Revelation Chapter 11 Discussion Page 12

I believe that the witnesses are to be two Anointed prophets called by GOD to preach the WORD OF GOD to all nations during the 7 years of tribulation. This will cause havoc with the Beast. The two witnesses will be killed at the Wallen wall for a true testimony for JESUS CHRIST.

After study, this is what I believe is described in the Bible. 2 witnesses = 2 olive trees, 2 lampstands, 2 prophets, 2 martyrs The Greek noun ekklesia (lampstands) literally means "an assembly of called out ones." The book was sealed because Revelation pertains only to World War 3. God wants World War 3 to happen because he anoints the 2 witnesses. The word “beast” is used in different ways in Revelation. The Sea Beast is the South China Sea war battlefront and the Beast is the Middle East war. The 7 heads are the nations with grievances that want the war and the horns are supporting nations in battle like NATO. Collectively, the Beast is WAR which is mortally wounded by PEACE and becomes alive again when the peace treaty is broken. So the 2 witnesses also die when peace occurs because they sign the peace treaty ending strife. The witnesses, unhappy with the terms of peace, again proclaim their cause causing war to erupt again and they are alive once more. People worship the beast because they are willing to sacrifice their money and the lives of their sons and daughters to sustain and win war. Therefore, the 2 witnesses are opposing sides of war, leaders in the 2 battle areas of WW3 that testify or bear witness to their beliefs. They proclaim their rights in numerous political meetings around the world attempting to reach a peaceful solution to their claims of land, resources and religion. They are clothed in sackcloth which is mourning over perceived injustice.

The two witnesses are the Old and the New Testament.

When do the two witnesses appear? During the 5th trumpet, or the 6th? Before the Anti-christ comes, or afterwards?

Never cease to amaze me, when our prejudice is involved we can never see the word of God as we should. It’s always the Catholic church beast false prophets etc; etc; but what we are actually looking at is the false hood wrapped up together whether Catholic, Baptist, Pentecostal, … we have to look at Babylonian religion, no Jesus’ believers believes in Mohammad. Am I worshipper of God or am I a worshiper of man, false church? This is the Babylonian realm that is going to bring Christ back.

Jerusalem has never been spiritually as Sodom or Egypt and like some translation talks about "their Lord was crucified" the city is Rome, because Peter is the first pope or Lord of a false religion, Catholics!!

zbee1, the city that sits on 7 hills is Rome and the harlot is the catholic church!

I did not know that Timothy Riordan's chapter of Revelation 11 is speaking of the apostle JOHN in the contextual unraveling of the verses as they are tied to a Theophany being revealed at that time that occurred in 2003, I am a witness and am currently revealing the Theophany.

Revelation 11 has not fully occurred yet. It is tied to Revelation 10 because the witnesses of Revelation 11 are the parents of the child who passes away in Revelation 10 and then his work begins to unfold. Revelation 11 will be fulfilled in 2018 and it is tied to a theophany being revealed at this time that occurred in 2003. I am the witness and am currently revealing the theophany.

