanced age can only "boast" of their extreme pain and debilities. Their daily living consists of "labor and sorrow" due to their physical body's extreme weaknesses, and even due to their sicknesses and diseases which often exists. Even in the absence of sickness, the bodies of the extremely old will surely give out and die.
Consider Solomon's pessimistic outlook regarding the human body's aging as recorded in Ecclesiastes 12:3-7.
The Hebraic meaning of the word translated "labor" describes the misery involved in performing even the simplest tasks required for living comfortably and of taking care of the human body.
The Hebraic meaning of the word translated "sorrow" describes the lingering effects of guilt and regret attached to former sins of which the aged must live. Note that the same Hebrew word, translated here into "sorrow", also translates into "iniquity", an especially grievous sin of perversity, at least forty-seven times in the KJT, and also into other words such as "wicked" or "wickedness" as well as "vanity" and "unrighteous".
These descriptions seem very pessimistic and even fatalistic in nature, yet redeemed Christians take great comfort in their DIVINE REDEEMER and SAVIOR by living under the principles of verses twelve through fifteen.
In Genesis chapter 1, God's creation of man & woman in His Image are the same people in Genesis chapter 2, where this human creation on the sixth day is further amplified & discussed. I don't see any contradiction or even the creation of two different races of people here: the first account is just giving God's Activity on each of creation's days, & the second account gives more detail of that creation.
It is talking about christmas beloved. it is wrong. those who bedeck the tree with gold after cutting it down...thats a christmas tree! people who celebrate that is not of god...
My understanding of the three (maybe more) uses of the words, Earth, World & Nations, are purely taken from the Hebrew & seen in the Scriptures. One would of course need a learned person in Hebrew to correctly impart the specifics to these meanings.
So as I understand it, we have the Earth in its uninhabited, maybe deformed state. Then we have the World, as now being inhabited or habitable. Then the word for Nations, specifying the nations which formed post Flood. What I could ascertain from a quick check on these words, is that their meanings were not always consistent; that's why I mentioned that it was really up to the writer to include a word that reflected his thoughts - & that word might, to us, seem inappropriate. But that's all we have to work with, given our limited understanding.
Yet all that may not help you much, so my further thoughts to your last comment: I wouldn't be able to classify the nations as being the 'other worlds': they're just separate nations existing on a habitable World that once was inhabitable or uninhabited. But a Hebrew student could well correct me on this.
I'm surprised that your Pastor deflected your question as it pertained directly to his comment. Not knowing his message or where he was going with it, it would be difficult to ascertain what he was referring to, saying "God loves only one World out of many". Maybe he was speaking about the special people (= World) of believers, but that too wouldn't make sense. Maybe, when he enquired about your plans for Christmas, you could stated to him that you wished to visit some of those 'other Worlds' he spoke about & that you needed more information to make your pressing plans for a great holiday, come to fruition.
So now im back to square one because that is confusing.....so here is another way I can put it...there are worlds that live on the Earth! Correct? Like the sea creatures are a different world from land creatures! Thats why I gave the russia & China example! Because my pastor once told everyone that God only loves one world out of the many there are but when I asked him about this he deflected the question and somehow got me into talking about what am I doing for Christmas!
Now, if you're looking at specific nations, as opposed to just a land mass (eh'-rets) or the inhabited world (tay-bale'), then there appears another word for nations (goy), which would include specific nations as Russia or China. So, the Hebrew (tay-bale') would refer to the general habitation of all peoples & nations.
Since the Bible doesn't specifically refer to either Russia or China, though there are countries (e.g. Tubal, Meshech, Gog, Magog, etc.) that we can't be certain by using today's country names & divisions, the specific mentioning of Russia or China is not in the Bible.
So, I'm unsure whether this answers the intent of your question.
No opinions from me, just appealing to the Hebrew. In this passage, 'Earth' is 'eh'-rets', meaning the Earth, land in its virgin state, as in Genesis 1:1; 1:28.
And 'World' in Hebrew, is 'tay-bale' ', meaning the world viewed as being inhabited, as in Job 18:18; Psalm 9:8.
Both the above references, and many more, show the exact Hebrew words that depict the intended meaning of the writer.
Before the mountaines were broughtforth, or euer thou hadst formed the earth and the world
Psalms 90:2
Someone explain because I thought the earth was the world?
And as the bible says, let precept be upon precept and line upon line, please don't give me your opinion on this verse, give me scripture upon scripture and if it doesn't line up with that verse to the point where I can understand it I need someone else to try to explain!
1 John 5:7 7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
Isaiah 9:6
6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
John 1:1-18
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
1 John 5:6-8
6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.
7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
John 14:9-12
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.
12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
This psalm of Moses is so often used to say that a person cannot live more than 80 years. This is an error. Moses was simply singing about the people living in a DESERT, i.e. not in comfortable homes. Nor was he prophecying. God has told us clearly that our lifespans can reach 120 years ( Genesis 6).
To try to say that Christ must return before 2028 because that is 80 years after 1948, is an error. Let us not clutch at straws but lovingly call on Jesus Christ whether we are in this body or in another kind of body.
