Revelation Chapter 12 Discussion Page 20

A war in heaven... pre-existing spirits. Taking up Gods side... those who didn't were cast out... 1/3 of the host/stars... out into the earth to torment those here who are on the Lords side. I've heard this somewhere before.. most importantly the affirmations of a preexisting state of the beings in heaven and now on the earth...
There's a plan The Lord's plan... trust in Him, learn his plan

In short, the purpose of this passage is for encouragement. The woman represents the group of believers; the dragon represents the pagan empire during Constantine's Christian conversion. This dragon is very same 4th beast in Daniel. Revelations describes Daniel's fourth beast in various phases until it develops into the Holy Roman Empire. This is God contrasting his kingdom to man's kingdom.

DON"T BE A FOOL! How many self-seeking false prophets have to make a fool of themselves and everyone who listens to them, before the words of our Lord are believed and obeyed? "No man knows the day nor the hour when the Son of Man returns; only the Father! The vision and the sign describes the true state of the world, and the reason for what things tale place. IT'S NOT to decrypt some hocus pocus!

Chapter 12 has parallel meanings but most importantly it is a sign. The sign is in the heavens and refers to the celestial alignment taking place on September 23, 2017. Many feel it is pointing to the Rapture because of the context of the vision. What is important is not if the Rapture happens at that point since we should always be ready for that amazing "twinkling of an eye".

Looks to me like God cleaned house in Heaven and figured it's time for man to do the same under the pretense and directive of God to be the hands and feet to ensure Thy will be done on earth as it is in Heaven

Verse 12 shows how angry Satan is that he has been thrown out of heaven. He has not given up in his fight to turn as many away as possible.

In verse 7 we can see that Satan and his demons did not willingly leave heaven. There was a war that had to be fought and Jesus hurled Satan and the demons out of heaven.

Revelation 12 covers history for thousands of years, even from the ancient beginnings in heaven. Revelation 12 tells about God's purpose: God's reason for creating man, the calling of Abraham onto Jacob that is to be Israel, and ultimately to the King of Kings, the Lord, and to the remnant of Israel, which triumph over the Devil/dragon/Satan, by the love of Christ, the Lamb of God himself. Amen.

Verse 17, Jesus indicates a remnant (remainder) woman (church) that is under attack by the dragon (satan) because the church remains faithful in keeping the ten commandments, including Sabbath commandment. And the church is concerned with prophecy (testimony of Jesus as told in Rev 19:10).

Things in the spiritual realm we have only a small glimpse into, but the images and teaching in this Prophecy give us much important knowledge. How Satan fell from heaven like lightning, and how he is still permitted to go about and deceive the Nations to bring all things to completion; we must leave in God's care. The Lord Jesus has given us authority in His Name over ALL the power of the enemy!

Pt 2- and IF you follow what this man does, you'll see that HE is the one who is calling those who keep God's commandments cowards, haters, fundamentalists and any thing else to cause dissention. He just met with Russian Orthodox, now they banned JWs and SDAs because he calls there evangelizing"terrorism". Then went to Poland and they implemented a Sunday law. Follow and see what he does. Peace

anti-Christ is translated"instead of" or in His place. All this futurism fairy tale is designed to take your eyes of the guilty ones. A pagan-satan worshipping religion that's been around over 1000 yrs with it head man sitting on a throne calling himself God. They forgive sins in God's place too. Hint: they burned over 50 million protestants who said BIBLE ONLY at the stake. It is Rome...still

to Diriba, you're not alone in trying to understand Revelation, When JESUS spoke to his disciples, it was in parables. The imagery of these passages are, I believe, such a parable. The dragon, satan and his forces, manifested and opposing the LORD and his. The war in heaven mirrored on earth, the same war on earth an echo of that heavenly battle. Take strength in that, hope that helps? - karl

answer in verse 9,that old serpent, called the Devil

Durian:Satan,devil: the fallen angel

What is the meaning of dragon?

This chapter would cause a lot of people to repent and seek salvation if the could imagine the agony of being forever lost. Having God turn his face from us eternally makes everything else pale in comparison.

fact that scripture tells us that Satan as antichrist comes to deceive the whole world which means there is a deception. Now an actor deceives people playing a role of another person but that's all in fun to entertain people. Now a man with battle gear on, or dragon spitting fire to kill, steal, destroy coming to kill all man of flesh doesn't need to deceive anyone.Men of war don't have to deceive

It is amazing. I learn more

Behold, I know your thoughts, and the devices which ye wrongfully imagine against me. For now ye are nothing: ye see my casting down, and are afraid. The sinners in Zion are afraid: fearfulness hath surprised the hypocrites. Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings? For the LORD thy God is a consuming fire, even a jealous God.

This chapter appears parenthetical between the second and third woes to provide explanation for the judgments upon the earth. Many of these events, such as Christ's birth (vv. 2

Satan will open his mouth and claim he is Christ. The flood symbolizes 'flood of lies'. True Christians will be going through the tribulation in Matt. ch. 24. Those who believe they will be raptured will be taken by the flood of lies: "one taken and the other left." The obedient servant waits for the REAL Christ at the 7th trump, which comes AFTER the antichrist's reign (6th trump) in 2nd Thess.

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life::::::::For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world but that the world through him might be saved.

The battle we wage is spiritual and it's about truth vs apostacy. Apostacy is false teaching aka doctrines of men. There is physical suffering on earth for God's chosen because the devil makes ear with them like when Rome killed 100 million during the dark ages. It will be them again beheading people. They put prophecy as far in future so you don't see the wound healing like NOW with UNITY push.

Verse 12 shows that the earth is experiencing great woe because Satan the Devil has been hurled down here and he knows that his time is short.

Finally! Someone gets it. Onsase is spot on. The seal of God is like any other seal. It has the name:God,title: creator , dominion: heaven and earth- all described in the 4th commandment. Only way NOT to get the MARK is by being sealed in the forehead (your mind) being grounded in truth. Read Rev 14:12 , then 19:10 and you'll see what the 3angels messages show you must understand. Peace to you all

The woman dressed with sun and moon under feet is the church of God,the remnant church of God which does Gods will,
Gods will is doing doing as per Gods commandments.
There are ten commandments given by God summarized by Jesus Christmas
1.love your neighbor. As you love yourself
2.love your God with your all.
The mark and identifier of Gods people is the sabbath day as given as the fourth command

Jesus says pray and do not faint.

v 17- And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

WOW! 2016 / this war has sweep the earth. I see and hear of casualties (those wounded and killed) everyday. This war can be over whamming... But thank God for His peace through Jesus Christ, thereby we endure and not faint.

It's all good,I'll study more of it.do my research.going back to the bible