they are jeliah and enoh

Chapter 11 is a fulfilment of the last half week of Daniel 9:24-27. The Messiah was cut off in the midst of the last week. The Prince to come, Rome destroyed the city , Jerusalem, and the sanctuary, the temple. They failed to recognize the hour of their visitation. Israel fell by the edge of the sword, and were carried captive to all nations ( Luke 21:20-24; 19:41-44), Jerusalem was left desolate (Mathew 23: 37-38). Israel was cut off from its own olive tree and the Gentiles were grafted into the good olive tree ( Romans 11:17-28). Between the ending of the 69th and and 1/2 week to the last half week the gospel turned to the Gentiles. Paul's commission ( Acts 9:11-16; 13:46-47; 22: 14-21; 26:12-18) was a fulfilment of Isaiah 42:6. In Acts 13:47 Paul says: for so hath the Lord commanded us, saying I have set thee to be a light to the Gentiles, that though shouldst be salvation to the ends of the earth; in Isaiah 42:6 it says: -- and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles. Here in Revelation 11 the time of the gentiles is fulfilled ( Luke 21:24). Israel is back in there homeland when these two witnesses begin their ministry. The Gentile church is cut off from the olive tree, spewn out from his mouth for failing to recognize the hour of their visitation( Romans 11:20-22, Rev. 3:16; Malachi 4:5-6). Revelation 11 takes place between the second and third woe, for the 5th, 6th and 7th trumpets are the 1st, 2nd and third woes respectives. These three woes are the three world wars. Between the 2nd and third woe Israel is back in there home land; at the same time the Gentiles receive their last message ( Revelation 10). The Gentiles fail to recognize the hour of their visitation. It is the hour of wrath, God recompenses tribulation to them that trouble the bride ( 1Thessalonians 1:5-8). God opens a fountain of healing for Israel. There will be a fountain fountain open to the house of David and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem ( Zechariah 13:10, 12:10) . God will pour a spirit of grace and supplication and they shall look upon him whom they have pierced. Revelation 11 opens Israel to recognize the feast of atonement. They will be turned from atonement of bulls and goats to the atonement of the lamb of God. The sixfold purpose of the visit of angel Gabriel to Daniel will be perfect realized to Israel in this chapter ( Daniel 9:24) . By the time of the two witness begin there ministry they will begin the temple worship ( Rev. 11:1-12). The two witnesses are killed in Jerusalem by the beast. The beast represents the gentile kingdom. Jerusalem here in Revelation 11:8 spiritually is called Egypt or Sodom. In Exodus 20:1-2 Egypt is referred to as the house of bondage. In Galatians 4:24-26 Paul likens the Jerusalem that is to the bondswoman Agar and mount sinai in Arabia, which is also in bondage with her children born after the flesh. Jerusalem from above representing the freewoman which gendereth children of the promise, born after the spirit. After the ministry of the two witnesses christ sets up his kingdom upon the earth. And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdnm under the whole heaven, shall be given to the saints of the most high, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him ( Daniel 7:27). The Messiah will sit on the throne of David in Jerusalem.

The Kingdoms of this world will become the Kingdoms of our Lord and of his Christ. God will not judge the righteous with the wicked. Revelation 4:1 is the come up hither, and the church will be caught up into heaven. Also the two witnesses will be caught up into heaven before all the world to see. God is true to all of his promises, as he said to the 6th church because you kept the word of my patience, I will keep you from the hour of trial that shall come upon the world. Praise God that his word is true, and the Lord our God rules in the affairs of man.

Scripture points to a Pre-Tribulation RAPTURE!:
1. Rev. 3:10--In the Lord's address to one of the churches he promises "Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth."

2. Rev. 17:3--So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns." This woman or spiritual harlot, is the Jews revived religion of sacrifice (not the catholic church). It comes about because of the world governing system--the beast with 7 mountains, 10 horns, 10 crowns carries it on its crowns. Ten is the number consistently used in Scripture for the Gentiles (See Gen. 10 for the gentile nations that will come against Israel in the war of Gog and Magog of Ezek. 38). Notice that the beast/world system is SCARLET COLORED. Scarlet symbolizes sin. See Isaiah 1:18 "though your sins be as scarlet I will make them white as snow." The worldly beast described in Revelation is TOTALLY SCARLET. WE CHRISTIANS ARE NOT IN THE WORLD AT THAT TIME. WE ARE NOT SCARLET. WE ARE WHITE AS SNOW.

"And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever." ( Revelation 11:15)

Not to long ago, I was at the Chesapeake Bay Bridge Tunnel. As I stood and looked out over the bay, I saw ships upon the water. There something stately about the ships on the water, like they were on top of the world. They had a certain glory. And, yet, as I was looking, there was an even greater glory that I perceived. There were beams of sunlight that shone down from the sky; down, and upon the sea, and the ships. It was a quiet, yet, glorious sight. The ships had a glory, and the beams of golden light had a greater glory; yet, it was like the glory of the ships was one glory, and the glory of the beams of sunlight were another glory; though two glories were seen, each seeming seperate, yet, together forming a perfect glory.

I think of The Great Seal on our dollar bill. There is an unfinished pyramid that has thirteen steps. The thirteen original states united to form The United States of America. Above this unfinished pyramid is the top of the pyramid. In this top (triangle) is the eye of Providence. Beams of glory emit from this Providence. Like the ships, I see man and a glory, and God and His glory.

