Revelation Chapter 13 Discussion Page 3

I believe in the writings of Elen white G because what is wrote is now on the ground, she said the first beast will be the Pope of Rome and the second beast is the United states which will make the whole world to worship the first beast. Sea on the news how the Pope is becoming a public figure almost every body is worshiping him and they called him holy father. For the bible says every man has seen that means there is no one holy on earth only God is holy that is the title of God no one can have it. Any calling himself by God's title is a blasphemy to God

Clade X event was May15,2018 and the global Covid plandemic was declared a global on march11,2020 count the number of days between these dates its 666 days , what's this prove? They knew and planned it all. Now do you see how 666 is connected to the corona virus , corona means crown God said let no MAN STEAL YOUR CROWN.

Hello, my understanding is he was cast out before creation of the earth. There's not a lot of evidence to go on, but given that after creation the 'opening scene' in the Bible is the garden of eden with the serpent already there ready to tempt, that suggests that satan already rebelled and was cursed, but was allowed limited to tempt.

when did Satan get throwed out of heaven before the earth existed or after

You need to read the Book of Daniel First. And then have 2 Bibles or sources to reference. In my Studies, and I am certainly not a Scholar. But the Book of Revelations needs to be taken as Literal as Possible. I understand there are symbols and meanings. I got saved in 1996 under My Father in Law's Ministry. He always said this Bible Is so simple a child can understand it. There are no doubt many mysteries in this Book which Man can only guess at. The amazing thing is you could buy 10 commentaries and not one of them would agree much with the other. That's why when Men who think they are so much more educated than me speak. I remember the Foolish confound the wise, and God speaks to me also. Having said all that, line upon Line , Precept upon Precept. You cannot begin to understand or have knowledge of just one Book. You have to Get in the Bible, front to back. And as you read , going forward and backward in Scripture. But God will give you the desires of your Heart . If you lack or desire Wisdom,,, ask God he giveth Liberally. And too often , ,,We have not because we ask not.

Mikey Out. Oooohhhh Yeah!!!!!!!

The revelation describes the mark in the hand or the forehead. Perhaps a genetic code? probably nothing at all, not even a preventive cure. A placebo perhaps, to create the parameters for the future technology. If you know the word of God and what it says, then you know you are in living in the most spectacular of times. You will see things that the prophets of old have spoken of. The power of the Holy Spirit, the revelation fulfilled! The coming of Christ with all his holy Angels!

Many will think they do God service, those who design the technology that bring all these things to pass. Hell, is a real place in eternity, God is clear on these matters of the law, and the forgiveness of sin found in Christ!

The same technology that man uses to prevent his end, will be the same technology that will bring His demise! It is impossible to serve God and man, you will either love one ,or hate the other!

Hey Mel,

The covid vaccine is not the mark of the beast. The way the government is mandating it and people are losing their jobs is scary but it is not the mark. The mark of the beast is said to be diverse things, a literal mark, a computer chip, symbols, and more, but is not a shot in the arm. The mark of the beast will be based on worship.

It will be similar to the Decian persecution in 250 AD, it was a decree ordering that the sacrifices be performed in the presence of a Roman magistrate, it was a signed and witnessed certificate, issued to that effect. A great number of Christians were put to death for refusing to perform the sacrifices, many others apostatized and performed the ceremonies, and others went into hiding. This will not be a piece of paper but a mark on the hand or forehead, but you will know exactly what it is and we will have a choice.

Revelation 13, the second beast/false prophet creates an image of the first beast, and if we are still living will have to worship this image and take the mark or be killed. Like the certificate in 250 A.D. without the mark, you will not be able to buy food, or if you have a business you will not be able to have a license to sell.

The temptation to take this mark will be great, but we have been given a promise in our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ in Revelation 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

Our strength is in our faith in Jesus, God bless,

RLW

Do you think the covid vaccine is the mark of the beast? People are getting fired over it. Can't buy or sell

Wise suggestion. Much appreciated!

