Revelation Chapter 1 Discussion Page 6

(Part 2)

Nicole,

2 Corinthians 6:15 is interesting. It says what concord hath Christ with Belial? We know who Christ is. Without getting too technical, Belial means "good for nothing." So Christ, and "good for nothing," if you put those two together, you don't have a very good mix. The word concord is a Greek word (SUMPHONE) and it's where we get our word symphony from. And it means agreement.

Jesus said in Matthew chapter 18 that if two or three agree together on earth on anything, I will do it. It's the word SUMPHONE. In other words, God's going to bless two or more that are gathered together who are all "playing the same song." You don't have to be playing the same part, but the same song. You got to be one! And when you are one together in the body of Christ, the ministry of God's Spirit can flow. If you are at odds with each other (your situation described), there will be no ministry there.

So this means symphony. What music is Christ and Satan going to play together? None! Or what part, and that's literally what it means, what part has he that believes with an infidel? There is no part. They do not fit together.

Verse 17 says to get out of there. Do not compromise your position in Christ Jesus for the sake of "friendship."

Nicole,

The best thing to do would be to get out of there now. I want to share some scripture with you but first off, I am curious to know if your husband is a believer? Also, you mention that this Satanist "friend" makes fun of you for your belief in Christ? Does your husband allow this person to do this? Is he even aware of it?

Now the scripture I want to share with you is 2 Corinthians 6:14-18. In verse 14, there is a command for the believer. It says "Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers." In other words, stay away from them. Now, let me just mention this to you because it's something that I have found to be very important in the body of Christ, even though people in our society today don't like it.

God's greatest influence in ministry is to be separated from those involved in sin (your Satanist friend). But it doesn't make any difference who they are, if they are an unbeliever, the bible tells us to not be unequally yoked together with them. I wouldn't even call this person a friend. Verse 14 tells us that we are not to have fellowship with them. The word fellowship means partnership. So we're talking about business deals and anything that has to do with being partners with another person.

He says what partnership does righteousness have with unrighteousness? It doesn't. It doesn't fit because there are different motives. Secondly, what communion does light have with darkness? That's the word KOINONIA for fellowship. What fellowship can light have with darkness? There is no spiritual fellowship there at all between a believer and a non-believer.

I am running out of space and will continue this because I believe this is very important and I am truly concerned for your spiritual welfare. I will send the continuation as (Part 2).

Dear Nicole, if I understand right you are a Christian and have voluntarily chosen to live in the residence of satanist, is that correct? If following Christ is important to you then why would you live there? Why wouldn't you leave immediately (now)?

Sin is so evil, deadly, and destructive to you that Jesus said in Matthew 5:30 its better to cut off your own arm than to let it cause you to sin. In other words do absolutely anything and everything possible to avoid sin (and avoid going to hell). Do you think following Jesus's words are important?

You have chosen to put yourself in the most vulnerable position one could possibly imagine then are blindly staying there, even though you've already had your faith under attack. If you're not the one influencing the satanist then you can be absolutely assured you are the one being converted and you are the one losing. You're on his turf and seem to be totally unprepared without your 'armor of God' and you put yourselves there in the first place, which is unimagineable. I don't know what you're thinking. Maybe you don't realize what is at stake- our choices have eternal consequences.

The Bible says many times to depart from evil, stay away from it. You have done the opposite. It's great that you are seeking advice here, but what do you expect someone to say- to live with a satanist?

Psalm 37:27-29

Psalm 34:14

Mark 9:43

God bless...

I have a small story and a question that I need help with. My husband and I are currently living with a friend for the time being. I was brought up non denominational Christian and always have had strong faith in our Father God and our perfect savior Jesus. Our friend that we are currently living with is a hard core Satanist, and this bothers me a lot. He always makes fun of me for loving Jesus, and ever since I've been around him I noticed that Satan has been trying to tempt me by getting into my thoughts and trying to make me go down his path. Whenever I pray he tries to break it up by putting his name in place of God's and it's been driving me crazy. Usually he leaves me alone, what can I do to ward him off and leave me in the peace?

where is the beast with four eyes found

Acts 7:55-56

But he (Stephen), being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God, And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.

Colossians 3:1

If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.

Luke 22:69

Hereafter shall the Son of man sit on the right hand of the power of God.

Acts 5:31

Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

Mark 16:19

So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.

Hebrews 10:12

But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

1 Peter 3:22

Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.

Romans 8:34

Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

Hebrews 12:2

Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

Matthew 22:44 (see Psalm 110:1)

The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?

Revelation 5:7

And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.

Hi Joseph.

