Revelation Chapter 11 Discussion Page 5

Philippians Chapter 2

8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of [things] in heaven, and [things] in earth, and [things] under the earth;

11 And [that] every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

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This is not a game of Thrones. Jesus sits at the right Hand of God, at this minute; to make intercession for ALL SAINTS.

The true believers in Jesus (dead or alive) are the ONLY ones being caught up to Him in the Clouds.

ANYBODY left behind will have to face a blood thirsty murderer called Antichrist who will make Hitler look like a schoolgirl. He's going to murder and decapitate 1/3 of people left on earth after the Rapture. It will be virtually impossible to eat, drink and survive for 3 1/2 years without being caught. Drones with infrared will hunt them down. Did anybody see that old movie: Red Dawn with Patrick Swayze? Envision that.

Young people all of their lives have sat in front of media, gaming; buying the next technology that comes out as soon as it hits the stores!! Stream that old movie. Stop worshipping technology. It's not your friend.

Creators of those games, drones, etc it will take a true miracle for any of them to be saved. Check this out: there is an (Star) or Asteroid named WORMWOOD that is aimed straight at earth & is also mentioned in the Bible! Coincidence?? Check NASA.

Do some research.

Now, Read Book of Daniel: 11-12, 8-10.

It was written for people living now. Time for this vision to be explained, now. I have a sinking feeling that this election is going to set some things in motion. Do not trust the House!

Quit giggling about pink tattoos or tutu's?

I got some news for you, everyone gets in by the 2nd resurrection except these 3 spirits, the spirit of anti-christ, the spirit of the false prophet, and devil. It's like trying to deny ashes back into the universe, it can't be done. Where you gonna put the 107 billion people that have lived? New heaven, new earth.

Who are they, the two witnesses of Rev 11? It is true that "Elijah" appears before the day of the Lord to get the whole house of Israel straight ( Mal 4:5), but certainly not as a witness. Likewise, Moses has nothing to do with the end times, but waters turning to blood can have you thinking otherwise. When brought to light through investigation, God shows you who the two witnesses are.

The two prophets/witnesses are described as "the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks that stand before the God of the earth". Olive trees and candlesticks have always been used to describe the house of Israel and the house of Judah. These are the 144,000 from the house of Israel, and the house of Judah, sealed from death for 42 months, at the 6th trumpet. Together, they are the whole house of Israel, witnesses to antichrists' exploits between the 6th & 7th trumpets.

Zechariah 4

Jer 11:16

Psalm 52:8

Rev Clayton Biggs, sir, the "rapture" is satan's joke on the unwary Christian. "Rapture" is not Bible doctrine, but from the mouth of a 15 year old lost little girl, Margaret McDonald. Ask yourself, why would God allow his elect 144K to die in the street, and yet rapture every filthy Christian sinner? The sinners who are appointed one mortal death, Hebrews 9:27. Jesus was asked the same question about the 6th trumpet, where are they "taken?", Jesus said Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together. Mathew 17:34-37

Let's cut the difference and agree that Christ is coming. Microsoft patent WO2020-060606, Google's/Microsoft's new Smart Tattoo, a "beast" who is likened to a lamb (pink wool sweaters perhaps?) that wins over the majority of humanity with his wonders and miracles (technology, weapons, vaccines) gaining power for 42-43 months (almost a 4 year term) before bringing fire from the sky down onto the earth and murdering two prophets who spoke out against him for 1200+ days in such a way that every eye one Earth can see it (YouTube, Facebook Live) Forcing people into accepting to wear items if they wish to buy or sell goods and services. It's here guys. Exciting times. My whole life has felt like training for these times. Whether I get to take up my cross, dig my heels in, and go out fighting or I get to skip ahead of the line and miss it all doesn't bother me one bit. We're still on the winning side, and we won't ever be alone in it. Playing the game is a lot less stressful when you know before hand that you can't lose. Let's not allow the enemy to use divide and conquer on us. We are saved by the same blood and serve the same Kingdom.

For me, the main take of the Revelation is verse 17 in Chapter 22.

"And the Spirit and the bride say, Come.

And let him that heareth say, Come.

And let him that is athirst come.

And whosoever will, let him take the water of life feely."

The Book of Life is still being written.

While it's interesting to read people's comments. I am afraid that many are off in a ditch when it comes to Revelations. The main take away from Revelations should be that great pain and sorrow await those whose names are not written in the lambs book of life.