I think of Revelation 11:15, "And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever." When it will be finished. Only time will tell how each nation will be judged of God.

Genesis 11:1-9 comes to mind. Man built a city and a tower. They built a city and tower to the glory of man and not to the glory of God. The LORD was not pleased.

Revelation 21:11 says, "And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, having the glory of God..."

When I think of the unfinished pyramid, and the eye of Providence above, I think of that glorious day when "the kingdoms of this world will become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever."

TO MS. LINDA, YES THE TWO WITNESS ARE ENOCH AND ELIJAH. I HAVE STUDY THIS FOR SOME YEARS AND THIS IS WHAT OUR LORD GAVE ME. MANY THINK THAT MOSES WAS ONE OF THE WITNESS BUT MOSES DIE, AND GOD HIDE HIS BODY FROM SATAN.

Could the ARK of the Testament, Be Jesus, instead of the ARK IN Deuteronomy

Please read and understand the mystery of the Two Witnesses as the time is short. The two witnesses in the latter-days (our days) are typified by many characters in Old Testament scripture which are summarized in the book of Revelation:

Malachi 4:5: Behold, I will send you ELIJAH {first latter-day messenger} the prophet before the coming of the GREAT {awesome} and DREADFUL DAY {comet’s impact see Daniel 2: 34; Revelation 8:10, 11; 9: 1} of the LORD:

In the past type, Elijah was the first witness of his generation until the manifestation of Elisha, the second witness. Elisha asked and received a double portion of Elijah’s spirit in 2 Kings 2:9.

2 Kings 2:9 …Ask what I {Elijah} shall do for THEE {Elisha}, before I be taken away from thee. And ELISHA {typifying the Second Witness} said, I pray thee, let a DOUBLE PORTION of thy spirit be upon me.

Since Elisha received a double portion of Elijah’s spirit, it reveals how the latter-day second witness fulfills his ministry, according to the scroll of life’s first side, as well as the prophecies that latter-day Elijah should have fulfilled. This is the reason Elisha received Elijah’s mantle, as recorded in 2 Kings 2:13.

2 Kings 2:13 He {Elisha} took up also the mantle of Elijah that fell from him….

{Latter-day Elisha) grew out of latter-day Elijah’s church. This parallels the past type, when Solomon was as a tree’s branch that came out of the loins (rod/trunk of a tree) of David to be king in Israel (see Isaiah 11:1).

Isaiah 11:1: And there SHALL {latter-day prophecy} come forth a ROD {latter-day David} out of the stem of JESSE {typified by the father of old David}, and a BRANCH {latter-day Solomon} shall grow out of HIS {latter-day David’s/rod’s} roots:

The prophetic statement in Isaiah 11:1 is also confirmed in Revelation 5:5.

Revelation 5:5: And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the LION {originally referred to latter-day King David but is actually fulfilled by latter-day King Solomon} of the tribe of {spiritual} JUDA {typifying the U.S.A.}, the ROOT {loins} of {latter-day} DAVID, hath prevailed to open the BOOK {scroll of life}, and to loose the seven seals thereof.

In the past type, God – personifying a scroll’s record of that generation – sent the Assyrian (see Isaiah 10:5, 6) against the hypocritical nation of Israel’s ten tribes. After the Assyrian had taken the ten tribes of Israel’s northern kingdom into captivity, the Egyptians then overthrew the Assyrian empire. This spared the kingdom of Judah and Jerusalem in the south of Palestine from the same fate that befell the ten tribes, who were deported from the north of Palestine. However, God warned the kingdom of Judah in Palestine not to rejoice over the fall of Assyria, because the Babylonian will be coming to rule over Palestine, as illustrated in Isaiah 14:29.

Isaiah 14:29 Rejoice not thou, whole Palestina, because the rod of HIM {the Assyrian who typifies latter-day Elijah} that smote THEE {land of old Israel/Palestine, which typifies latter-day Christendom/latter-day spiritual Israel} is BROKEN {by old Egypt, which typifies the latter-day fifth reigning kingdom}: for out of the SERPENT’S ROOT {the Assyrian who typifies latter-day David} shall come forth a COCKATRICE {representing Nebuchadnezzar’s Babylon, which typifies latter-day Solomon’s/Chosen Vessel’s ministry}, and his FRUIT {representing Nebuchadnezzar’s armies, which typify the believers of this new doctrine and then the great multitude} shall be a FIERY FLYING SERPENT {personifying coals of fire that follow the comet/cockatrice}.