" The Bible teache and show that God gave the Sabbath Saturday as the day to

" Worship and praise Him". Some on Sunday. "

Is there a verse in the Bible that says you can't worship on Sunday?

And also can you give us a verse that says we're under command to worship on only Saturday.

Thanks Joseph.

God bless.

The Bible teache and show that God gave the Sabbath ( Saturday ) as the day to Worship and praise Him. Some on Sunday. Which Bible are they Reading?

Tinashe,

There is a struggle we as believers go through. We are often faced with temptation. Satan knows our weaknesses and he attacks us that way. Some think that we have to fight Satan but we don't have to fight him because he's already been defeated.

James 4:7 says Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil,



There are two things going on at the same time. Submit yourself to God, resist the devil, and the promise is and he will flee from you.



Again, some people don't realize that we don't have to fight with Satan.



In Ephesians Chapter 6, when Paul talked about the armor of God, he says the purpose for putting on the armor of God is so that you stand, and that you resist the wiles, or methods of Satan. So it's resistance!



By the way, the word persecution in the bible means to chase or to pursue. When Satan persecutes us, he basically chases us.



And the whole purpose is to get us tired and discouraged until we make the decision that we don't want to do this Christian thing anymore because it's "just too tiring."



But you see, Satan can't stop us. He can only chase us.



So the bible says submit to God, and resist the devil, and he will flee from you. Just like with Jesus, when Satan came to Him, He told him no way, I'm doing it God's way.



Jesus quoted scripture and said this is the way I'm going to do it. And what happened in the end? Satan left because he couldn't do anything to Him. He tempted Jesus. That's all he could do.

So the first two commands, submit yourselves therefore to God, resist the devil, and the promise is he will flee from you.

The only way to overcome temptation is to resist. It is Satan that tempts, and it is Satan that will flee if you resist him.

Stay in the word. As the saying goes, "This book will keep you from your sin, or your sin will keep you from this book."

What the Bible says: Romans Chapter 13

12 The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light. [let your true character and inner resolves show].

13 Let us walk honestly, as in the day; [don't be sneaky and hide the vice or lust] not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering [hiding out in the house] and wantonness, not in strife and envying.

14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make NO PROVISION for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.

Me: Our fleshly carnal natures spring up on us and make war with the Spiritual Man/Woman on our insides. If we don't feed that Spiritual Person with the Bible (regularly); we'll end up on all fours eating with the hogs. (No offense intended)

See Prodigal Son story.

Make No Provision means: don't buy smoking products, don't buy "fermented" or alcoholic beverages. Don't dress in a way that tempts the opposite sex. If you wear a robe, neck to floor, someone will still be attracted to that wholesome, intelligent, happy person on the inside. It's the worldly world that screams we're prudes if we don't bare all and get arm-slinging drunk with them.

I've had wonderful fun with 6 Christian friends at a restaurant SHARING a gigantic platter of nachos smothered under meat and salad!! Everyone talking at the same time, telling funny stories, testimonies from that week. Maybe a group agreement prayer for an individual's request.

Christians don't have to provide anything; just show up. The "world" ought to see us as we are and not be confronted with shabby behavior. Our "Christ likeness" should be light and real.

I love to be at Christian Baseball Games, where both sexes are playing. All that cheering and running is energizing! Many more friendships are formed that way. Also, when a batter hits a ground ball all the way into the outfield :D

We learn tolerance, being a team player in the name of fellowship.

M.

hi guys, so apparently im at a point were im trying to distance myself from a bad habit. how can i overcome lust over something coz im actually praying so whats the best way can i overcome it.

As mentioned earlier, we can't be completely sure about the present day countries that are reflected by those names given in Ezekiel 38:1,2. Therefore, many are loathed to publicize their impressions. However, some have & generally they have assumed the following: since Magog, Meshech & Tubal were all sons of Japheth (Noah's son), & it is supposed that Japheth moved into those northern parts of Europe: Ezekiel 38:15 (i.e. the vast area occupied by Russia), then those names must have their counterparts in Russia. So Magog is seen as meaning "Prince of Rosh", or Russia. Meshech, as Moscow. Tubal, as a Siberian city. It is difficult to know how accurate these interpretations are, therefore I don't subscribe to them because of the burden to be accurate in biblical hermeneutics & thus what we share to others.

In Revelation 13:1-8, we see the vision given to the Apostle John of a "beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy." And this beast was like a leopard, with the feet of a bear & a lion's mouth. If we refer to Daniel 7:3-7, we see similar animals but they denote the kingdoms of the world (v17). The Lion as King Nebuchadnezzar of the Babylonian Empire; the bear as the Medo-Persian Empire; the leopard as Grecian Empire; & the fourth, the Roman Empire. And out of the Roman Empire, was seen 10 horns. These were nations that had come out of that Empire (7:24), with one horn arising that will be prominent in the last days (Antichrist).