I'm sorry but you are mistaken. The rapture can happen any second. And the bride of christ. The body of christ. "The church". Will not suffer . But must be called up before the tribulations.

I am awaiting with bated breath the return of Christ. However, those who are praying for a "rapture" should not. The "rapture" doesn't take place until AFTER Armageddon.

The Meaning of Matthew 24:40-41 and Luke 17:34-35, "Although many assume that those taken in Matt 24:40-41 and Luke 17:34-35 are taken to be with Jesus and those left behind are left for judgment, this interpretation should be rejected." Throughout the context of these passages Jesus uses judgment language reminiscent of the Babylonian destruction of Jerusalem and the subsequent exile of its inhabitants. Those who were taken away were the ones judged by God whereas those left behind were the remnant who received grace.

I never said that. You can read through history pages what I did say. Thanks

Mishael and Jesse - Joseph was not Jesus biological father/parent. Jesus was conceived and born of the holy spirit as the son of God but through Mary being used by God as the biological mother for the birth of Jesus in the human flesh, such that through Him all the elect of God (Jews and non-Jews) could be saved, etc.. Indeed there are Christ believing Jews (and gentiles) and a great many antichrist Jews, out of whom may possibly ascend the Prince in Daniel 9:26 that makes a Covenant with many for one week..

11 and after three days and an half the 'Spirit Of Life' from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

Note: Again!! JEHOVAH /GOD proves HIS POWER over death, as we see in verse 11 where the Spirit Of Life from GOD.....therefore all in 2020 that rightly apply John 3:16-21 or similar verses can be assured the same Spirit Of GOD SHALL 'raise & reward' as stated in verse 18.

MB what is the Bible definition of an antichrist?

1 John 2:22 - Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. (ALL Jews deny Jesus and that makes them antichrist, if they believed in Jesus then they would be CHRISTIANS. IF you do not believe me call any Synagogue and ask them if Jesus is the Messiah.) 1 John 2:23 - Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

If Jews do not accept Jesus as messiah, then who is their messiah? SATAN?

1 Corinthians 16:22 - If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema (CURSED) Maranatha.

DO JEWS LOVE JESUS OR ARE THEY CURSED?

At least muslims consider Jesus a prophet of the Lord. Jews consider Jesus as FALSE PROPHET AND DECEIVER.

Paul in 1 Thessalonians 2:14, 16 - For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, EVEN AS THEY HAVE OF THE JEWS: WHO BOTH KILLED THE LORD JESUS, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and THEY PLEASE NOT GOD, and are contrary to all men: Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: FOR THE WRATH IS COME UPON THEM TO THE UTTERMOST.

The two witnesses are Elijah and Moses.

Muslims did not come into existence until late in the sixth century. Peoples of the Bible are referred to by their nation, or positions. Like Egyptian or Jordanians.

Moses was a Prophet who preached to and lead the Israelites out of Egypt. Here in Revelation he represents the New Testament. He is also a "type" of Christ. Compare their attributes, there are many things common to both Moses and Christ.

Elijah was a Prophet who here in Revelation represents the Old Testament. He preached to the Northern Tribes of Israel dressed in camel skins and fur. John the Baptist was a type of Elijah in attire and message he preached, and also was a Prophet.

A Muslim person will have a major role in Daniel's 70th week as the Antichrist.

Need more homework.

God has engineered all his work and assigned his workers to do the work before he created everything. One of the works is the end-time harvest. And you are on the right topic to discuss about the two men.

Rev11 the two witnesses are the muslims in Jerusalem GOD Put them there. Isaiah 43 and Ezekiel 43 phropecy is about them the men from the east. Now they are the worshippers there as foretold also by jesus john 4 ;21-23 , the worshippers. At present the gentile that were to defile were the people pretending to be Jew. They are not Jews they lost there race a long time ago when they intermarry with the Greeks, that's why they became Caucasian. Now the witnesses are done. The 1230 days is done in 1914. And our world is heading into a great catastrophy. GOD ALMIGHTY BLESS US ALL. BUT TAKE NOTE GOD IS NOT THE ONE THAT IS BRING US INTO TROYBLE. ITS MAN HEADED BY THE BEAST IN REV. 12

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How do you know if it's God or the Devil talking to you or telling you to do something.