That's the right interpretation about the beast. Pray for more understanding.

John

If you are a Christian before you start to study Revelation pray and ask God for his wisdom and understanding of the scriptures ask God for the knowledge of the word and do not rush through the scriptures allow God to brake the scriptures down for you to understand and God will. Jesus told us (in our language) to ask for his wisdom and understanding. As for the beasts there are two the first is the world and the second is a religious organization.

I would say that McGee belongs to the premillennial, futurist camp. Do an online search if you're unfamiliar with the terms premillennialism and futurist. Peace.

Hey John,

Like is said, many people have a plethora of interpretations on Revelation. The word antichrist has developed into a being, along with seven years into a story of fiction. The word antichrist is only in first and second John ( 1 John 2:18,22) (1 John4:3) ( 1John 1:7), if you read, there are billions of antichrists today.

If you read Revelation there is not one, or two, but three, Satan, the beast, and the false prophet. Satan is cast down to earth Revelation 12; this is permanent because no place is left for him in heaven, he gives his seat, authority, and power to the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit. In Revelation 13 this beast comes out of the sea (bottomless pit) ( Revelation 11:7) ( Revelation 17:8). The second beast (false prophet) Makes image and causes those to worship the first beast and take the mark ( Revelation 13:11-18)

I am not familiar with J. Vernon Mcgee so I cannot comment on what he said. Many takes Daniel, Mathew and some of Paul and paint some fantastic picture of end time. If you are studying Revelation read it from front to back 5-10 times with no preconceived ideas in your head before you start to study it.

Many interpretations use scripture and prophecies that have already been fulfilled, pray before you study and let the Holy Spirit lead you. Clear your mind from all the things you have heard and understand that somethings have not been revealed to us as yet. Some things we will not know until they happen.

Walk in the light,

RLW

Thank you for your response.

John, I don't have all the answers, if you put 10 people in a room and asked them anything about the book of Rev. you'll get 10 different answers. I can tell you that in 2 Thess. chapter 2 it talks of; "that man of sin shall be revealed, the son of perdition" vs: 3 (singular) and in vs:8 "shall that Wicked be revealed", meaning one. Hope this helped. God's servant.

I just listened to a lesson by J. Vernon Mcgee that seems to imply there will be two antichrists during the seven-year tribulation. The first beast will "rise up out of the sea" in verse one indicating that he is a political leader rising out of the great masses of humankind.

Verse eleven says "and I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth." Mcgee says the second beast "rising out of the earth" is a religious Anti-Christ rising out of Israel because the earth is symbolic for Israel.

I know there have been several schools of thought with regard to the interpretation revelation. Which one does his interpretation fit into and why?

Prayer helps us to convey to God all the positive, negative and challenging situations and feelings that arise in our lives. In fact, it's through prayer that we can thank him and ask him for help or solutions to difficult problems.

However, identifying God's guidance, help or comfort is more difficult than just bowing our heads and praying. This is partly because God uses many different means to contact us - he may reach us through another person, a scripture. He always confirms His Word.

1. Even if you don't think your repeating dreams are important, they often leave lingering feelings in your heart. Don't ignore these feelings. Instead, analyze them. Write down those feelings and descriptions of the dreams in a journal. After some time, search through your journal and see if you can find a common phrase, person or image that give you an answer to a recent (or maybe a future) prayer.

2. Remember: with God, there are no coincidences. Don't hesitate to record dreams and analyze them for spiritual messages. The world is full of symbols. There are many that you probably don't recognize, but if you look carefully, they have always been there. God often uses symbolism to give you the answers you seek. That's why you need to write down even the most insignificant part of your dreams, because the one part could be the key to unlocking what the dream means and what God is trying to tell you.

3. On more than one occasion, your dreams can reveal some important messages that, due to lack of attention or disbelief, you don't notice. It may be that given the simplicity or clarity of the message, it's considered unimportant.