The city of Nebuchadnezzar’s Babylon did not exist until the Assyrians built it, as stated in Isaiah 23:13.

Isaiah 23:13: Behold the land of the CHALDEANS {Babylonians}; this people was not, till the ASSYRIAN {serpent’s root} founded IT {cockatrice/old Babylon} for them that dwell in the wilderness: THEY {Assyrians} set up the towers thereof, they raised up the palaces thereof; and he {Assyrian} brought it to ruin (before the people who became the Babylonians rebuilt it).

As the Babylonian came out of the Assyrian and Solomon came out of David, so the Chosen Vessel (latter-day Solomon) came out of latter-day David’s church in Waco, Texas. This is likened to Yahshua being baptized in John the Baptist’s ministry. The Chosen Vessel is the branch that came forth from the rod (Latter-day David). Just as Solomon built the temple instead of David, so the branch (second witness/latter-day Zerubbabel/Solomon) will build the spiritual temple before the comet hits the land (see Zechariah 6:12).

Zechariah 6:12 And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, Behold the MAN {latter-day Solomon} whose name is The BRANCH {that bears fruit, see Ezekiel 7:10}; and HE {Chosen Vessel} shall GROW UP {from the rod/latter-day David} out of his place, and he shall build the temple {as Moses, Solomon, and Darius built the temple} of the LORD {Hayah Havah}:

Latter-day Elijah gathered followers, a number of whom now believe latter-day Elisha’s doctrine. Also, before latter-day Elijah was killed on April 19, 1993, God caused the scenario to take place at Mount Carmel in Waco, Texas, so latter-day
Elisha’s ministry would be easier to promote. Accordingly, the ministry of latter-day Elijah has prepared the way for latter-day Elisha, as prophesied in Isaiah 40:3.

Isaiah 40:3 The voice of HIM {latter-day Elijah} that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare YE {referring to the tribes of Christendom} the way of the LORD {Hayah Havah manifesting as the Chosen Vessel}, make straight in the desert a highway for our God (manifesting as latter-day Moses).

The first messenger (Elijah-type) in our day is also typified by the prophecy that seemed to refer to the new king, Eliakim, in Isaiah 22:22.

Isaiah 22:22 And the KEY {to the kingdom} of the house of David will I lay upon HIS {Eliakim’s/Cyrus’} shoulder; so he shall open, and none shall shut; and he shall shut, and none shall open.

This prophecy concerning Eliakim is referring to the same Cyrus who is mentioned in Isaiah 44:28. Since King Cyrus’ decree failed to rebuild Jerusalem and her temple, it reveals how the first latter-day messenger (Elijah-type) fails to construct the latter-day spiritual temple. Therefore, as Moses, Solomon, and Darius built the temple of God instead of Aaron, David, and Cyrus, it reveals how the second latter-day messenger (Elisha-type) receives the key of knowledge to fulfill all unfulfilled prophecies (see Revelation 3:7).

Revelation 3:7 …These things saith he that is HOLY {scroll of life’s record}, he that is TRUE {scroll of life’s record pertaining to the Chosen Vessel/second messenger}, HE {Chosen Vessel} THAT HATH THE KEY {to unlock all mysteries in God’s word, see Revelation 10:7} OF {latter-day} DAVID {latter-day Eliakim/Elijah}, HE {latter-day Solomon} that OPENETH {the scroll of life with the key of knowledge, see Revelation 5:5, 6}, AND NO MAN SHUTTETH {with their wrongly-fitting key of error}; AND SHUTTETH {when latter-day Solomon does not reveal/open God’s mysteries with his key of knowledge}, AND NO MAN OPENETH {with his or her key that does not fit the figurative lock of written prophecy};

According to the song (testimony) of old Moses, he brought out the Israelites from Egypt, constructed the temple, fed the people, gave them laws, and led them to the Promised Land, (see Deuteronomy 32:2).