Etta, you've raised a valid point, that there are many around us, even amongst believers, who remain fearful & perplexed as to the present pandemic & to what will happen in their 'future' & in the world. True, we can either sit in a corner & fret, or we can be encouraged from God's Word & His Spirit, to us being in the centre of His Will, in His Love & in His Care, no matter what transpires from all this.

And of course, to those without Christ & without hope, what an opportunity to share the news of salvation & to demonstrate our confidence & hope in the Promises of our King. The unbeliever looks at this turmoil in the world & their lives as devastating without any good coming out of it (except for cleaner air & nature returning back to normality), but for us, this time is precious as we take stock of our own faith & real focus in life and the opportunity that God gives to others, to hear His Message of Salvation that gives true Hope in the midst of their crumbling world.

Kathy, not sure what you're looking for, but if it has to do with any other Scripture that has resemblance to Psalm 23 in showing God's care for His people, then have a look at: Isaiah 40:9-11; Jeremiah 31:10,11; Ezekiel 34:11-16; John 10:11-17; 1 Peter 2:25. There are of course, many other references to the duty of shepherds & the many shepherds in Israel, not of flocks, but of God's people, who have not done according to what God required of them & therefore received some stern warnings.

Jesus Christ is for believers now, their Great Shepherd, Who not only gave His Life for His sheep, but will one day come to gather them in a special way, into His fold to save them from the Anger of God that is coming upon the world, & to relocate them to a new "sheep pen", i.e. unto Himself in the New Jerusalem where we will be with Him & the Father forever.

Another reference for the 23rd Psalms

I have never had any visions of end-time events. All I have is what was given to John in the book of Revelation. Plus we have Matthew Chapters 25 and 25. In the book of Revelation, John got to see the whole thing happen while it was happening. We don't understand that because we haven't gotten there yet. We live in a time/space factor, and everything goes according to the clock and calendar for us. But it is not that way for God, and John got caught up in spirit to see the whole thing happen while it was taking place. We haven't been there yet. One thing is for certain, it will happen exactly how John described it because he literally witnessed it happening while it happened.

I think we have to be careful about how we approach end-time events. When dealing with end-time prophecy, we have to always keep in mind that all prophecies concerning the last days are based upon Daniel 9:24-27, which presents the 70th week of Daniel. Plus, all end-time prophecies are centered on the Jewish people. If a prophecy is ever presented as centered on the United States of America, you know it is going to be off.

The 70th week of Daniel is a 7 year period, which will be the 7 year Tribulation Period. Right now, we are living in what is called the time of the Gentiles. The time of the Gentiles began on April 6th, 32 A.D. when Christ died and will end when Christ comes for His church. That will be the rapture. And from that point, there will be a 7 year period of tribulation before Christ returns at His second coming. And by the way, we come back with Him! What a blessed day that will be! So by now, you've probably figured out that I am a Pre-Tribber. I firmly believe in a Pre-Tribulation rapture. I know there are different views on when the rapture will take place (Pre/Mid/Post), but I stand pretty firm on my position of a Pre-Tribulation rapture.

Mishael, I'm new to this discussion board, but I was drawn to your comment because God began to speak to my spirit saying, "this is the place,' you can sink your teeth, when you feel disconnected from your church.'

Okay, here we go. A) Revelation 11 talks about the two witnesses, B) I have visions too, I'm also called into intercession praying for our great country and it breaks my heart to see how we in this great land are treating one another, especially during this crisis, when we've been given so much, but we can sit here and fret or we can get busy for God's kingdom, because time is short.

With social distancing, we're pretty relegated to social media, text messages and phone calls, but God will continue to empower His people to do what He's called us to do, if we're willing.

Thank you for your comment, may God continue to empower you to do His work in the fullness of His might and power,

When I was yet a baby Christian I got into street evangelizing after I attended a storefront church. The first time I went alone I told a group of people coming out of a bar they were blindly going to hell intoxicated. They just laughed and we know we are. I was devastated. I went home and was trying to figure out what went wrong. I hear this voice in my spirit: "are you done doing it you way? I said "Yes Sir!!"

He showed me to study to show myself approved. To intercede for people I would meet. To pray to the Lord of the Harvest to send people in my direction. Then to pray for the people to take those first steps. I gave many people rides to church. Then over to my place for spaghetti. Well, I had times when I knew I was walking with angels nearby. I never saw them. I had the greatest feelings of joy unspeakable.