And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. ( 2 Corinthians 5:18-19)
Though innocent, the Lamb of God Jesus suffered exceedingly:
Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God. For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds. ( Hebrews 12:2-3)
Faith endures:
...And others had trial of cruel mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment: They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented; (Of whom the world was not worthy:) they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth. And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise: God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect. (from Hebrews 11)
Jesus said:
These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world. ( John 16:33)
The LORD has a wonderful purpose in trials and suffering:
That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ: Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory: Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls. ( 1 Peter 1:7-9)
Can you tell me why He, God is so mad with me?? won't even respond when intercessors pray for me or when I do? This dilemma need help when promised that he does nothing but good, the enemy is allowed to rob me of my days causing so much pain & suffering. And constantly calls me and the neighbors out of our names and not having control..He be shouting and yelling all the time....not even having mercy on anyone praying for me and won't supply any of my needs. I'm a leader that he treats like I'm not. I thought it was against the law to get lied to, when he won't do any work either I don't want a not right Lord, why don't he leave us alone, even called somebody a reprobated mind and sit and meddle at her all day long making her days embarrassing, and sits working every ill to a neighbor touching in that final decision and promised not to lie and say " so" real heavy every time someone wants to talk about how I go through wrongful in turmoil, and partial and don't care, say he isn't that way in the bible, and deal with mind with a law warring in my member and see about nothing. Promised to supply but right non chalantly to give a negative answer when it should be gentle, He acts like he's declining in spirit, defames a character alot..and keeps touching in mind healing it up. And act like a vicious spirit sitting jet haunting my life. And is Loving kind but not here and left unpeaceful.. In no mercy, I pray on top of that as a Missionary. Pray, Lost folks do not receive in the spirit.. A storm hit like it was a churning sea making life hard for me. Thank you and amen
Pastor Francis Enebeli on Psalms 90:14 - 4 years ago
The desire of every man on earth is to live a fulfilled life. unfortunately, people are distracted into believing that they can derive satisfaction from the things of this world outside God. only God can give true satisfaction now and eternity."uneasy lies the head until it rests in God"- Anonymous. to those who trust God, He will satisfy them early with His mercy. When the mercy of God locates a man, he will have all round satisfaction.
"if by reason of strength 80 years" this tells me that those who have strength in faith that endure to the end of tribulation would make the 80 year mark. 80 years from Israel becoming a nation May 14th 1948 is 2028. "for it is soon cut off, and we fly" says to me that the harpazo/rapturo/rapture will occur before may 14th 2021 if it is pre tribulation like I believe. the second coming would be sometime before may 14th 2028.
Every verse has some prophetic relations. My understanding to the verse is this. Moses is a prophet and he wrote it for the children of God in the last generation, ie to us. In Matthew 24:34 - our Lord Jesus says Verily l say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things fulfilled. Before that He in verse 32 tells a parable. Now, learn a parable of fig tree: When his branch is yet tender: and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:so likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near :even at the doors. Matthew 24:33. In these last days Israel reborn in 1948 May 14 and attained 70 year old in 2018. Fig tree is metaphor of Jewish nation.
Very perceptive of you Happy Jack, you are one of the first that I have seen that could concatenate the two passages. However, those are the number of days in the flesh, on this planet, so I hope you have been storing your treasures in heaven.
We notice where Christ says"..behold the fig trees and ALL the trees.." ( Luke 21:29) This would perhaps indicate economic prosperity for the surrounding nations which the Gulf states are already seeing ahead of them with agreements with Israel. It would seem for Israel to be attacked when they live securely and with unwalled villages in the Ezekiel 38 war; first the events of Psalm 83 would expand Israel's borders and eliminate the constant conflicts with the Palestinians and other nearby surrounding countries. Then; it would be likely the Daniel 27 covenant would have a league with countries such as Iran; Turkey; Syria and perhaps others in N. Africa and make it seem that Israel's issues are over. Just another perspective here. In any event; this psalm tells us that we are to "number our days." (v.12). Life is as a fleeting shadow; there is truly little time before night comes; and no man can work ( John 9:4). The millennium seems a clear concept as well here from v. 4; with the last day of rest for the whole world bringing the world in a way back to the way it was on the last day of the Creation; a sort of rest for the whole creation that has been travailing to this point.( Romans 8:22 etal).
It is the oldest Psalm in the Psalter, accredited to Moses. It can be divided as follows:
Verses 1,2: the eternality of God.
Verses 3-6: the fraility of man.
Verses 7,8: the sinfulness of man.
Verses 9-12: the shortness of life.
Verses 13-17: Moses' prayer for God's Grace upon His people. When we receive His Grace, life will be joyous, His Work in us & for us will be appreciated when seen from His Perspective, & His Blessing will be upon our labours & we will be used of Him.
Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh. ( Matthew 24:42-44)
The rapture is at the end, at the 7th trumpet, and for the very few who survived the chaos. We haven't been hit with the 6th trumpet yet ( Isaiah 13, Isaiah 47, Rev 18), the day of the Lord, the abomination of desolation set in America, or the invasion and captivity of Israel. You'll have to make it through anti-christ's 42 month rule before any intervention occurs. Everything Biblical has a specific order and time-line to be fulfilled.
Happy birthday!!!
Surely the Rapture is eminent
The USA is in turmoil continually and sin abounds with confusion and challenges at every age.
If you are not a child of God and know you are bound for heaven make that decision today
Ann
In the expression, "if by reason of strength ", the word "strength" translates from a Hebrew word which literally means human endurance pertaining to longevity according to age.
In the subsequent expression, "yet is their strength ", the word "strength" translates from an entirely different Hebrew word than that in the previous expression. Now, the word "strength" from the Hebrew literally describes a prideful boast. Yet, this boast seems of a mocking kind, for those of advanced age can only "boast" of their extreme pain and debilities. Their daily living consists of "labor and sorrow" due to their physical body's extreme weaknesses, and even due to their sicknesses and diseases which often exists. Even in the absence of sickness, the bodies of the extremely old will surely give out and die.
Consider Solomon's pessimistic outlook regarding the human body's aging as recorded in Ecclesiastes 12:3-7.
The Hebraic meaning of the word translated "labor" describes the misery involved in performing even the simplest tasks required for living comfortably and of taking care of the human body.
The Hebraic meaning of the word translated "sorrow" describes the lingering effects of guilt and regret attached to former sins of which the aged must live. Note that the same Hebrew word, translated here into "sorrow", also translates into "iniquity", an especially grievous sin of perversity, at least forty-seven times in the KJT, and also into other words such as "wicked" or "wickedness" as well as "vanity" and "unrighteous".
These descriptions seem very pessimistic and even fatalistic in nature, yet redeemed Christians take great comfort in their DIVINE REDEEMER and SAVIOR by living under the principles of verses twelve through fifteen.
So as I understand it, we have the Earth in its uninhabited, maybe deformed state. Then we have the World, as now being inhabited or habitable. Then the word for Nations, specifying the nations which formed post Flood. What I could ascertain from a quick check on these words, is that their meanings were not always consistent; that's why I mentioned that it was really up to the writer to include a word that reflected his thoughts - & that word might, to us, seem inappropriate. But that's all we have to work with, given our limited understanding.
Yet all that may not help you much, so my further thoughts to your last comment: I wouldn't be able to classify the nations as being the 'other worlds': they're just separate nations existing on a habitable World that once was inhabitable or uninhabited. But a Hebrew student could well correct me on this.
I'm surprised that your Pastor deflected your question as it pertained directly to his comment. Not knowing his message or where he was going with it, it would be difficult to ascertain what he was referring to, saying "God loves only one World out of many". Maybe he was speaking about the special people (= World) of believers, but that too wouldn't make sense. Maybe, when he enquired about your plans for Christmas, you could stated to him that you wished to visit some of those 'other Worlds' he spoke about & that you needed more information to make your pressing plans for a great holiday, come to fruition.
Since the Bible doesn't specifically refer to either Russia or China, though there are countries (e.g. Tubal, Meshech, Gog, Magog, etc.) that we can't be certain by using today's country names & divisions, the specific mentioning of Russia or China is not in the Bible.
So, I'm unsure whether this answers the intent of your question.
By those verses and mine does that or could that mean that Russia is a world different from another world like China that live on the Earth?
And 'World' in Hebrew, is 'tay-bale' ', meaning the world viewed as being inhabited, as in Job 18:18; Psalm 9:8.
Both the above references, and many more, show the exact Hebrew words that depict the intended meaning of the writer.
Psalms 90:2
Someone explain because I thought the earth was the world?
And as the bible says, let precept be upon precept and line upon line, please don't give me your opinion on this verse, give me scripture upon scripture and if it doesn't line up with that verse to the point where I can understand it I need someone else to try to explain!
1 John 5:7 7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
Isaiah 9:6
6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
John 1:1-18
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
1 John 5:6-8
6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.
7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
John 14:9-12
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.
12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
This psalm of Moses is so often used to say that a person cannot live more than 80 years. This is an error. Moses was simply singing about the people living in a DESERT, i.e. not in comfortable homes. Nor was he prophecying. God has told us clearly that our lifespans can reach 120 years ( Genesis 6).
To try to say that Christ must return before 2028 because that is 80 years after 1948, is an error. Let us not clutch at straws but lovingly call on Jesus Christ whether we are in this body or in another kind of body.
Peace and love in Christ
And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. ( 2 Corinthians 5:18-19)
Though innocent, the Lamb of God Jesus suffered exceedingly:
Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God. For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds. ( Hebrews 12:2-3)
Faith endures:
...And others had trial of cruel mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment: They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented; (Of whom the world was not worthy:) they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth. And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise: God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect. (from Hebrews 11)
Jesus said:
These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world. ( John 16:33)
The LORD has a wonderful purpose in trials and suffering:
That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ: Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory: Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls. ( 1 Peter 1:7-9)