Revelation Chapter 13 Discussion Page 2

What is the significance of the number: 666?

Where does it originate?

What are the original Greek words used for "Left hand" and "Forehead" ?

Revelations 19:20, Revelations 17:13, seems to be a collaboration to make 'the mark' Revelation 17:3, Revelations 17:9-12, Revelations 13:18 both say ''be wise''. Revelations 13:16-17,

Hi Joyce It you are a christian I wouldn't think about this area to much because we will not be around, this occurs

after the Church the body of Christ is resurrected or gathered together. It will be set up by Satan and it will be a system

that if you don't worship basically you'll be toast. There are things transpiring now that are building up to that

happening, but as long as the church is here it cannot rise to full fruition. This is my understanding.

what is the mark of the beast and where does he get it

That is my prayer, that USA continues to be a light for Christ and even more so.

Shalam...I came on looking for additional info/commentary on the beast in this chapter, "being like unto a leopard", but your post made some interesting points. Based on all that's unfolding I see the jab as most definitely the motb. When you look into the ingredients of this poison we find them to be gene altering no longer leaving the person a Creation of The Most High...they are then transhuman if they have chosen that route unless their jab was actually a placebo not the poison. An mRNA operating system, aborted fetal tissue, graphine oxide, luciferase and "supposedly" a Hydra gmo-- all these are mixed-in and already creating other-than-human beings on the earth.

As for the context in which "causeth" is used, I interpret it differently. First, we know we are unredeemable if we take the mark, and the believers and followers of The Way are written in the Book of Life, so surely The Most High would not force death upon those who are His or those with an option to be. Secondly, "causeth" doesn't necessarily mean "by force"; I see the cause as by deception. And when we look at it thru that lense, it lines up. This plandemic is built on a mountain of lies.

In order to understand scripture we must first understand that Christianity is a product of the Roman Catholic Church and the RCC a product of the paganism of the Roman Empire and that Rome is Edom and is Edom is Esau. Romans 9:13 tells us, As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

Lastly, we must know who the true Children of Israel are. Revelation 2:9 and 3:9 both mention those who say they are Jews but are of the synagogue of Satan. Without this truth, we are not able to accurately interpret the scriptures. Interestingly enough, the very people who are downtrodden and seen as worthless are the "apple of his eye", aka, the so-called African-American and other so-called Black people scattered across the four corners of the earth by way of captivity. The rabbit hole goes leagues deep.

Revelation 17:10 . The sixth kingdom though at the time of John's vision was the Roman kingdom it was still vaguely described since the time of Daniel's vision looking forward in time to different governments. The Roman government was the last earthy, worldly government that had no formal border to the Spiritual Kingdom of God in Christ Jesus. Once this Kingdom began it became a border to itself and all other future govenments, limiting their growth and their names because the True Kingdom on Earth prevails.

These earthly smaller kingdoms to this day are where God's Providence continues to work miracles. If Satan were not bound with chain, there would be no weakness in the World for an escape into the Spiritual Kingdom of Christ. This Heavenly Providence is Grace and a way of escape.

This is the door of Grace into Salvation in Ark of Jesus Christ and his Church and by the Providence of God. From the beginning of His Kingdom until now the door of the Ark is opened to all whom confess their sins, turn from them and by faith enter in by faith which is freedom.

When the Providence of God in the little governments of the World ceases, then Satan will be released fully and the route to escape becomes impossible because God will not prevent Satan's killing lusts. Worse yet, for the protection of the souls in the Ark of Salvation, the spiritual border crossing will be forever closed.

The tourists Ark in Kentucky may well be an example for some that are like the foolish virgins. They once entered the Ark of Salvation and instead of remaining steadfast in faith they exited a remaining open door to a gift shop to walk around and buy memories of the Ark.

The time of the Covid also seems to be under appreciating the Providence of God as a sign of the times. The day of Provocation is at hand and we as Christians are complaining about the World when it is the World (by water) Spiritual Grace that saves the way of escape across the border to the open Ark.