You feel in your spirit when's the right moment to speak to someone. Most people will not refuse you saying a prayer for their needs.

I'm older now. I have visions. Two years ago; I saw hideous storms, earthquakes in other countries, fires; the stock market; riots and pestilence. I had asked the Lord how prideful America would bow it's knee to the Antichrist. The vision was His answer.

Six months ago He said "Fire." I studied everything in the Bible. He said, "it is not global warming." The earth temperature is rising for end time events. There are scriptures on that.

It's about time for someone to stand up and speak peace; one world economy; one world religion.

Like this election: they're going to have us out in the street, in a line waiting for toilet paper and rationed food like the Russians. I think this is all a dress rehearsal for the rapture. I hope it's PRE and not POST.

What do you think

The *real Jews* are not circumcised by flesh but in spirit. Read Romans 2 : 28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:

29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

You are building on a solid foundation for sure. When I read your posts, there is always something that stands out. Here, you say we should be praying to the Lord of the HARVEST to send out workers (Christians) to evangelize. Amen!

I wish everyone could see the truth in what you just said. He sends the workers out. I feel bad for believers who are being told that they need to get out there and get people saved. There's a lot of pressure being put on believers. Some are even told that the Lord would have come back by now if we would have been out there doing our job. There is nothing wrong with going out and sharing the gospel message, but if it is not the Lord sending us, we need to stay put.



I spent some time with a Christian brother about 6 months ago camping at a music festival. Obviously there was a large crowd. He wanted me to go with him to share the gospel with a group of people that were not too far from where we were set up. I asked him why he wanted to go. He said because that's what we're supposed to do as Christians. I told him to go ahead, and he went. Later that evening he asked me why I didn't go with him. I looked at him and asked him if the Lord put it on his heart to go and do that? He thought about it for a second, and then said no. So I told him that's why I didn't go. If the Lord doesn't send us, we are doing it out of our own human ambition. There's no reward for that!

And yes, the two witnesses are going to be evangelizing in the streets of Jerusalem, also, the 144,000 Jews that are sealed by God who will be evangelizing, and plus the angel flying around mid-heaven for 3-1/2 years warning people. I think God pretty much has the salvation plan covered.

Thanks for the humor. I haven't heard the phrase "wig out" in such a long time!

I've been clobbered a few times, by the Holy Spirit on that subject. It hurts, to hurt Him. That started me on a path to understand why. I realized, from Scripture, that God has an end time program for them. I don't think they'll all be saved. I think the two witnesses are going to play a huge part in turning Jews to see that Jesus was, and is, their Messiah.

Right now Jews are returning from countries they fled to since the 1900's. Some of them hid in the Catholic Church. But they're coming home now and lots of them are born again and know Jesus as their Savior. They aren't being secret Christians. They're happy and vocal. Having evangelistic meetings. Wish I cold go and see it.

HATE, IS NOT part of our born again witness to an unsaved world. Jew, Gentile, Greek, Others (etc) are all welcome by Jesus to be born again now. We should be praying to the Lord of the HARVEST to send out workers (Christians) to evangelize; answer their questions.

If a person has a heart for the Son Of God, they will lay that hate on the altar of God and walk away.

Anyone want to know the history of the dispersion of the Jews, can read a book by Stan Telchin, called Betrayed. He was born again trying to prove Jesus was not the Messiah. Heartwarming read; lots of history. The book has much more explanation of the history.

AbeBooks dot com has that book and all of Arthur Bloomfield's books about the End times for the world and the Jews. Arthur was old but his writings are suddenly falling into evening news.

Being a Christian is hard when others wig out on theology. We have to TEST the spirits and be sure everything is of God; reveals the Love of Jesus. Greatest Teacher ever is the Holy Spirit. He will open up revelation that will enlarge your heart (in a good way). It will be so sweet to you, you'll want to sing endlessly.... even if you sound like a frog, like me.

The opposite of Love is Hate. Gotta let that go. God is Love. That's our measuring stick. Amen

Mishael,

You make a great point. Something else I was pondering on is that if all Jews deny Christ and are considered to be antichrist, why would God permit antichrist Jewish men to write most, if not all, the books of the New Testament? It doesn't make much sense to me!

Jesus was born to Jewish parents! He was raised Jewish! How are you going to reconcile that fact?