Hello Steve ,there is no such verse in the Bible .

Thank you for my bible question answer, about Gog and Mago please tell me what modern-day country is Gog and Mago

Meshech & Tubal?

there are some terms of animals used in the book of revelations I believe the " Bear " is one of them what dose the animal's terms means and the bear means, Thanks, Steve.

Steve, I think you may be thinking of a couple of Scripture portions here. The first one is in Ezekiel chapters 38 and 39, and the other, Revelation chapter 20. You would need to read right through those chapters if you want to learn the detail of them.

In Ezekiel 38:2-4, the verses are, "Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him, And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal: And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts of armour, even a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords".

In Revelation 20:8, "And (Satan) shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea."

These portions speak of the future battle of Armageddon, with the Ezekiel chapters giving much more detail. The only problem however, is that to put Russia into that list of warring nations against Israel, can only be speculation, as those are very old names (Gog, Magog, Meshech & Tubal) that historians have been unable to accurately correlate to our modern nations/cities.

The question, which chapter in the book of revelation said ( they will put a hook in the nose of the bear ( Russia ) and together they will attack Isreal for the great war called Armongaton?

Hi Christine.

The Church is a body of people called out of the world "SEPARATED" the "Lords assembly"

by the means of the Gospel.

1 Corinthians 15:1-4. Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

BEGINING:

Some say the church started at the crucifixion of Christ.

Others say at pentecost (The feast of Shavuot.) when he filled them with the spirit.

ENDING.

The Rapture when he takes the assembly of believers out of the world which can happen any day. We are told to be ready when he comes.

I hope that helps. God bless you.

If you take a cup of water from the ocean, it's 100 percent ocean water and as old as the ocean , yet it's not the whole ocean . That would be silly ?

Who is the church?

Amen Richard.

Job 19:25-27 (KJV) For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:

And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God:

Whom I shall see for myself, and mine eyes shall behold, and not another; though my reins be consumed within me.

Good day my brothers Earl and Spencer,

As I would like to put my perception on "Heaven". I myself believe Heaven to be an actual place. Not just in us as stated in Luke 17:21. As we are the tabernacles of God where He dwells when we receive His Holy Spirit. Even as God is life and in everything weather Blessed to receive the Spirit of Christ or not. Job 34:14-15.

The Holy Bible is a spiritual book though many, many, things are literal not just spiritual. God's wisdom is so divine that almost anything may be taken in both ways. For maybe a reason God knows why.

Some things to consider I find fascinating. How both Enoch and Elijah were literally taken up by God in there human bodies and never saw a physical death. Genesis 5:24, 2 Kings 2:11-12. I believe Elisha literally saw a chariot of fire. In the book of Enoch there are amazing things we truly cannot comprehend.

14:8 A vision thus appeared to me.

14:9 Behold, in that vision clouds and a mist invited me; agitated stars and flashes of lightning impelled and pressed me forwards, while winds in the vision assisted my flight, accelerating my progress.

14:10 They elevated me aloft to Heaven. I proceeded, until I arrived at a wall built with stones of crystal. A vibrating flame surrounded it, which began to strike me with terror.

Paul stating about a friend with a vision in 2 Corinthians 12:2-4. That he could not fully explain.

Also that Jesus Christ in His glorified body( Luke 24:39) was able to appear and disappear. Also He was taken up into the clouds Acts 1:9-11.

Fully understanding Heaven we are not to able. It is so beyond us it could be anything as nothing is impossible with God.

I could go on and on about this but would be a very long conversation. Maybe just adding some people with NDE's having out of body experiences, in the spirit, able to testify of things going on when they were dead. Seeing their own bodies of flesh before them. Being taken up to be in the presence of the Lord.

Glorious

Goodmorning Earl,

I agree we should all be in harmony, after all we're taught by the same Spirit, We may differ in some things but THERE ARE FUNDAMENTALS WE WANT.

It's a danger in studying the Bible all your life to prove a viewpoint and not letting the word say what it says, You begin to spiritualize ""ALL"" the text. And you will soon leave the truth.

Earl I think that's what you have done,

I've read quite a bit of your replies,

One can spiritualize and symbolize the scripture and twist it into saying almost anything.

I pray you come to better hermeneutics.

May God bless you.

Goodmorning Lee.

Here's my direct quote.

"Ch 4:1 you see he's called up to heaven."

Here's the verse.

Revelation 4:1 (KJV) After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, ( COME UP HITHER, ) and I will shew thee things which must be HEREAFTER.