Chris, Interesting we likewise were in Orange Co. Ca. for several years. In the Greater Los Angeles area, coastal. We are back on the East Coast, USA. Thank you for the insight & prayers.

Thank you for your comments T. Levis, & more so for your prayers for Australia - she is indeed in great need because of their total disregard to the Word of God & apathy to spiritual things. In fact, eastern religions seem to have more appeal to many, which speaks a lot about the sad & sometimes bad testimony of Christians who ought to be the 'salt & light' to all. Not that the masses will come to the light, but it would be a righteous standard before them, so they are without excuse. And yet, there are many wonderful believers who are wholly devoted to the Lord. The Church is certainly visible - maybe not visible enough.

No rebuke taken - or even seen in your comments. I'm sure the things you've heard are true, but the other side is, if police orders are disobeyed, then we must expect a response; as in the Melbourne woman (she was arrested for "pursuing a course of conduct which would involve the committing of an offence", under stage three/four lockdown). Whether an order is right or wrong isn't the issue - following it or not, is. Sadly, Australia has gone the same way as many countries have, giving God & His Word no place, prohibiting strong discipline at home & school, quashing minority voices that go against righteous behaviour, etc. etc.

Having said that, we have a very strong connection to the States, my wife having spent over fifteen years studying & working there, mainly in Orange County, Ca. So our friends over there are scattered all over the country (East to West), some of them very fine believers. And yes, we too over here look at the U.S. with sadness, a singularly great nation being at the forefront in every field of service, now being decimated by evil forces seeking her ruin. As you pray for us here, be assured that my (& many other's) prayers for America are specific & for her govt, especially that believers will remain strong & resilient to those forces, resting on the Promises found in God's Word to all who abide in Him. Every blessing.

Thank you Sharon for your update. In fact, this very morning on 7's Sunrise, Greg Hunt gave the updated vaccination figures which confirm what I shared. I realise that not everything govts & media issue are truthful, but the common man can only stand on those figures rather than on totally false perceptions from others trying to instill doubt & fear. If your figures are more accurate, then that should suffice.

However, the point in this thread I referred to was that there's a mass door-to-door program going on to force 'the Mark' onto people. I trust you will disagree with that absurdity.

Chris, that's cool you're from Australia it's an amazingly fascinating place, with wonderful creatures & strong beautiful freedom loving people from my distant perspective anyway. It's amazing today we have the ability to witness events & communicate across the world through a few ways. I have been in prayer for Australia for a little while now after viewing many videos of individuals stating in Melbourne young women being arrested 1 pregnant in her own kitchen for posting a picture of Australia saying something like 'this is what oppression looks like' on Facebook. Another women tackled and arrested for not wearing a mask, in a park, sitting down at a socially distant protest. One subosedly held 3 weeks without charges because she was videoing police during protest. Nick Vujicic an Evangelist also from Australia asked for prayer for Australia, tearfully, weeks after I had already started crying out on their behalf. I've reached out to some people I know there & waiting. Please don't in anyway think of this as a rebuke, to you, by no means!! I'm just reaching out with information I've seen. I respect your knowledge, appreciate your informative answers, thank you for your kindness & consideration, your work, time & effort you give to all of us here. I will continue to pray & please let us know of truth in it all, everyone involved.

Christian Greetings! On the Peaceable Kingdom of Christ.

Revelation 17:10

Daniel in his vision of four beasts looked ahead from his time. Three beasts of kingdoms were more clear: Grecian, Persian and Babylonian kingdoms. More vague was a forth kingdom.

John in his vision looked back from the vision's point in time past the time of Daniel to the Assyrian and Egyptian kingdoms. At the time of the vision the vague kingdom was clearly the Roman kingdom. A total of six kingdoms with one to come after the Roman kingdom.

The seventh Kingdom is of the domain of Jesus Christ and is the last Kingdom in earth.

For your meditation.