Deuteronomy 32:2 My {Moses’} doctrine shall drop as the rain {to ripen the spiritual barley, wheat, and fruits}, my speech shall distil as the dew, as the small rain upon the tender herb, and as the showers upon the grass:”

Today, the new doctrine of latter-day Moses is sung from the scroll of life’s first side. The people who accept latter-day Moses’ song (doctrine) are also able to sing the song pertaining to latter-day Moses, as prophesied in Revelation 15:3.

Revelation 15:3 And THEY {first and second latter-day groups of redeemed} sing the SONG {new doctrine} of MOSES {latter-day Moses, see Deuteronomy 31:30} the servant of GOD {seventh angel}, and the song of the LAMB {sunlight-ministry of latter-day Yahshua/Lamb who manifested according to the prophecy in Acts 1:11}, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, THOU {latter-day Chosen Vessel/Elisha/Yahshua} King of {the three latter-day groups of} saints.

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ITS THE TRUTH HE WILL RETURN. LIVE THE LOST DOWN
ON EARTH. WE WILL BE WITH JEUSES.

YOU WHO BELIEVE THAT THERE WILL A RAPTURE ARE BEING MISLEAD. IF YOU'RE GOING ON 1THESS4:13-17 RAPTURE IS NOT EVEN MENTIONED THERE. 1THESS4:13- YOU ARE CRYING BECAUSE YOU THINK THE DEAD ARE IN A HOLE IN THE GROUND BUT THEY ARE NOT. 1THESS4:14- THEY ARE ALREADY WITH THE FATHER. TO BE ABSENT FROM THIS BODY IS TO BE PRESENT WITH THE LORD. 1THESS4:15- BECARSE THEY ARE ALREADY GONE. THERE IS NO WAY THAT YOU WHO ARE ALIVE AND REMAIN CAN PRECEED THEM BECAUSE THEY ARE ALREADY WITH HIM. 1THESS4:16- BECAUSE THE DEAD ARE ALREADY RISEN. THEY MIGHT BE ON THE SIDE OF THE GULF IN PARADISE BUT THEY ARE THERE. 1THESS4:17- CAUGHT UP IN THE CLOUDS IS A COLOQUIAL SAYING BY PAUL. AND AIR MEANS BREATH OF LIFE BODY(SPIRITUAL BODY) DOES NOT MEAN ATMOSPHERE OR SKY. THE FINAL RESURRECTION. WE WHICH ARE ALIVE SHALL JOIN THEM. BECAUSE OUR BODIES ARE CHANGED AT THE 7TH TRUMP. THESE ARE JUST EXPLANATIONS OF SCRIPTURE. YOU MUST REFER TO YOUR STRONGS CONCORDANCE TO GET THE RIGHT MEANING OF SCRIPTURE. I HOPE THIS CLEARS UP A FEW THINGS FOR PEOPLE THAT BELIEVE THERE IS GOING TO BE A RAPTURE. THERE IS NOT!!! PLEASE DON'T BELIEVE A LIE!!!

I believe the two witnesses are Elijah and Enoch, the only two people (from Biblical days) who did not die. They will be sent back to earth to execute God's wrath, as described in Revelation 11. I believe they do not appear until the Church has been Raptured, and the antichrist is in full power at that point.

I believe Matthew Henry is wrong in his assumption that after the 7th trumpet Christ will set up his kingdom on earth. The 7th trumpet calls the dead and the living in Christ to heaven in a physical, visual transformation and resurrection. This event will be seen by all the unbelievers (this is the act refered to as the rapture by many Christians) and will make believers of many of those left behind but will harden the hearts of many many more. The final 7 vials or bowls of judgement of God (this is the wrath of God) is poured out on the beast and the non-believers but the new believers (who also refuse the mark of the beast)are protected from these judgements. They will be easily spotted by the beast and his followers and these saints will be hunted.

The two witness, I believe, are the church (body of saints and lampstands) and the Israel (called the olive trees). Both are slowly being destroyed by the devil and his agents (anti-christian governments, societies, cults ect.) and are now in a greatly weakened state. Soon we will both be dead and those who detest the influence of religion in affairs of state will be very happy.

I pray I would be one of the two.
Is that wrong?

Remember it is important that we should not suggest comclusions that the two prophets is Moses and Elijah because the bible doesn't say so.