Hereafter means the things he mentioned in ch 2 and 3.

COME. UP. HERE. This is not Heaven in you, it's a Location.

John is taken to the future tense and there is the 24 elders and the Lamp stand that was the Church in Ch 1.

Revelation 5:10 . And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

They sung a song-

They have been redeemed,

They're in white raiment,

They shall reign on earth,

And John saw them.

This is just answering the 24 elders question.

God bless you Lee.

S Spencer, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

My answer to Lee may step on you answer a bit. I believe we all come to truth through the WORD. Our discussions with each other are for the edifying of the church. In Daniel, scripture says knowledge will increase. I believe this is happening. No other time has occasion presented itself for the church to converse the scriptures with each other so easily. The church was isolated into little community groups and not able to converse world wide. There are so many traditions of man that have a grip on us and it is extremely hard for that grip to be loosened. I was raised that heaven was a place you go if you believe. It has taken hundreds of hours in the WORD and SPIRIT to come to the truth what it means to be one with Christ. When we are glorified at the death of our present body; we want be confined by anything, we will be every place Christ is. OMNIPRESENT! Unseen or seen; whatever he chooses.

Hebrews 13:2

Psalms 103:20

Psalms 104:4

Hebrews 1:7

Lee, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

John did not go to heaven. He saw a VISION. Heavens doors were opened. The TRADITIONS OF MAN has done great harm to the truth of the scriptures.

John 3:13 NO man has ASCENDED up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man WHICH IS IN HEAVEN.

Colossians 1:27 .....MYSTERY among the Gentiles; which is CHRIST IN YOU....

John 3:13 ....says even the Son of man WHICH IS IN HEAVEN; Colossians 1:27 says CHRIST IN YOU. Traditions of man says heaven is a PLACE; scripture says HEAVEN IS A PERSON.

You are where GOD DWELLS; you are HEAVEN where GOD'S temple and throne is, you are the DOORS and/or GATES to heaven. The 24 (not necessarily literally 24;but, representing) those that have gone before you in truth; now at Christ's feet. This is how GOD DWELLS ON EARTH; IN YOU, EACH ONE OF US. Christ is our HIGH PRIEST; we are a kingdom of priest; a ROYAL PRIESTHOOD.

1 Peter 2:9 But ye are a CHOSEN GENERATION, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a peculiar people...

WORSHIP AND GIVE THANKS TO HIM.

The scriptures will make more sense to you when you start seeing heaven as people. MOST don't know Christ dwells in them (they think they are going to a place), that's why there is so much confusion and sin in this world. If you haven't come to the truth that CHRIST IS IN YOU then Satan still has his dwelling place in you.

Matthew 12:28 If I cast out devils by the SPIRIT OF GOD, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.

It's more than just believe and go to a PLACE CALLED HEAVEN.

Dear Jo Ann,

Trials and Tribulations refer to times of testing or difficulties. It may be personal as a trial of your faith as mentioned in 1 Peter 1:6-7 or it may refer to a time of extreme suffering as referred to by Christ for the Jewish believers during the time when the world is under the control of the Antichrist. Matthew 24:21. That is known as the "great tribulation" and is what Revelation is about.

Read everything in context and pray that the Holy Spirit give you understanding by comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

Temptation is another word that can be used for personal trials. See 1 Corinthians 10:13. Remember that God always allows trials, tribulations and temptations to refine and grow our faith in Him and show us How much he loves us.

Hi Lee..

These 24 elders represent the church,

Where they're "CLOTHED IN WHITE RAIMENT" IN CH 4, AND DESCRIBED AS THE REDEEMED BY THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB IN CH 5.

In Revelation Ch 2 and 3 you see John's writing to the 7 Churches, Ch 4:1 you see he's called up to heaven.

"The rapture has been taken place by this point"

Revelation 4:4. And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, "CLOTHED IN WHITE RAIMENT"; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.

Revelation 5:9-10. And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, AND HAST REDEEMED US TO GOD BY THY BLOOD OUT OF EVERY kindred, and tongue, and people, and NATION"!!!;

And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

Isn't it amazing you see them in Heaven when some say we don't go to Heaven, we inherit the Earth?

Where can I find a description of the trials and tribulations? I know it is in Revelations, I just don't know the chapter.

Thank you.

In Revelation when John went to Heaven, who were the 24 elders that he saw worshiping GOD on their knees?

Thank you

Hi Donna.

This is a highly debated topic.

I believe the concept here is NO Polygamy.

God made all of us able ministers with diverse gifts,

We are a new creature in Christ.

2 Corinthians 3:5-6. Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;

Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.