Hi Derek It cannot be the mark of the beast because that does not start to happen until the church is gathered to together and the son of perdition is revealed, we'll be outta here.

Sister Sacha; thank you, but I revealed nothing to you. The words I spoke are not my words but his words, He reveals, I do nothing.

Philippians 2:13 For it is God who worketh in you both TO WILL and TO DO his good pleasure.

Thank you and God bless you.

I'm not sure if this is the mark of the best or the end times, but this is the closest thing we've ever seen. The level of darkness and evil over people promoting mass murder. What about the families crying over their loved ones who followed orders from their boss or government. We are very angry over this, but am praying to keep myself contained. What if this was your loved one? All these people died because they believed the lie told to them that it would keep them 'safe.' No, dying is not keeping you 'safe.' More deaths already than all other vaccines combined in history and they are grossly and dishonestly underreported.

915682: Resident received vaccine per pharmacy at the facility at 5 pm. Approximately 6:45 resident found unresponsive and EMS contacted. Upon EMS arrival at facility, resident went into cardiac arrest, code initiated by EMS and transported to hospital. Resident expired at hospital at approximately 8 pm 915880: Patient died within 12 hours of receiving the vaccine.

915920: Resident received vaccine in am and expired that afternoon.

921175: Resident received Covid Vaccine, noted after 30 mins with labored breathing BP 161/77, HR 116, R 38, T 101.4,

921768: Vaccine received at about 0900 on 01/04/2021 at her place of work, Medical Center, where she was employed as a housekeeper. About one hour after receiving the vaccine she experienced a hot flash, nausea, and feeling like she was going to pass out after she had bent down. Later at about 1500 hours she appeared tired and lethargic, then a short time later, at about 1600 hours, upon arrival to a friends home she complained of feeling hot and having difficulty breathing. She then collapsed, then when medics arrived, she was still breathing slowly then went into cardiac arrest and was unable to be revived.

927189: Patient was vaccinated at 11am and was found at the facility in his room deceased at approximately 3:00pm. Nurse did not have cause of death

929764: The patient was found deceased at home about 24 hours after immunization. Date of Death:: 12/29/2020; estimated time of death 6:00pm 933578: Pronounced dead 1/9/2021 at 12:42. Received first dose of vaccine 1/8/2021

Dear Brother Earl . I would like to thank you very much for your posts on here . When I first started reading you I honestly struggled . However you have taught me so much . I now understand , with my heart and mind what these two scriptures mean : Ezekiel Ch 11 v 19 and 2nd Peter Ch 1 v 19 . Thank you so much for opening my eyes and ears and heart and mind . If I remember correctly , you live alone in the wilds of Texas . I'm sure you already know that you are not alone . As far as I'm concerned you are the brightest star in the desert . Christ is coming and he's coming for you . Much love and respect and appreciation .

Chris, you need to recheck you stats here! We do not have 80% vaccination, in fact much less!. Never underestimate the power of the media to lie and cause fear porn!. I'm a nurse and I know there is much lying!.

Hello Jode. Are you from Australia? I am. And what you have just stated is entirely false as I think you have picked up on such 'news' from doubtful sources. Let me assure you & others reading this thread, that no such thing that has been described, is occurring in Australia. There are on average about eighty percent of the population (partly or fully) vaccinated & there are some companies which deal with food products, the mining sector, health care, policing, etc. that are requiring their employees to be vaccinated by the end of the year. They are not forced to be vaccinated; if they refuse to abide by company policy, they can apply for another job that will permit them to remain unvaccinated. Australia is now opening up to its other States & even internationally & there will always be a small percentage who refuse vaccinations for their own reasons. If there's going to be any 'mark' given, it will be under the instigation of the Anti-Christ & it will be clear that whoever doesn't take the Mark will not be able to survive for very long. Maybe you could visit other more reputable news sources & learn what the current situation is in Australia & the World.

Brother Rick, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

I would like to expand the truths of your comments a little farther.

Revelation is two judgements, the first being the saints of God, as you said ( 1 Peter 4:17).

The gospel of Christ hasn't YET been preached to the WHOLE WORLD (from ADAM to CHRIST they had already died). This will happen after the first judgement of the saints, which is happening in the TIME of their suffering in the FLESH. When all the saints have been gathered, THEN, the second resurrection, at which time the saints with Christ, will declare (judge) the gospel to the WHOLE WORLD ( Revelation 10:11).

Judgement is not PUNISHMENT, as most believe, but is coming to TRUTH, by the words and works of God. In this AGE, ONLY, to those CHOSEN (to be saints and judges, GIVEN eyes to see and ears to hear. Everyone in God's APPOINTED TIME.

The whole world has been RECONCILED to God, through JESUS CHRIST; they just don't KNOW YET ( Colossians 1:20).

Matthew 13:11 He answer and said unto them, Because it is GIVEN unto you (the saints) TO KNOW, but unto them (those not called to the first resurrection) it is NOT GIVEN.

Christ creating HIMSELF in HIS SAINTS, how else can you JUDGE RIGHTEOUSLY, unless you have HIS MIND.

God always CHOOSES MEN, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Samson, Gideon, Joshua, the twelve, Paul, etc., etc. In THIS AGE, first death (to Christ, to his Word), first resurrection (his and the saints resurrection), first judgement (into TRUTH, THE LIFE, THE WAY) he is choosing ONLY THE SAINTS.

All others will be resurrected back in their FLESH and be JUDGED in CHRIST (HIS WORDS) by THE SAINTS and CHRIST and brought to the TRUTH that God HAS RECONCILED the world to himself through his Son Jesus Christ.

1 Corinthians 15:28 When ALL THINGS shall be subdued to him, then shall the Son himself be subject to him who put all things under him, that GOD may be ALL IN ALL.

You don't CHOSE me, I CHOSE YOU.

Tartarus: Where was Tartaria ? The Tartary encompassed the vast region of Siberia (Russia), Mongolia, Manchuria (China), Turkestan (Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, southern Kyrgyzstan, southwest Kazakhstan and the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region (China)) and sometimes Tibet (China).

This word, Tartarus is NOT in the Bible. Now when I googled CHINA in the search engine of this website, it revealed 3 scriptures. On describes China's National colors. I quizzed the search engine to discover where the PANDEMICS originated. All corona viruses have originated in China. BUT, some middle eastern countries are named with Ancient names. Use ancient maps to find the names yourselves. HUMANS DID THIS.

Bottom Line is= Jesus said these things would happen. It's a sign of the impending END OF ALL THINGS, The time of the End; LAST DAYS, etc.

The nations surrounding Israel are Palestinian. They are determined to steal the Covenant God made with Abraham. God blessed Ishmael with Princes, Wealth in a separate Blessing. They will deal with God in this treachery of this day.

If American politics withdraws help to Israel, every man, woman, child will suffer for Our Treachery. If we don't speak up with our VOICES AND VOTES, do not be surprised what happens as a result. Covenants that God makes are set in stone. Read Leviticus 26. No amount of crying and pretending ignorance will stop what is going to happen. Book of Daniel is happening now.

Australia is being prematurely persecuted. Tartarus, Tataria could be Principalities. Ephesians 6. Fast and pray Corporately as a nation.

Look people 2 Peter 3: it is all going to burn up. from the North Pole to the South Pole. It's not optional. We must get ready to go with Jesus!!

He can come any day now. Signs support that. Be joyful that you will not have to see the destruction of earth. Google: Revelation Station Movie.

It's imaginary, but it makes you Think Forever.

I speak peace over you, child of God.

Hi Jode It is my understanding the book of revelation is the final Judgement of man kind via the last appearing of Jesus christ. We being in the Body of Christ the church of God have already been Judged and because we have been made righteous in Gods eyes by what Jesus Christ accomplished we are not facing judgement but rewarded the bema for our stand on Gods word. Also opening verse of revelation says to the servants of God, Israel was called out to be servants of God by adoption, the church of God us are sons and daughters by spiritual rebirth. Now we are servants to people with holding forth the word but nowhere in the church epistles are we called servants we are called saints. We show up in revelation coming back with Christ as saints to end all evil. Perhaps this will help and I'm sure there are other understandings, revelation is the most misunderstood book in Gods Word.

In Rev 13, he "causeth all" to take a mark. Causeth, is not free will, causeth is forced..and there is no opt out option, it say ALL, as in all people will be forced to take this mark. Australia is going door to door, and forcing, no free will, all, as in all citizens to take this mark. This mark, in Australia is not a medicine. For Rev 18:23, says that the reason the Harlot (all the merchants) will be destroyed, was directly related to her sorcery deception.sorcery means pharmekia..people had been deceived by pharmekia. Deceived how? To take a forced jab by pharmekia? It's quite obvious by now, there is a grand deception taking place, and people are facing the "causeth" when wicked people show up at their door to inject wickedness into their bodies. These verses, do not say Christians are exempt, but, without this mark, there will be no participation in the system at all. Why are we seeing all these things happen now? I learned that all these things will take place during the tribulation, up what we clearly see happening, is not really the mark because there is no antichrist. Things are all out of sequence. So.is it possible, that Tartaria had been the millennium kingdom, and we are actually in the little season? After all, the CIA released documents in the 1940's that stated stated, Tartaria had existed, and had been blotted out of history, and maps.to cover up the crimes of humanity against the people of Tartaria. The Tartaians even had coins stamped with either an I for Iesus, or a J for Jesus, plus the date. If we stop and think about it.after the 1000 years of peace, the short season kicked off with the loosening of Satan from his pit, and the first country to fall was Tartaria, then the inquisition to murder Christians, then world wars, and all hell as been unleashed. This is not earths first great reset, but one of any. How do all that we see taking place today, fit into the Bible? There seems to be a misunderstanding of bible sequence. I'm confused.

It had to be after because he is forced to walk to and fro upon the earth, not float around in space (the darkness/nothingness) I am guessing about the exact time but i would think after Adam and Eve were kicked out of the garden but before Cain killed Able, he was there to whisper that jealousy into Cain's heart.

I believe the USA continues to be a light through JESUS : Psalm 33:12-22, our motto is "GOD we trust",

Another sign they like to say peace peace when there is no peace . They hate the truth of their errors and kill the real prophets a reoccurring theme through out the bible .

I don't expect to find TV evangelist much different.

They can easily be proven false and their followers are the real losers for not seeking the truth in the scriptures. A special place in hell for these fake preachers .

He's a Pastor. Doesn't criticize. A street preacher like me.

Does this preacher ask for money like other false prophets ?

A sure sign .

I know the answer just pointing it out .

You are almost preaching it now. Only the Father knows when the Tribulation will start. We get info in Matthew 24 and Luke 21, Book of Peter and Thessalonians. One sign is Romans 1.

The only way to be ready is become a Christian now. Not much is left that's left to appear. The end times were described as a woman giving birth. Starts off slow, speeds up, pain increases.

The only way to survive is to choose Jesus. They'll force people to take the Mark to receive food; but there won't be enough food and water for everyone. Later in the Tribulation all the water will turn to blood. You have to preach to your children & tell them about the signs. Tell them to search YouTube videos of disasters happening today! Things are getting worse. The USA doesn't even really have a president anymore. He's too old. He's not Leading!

Watch a preacher, Greg Laurie on YouTube. He teaches often on the End of Days (the Rapture).

Keep coming back in here. Don't worry too much.

I'm still wondering about the seven years of tribulation if it is true that people has to go through for Seven years remember during the tribulation there will be famine, pestilence and many others, how can anyone survive for that long, the people of God would because they will be fed with bread and water in the wilderness how about the sinners because that day there will be sinners alive who will see Jesus coming in the clouds and they will call for the rocks and mountains to fall on them to hide them from the face of Jesus