4. However, you should never underestimate that advice since God might have been using your dream as a way to answer a question you asked. While it's true that not all dreams are a solution or response to your challenges, many of them can be a source of comfort and/or strength during a difficult time in your life.

Hi Mark A. Hester When it comes to things of God be it dreams, information, prophecies, any spiritual manifestations people talk about I.E. the spirit. First does it Glorify the True God Second does line up with scripture. Third is it all profitable. Fourth no confusion in it. Fifth is everything in order. Also God doesn't give info just to waste time he expects whatevers given to be carried out, the other side of that coin is he doesn't give it to people he knows won't carry it out. Also remember the bible is written revelation. A woman told me one time God told her to go 50 miles per hour in a 25 speed zone and she Got stopped for speeding. I said to Her why would God tell you to break the laws of the land and why would he let you get a speeding ticket and she was late for her meeting anyway. What's worse the officer ask her why she was speeding and she told him God told her too. You got to wonder what the officer thought. Prayerfully this helps. In His Service

I have a question. I wanted to know what the Bible says about dreams and the connection dreams can have with prophecy and future events. The reason I'm asking is because a few years back I woke out of my dreams and wrote down some things I know that only God could have known about me and my future. I believe for a fact that what I wrote down is solid evidence of an all knowing God. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Sincerely, Mark H

Dianne, and GRACE_ambassador {ChrisE}

I can see where you and GRACE_ambassador {ChrisE} are coming from but to be tried by fire we as Christians must go through some of this tribulation coming up that means we must face some of the one world order to see who will stand for God. We as Christians was had it ease we haven't had to face what the apostles faced yet, I believe that is to come because we as Christians must come out as pure as Gold. Matthew 24: 15 is being practice in Jerusalem today waiting on the temple to be completed. On the other-hand you can look for Biden the U.S. president to issue an order that all Americans must be vaccinated in about two years are less. Because this is the first step to the one world order. Thank you for your input/comments and God Bless you both. Stay prayed up and ready to go up

Cowboy

Cowboy I don't view this as sorry or not either it is written or not, I will not deny that in our day and time there things occurring that are in preparation for that time. That being said I believe according to Gods word that the Christians Church of God is the only the only thing stopping the adversary from really cutting loose. Now when the church is taken up nothing will prevent the [ new world order ] from coming into full power.

Precious Cowboy, no need to be sorry, thanks for stating your view. According To The Scriptures, The Age Of God's GRACE Has NOT Ended yet, With God removing ALL of HIS "ambassadors" ( 2 Corinthians 5:20) To Heaven, BEFORE Declaring War/Judgment/Wrath on an UNbelieving world. The Body Of CHRIST has Already had almost 2000 years of tribulation, but will BE COMFORTED At The Great GRACE Departure To Glory ( 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18). Amen? HIS Gospel Of GRACE Will End so that the Everlasting gospel of the kingdom can be preached during the "Time Of Jacob's {ISRAEL's} TROUBLE":

Which Gospel Makes Way For Which Gospel?

In The Revelation Of The MYSTERY, Paul preached The Gospel of GRACE, Which Is:

JESUS CHRIST, The SON Of God, Freely Gave HIS Life As A Sacrifice For our sins. HE Was Crucified, Buried, And Rose From the dead on the third day! ( 1 Corinthians 15:3-4). Paul wrote in ( Galatians 1:8) that if anyone, Including "AN ANGEL FROM HEAVEN, ... preach any Other gospel unto you than That Which we have preached unto you, let him Be ACCURSED!" Thus we know that this present predominantly Gentile church Must Be Removed {PRE-TOJT} to Allow the worldwide preaching of the gospel of the kingdom that Paul did Not preach to us...

Rightly Divided ( 2 Timothy 2:15) From "Things That DIFFER!":

...Making Way For HIS [Everlasting] gospel of the kingdom!:

JESUS Said in ( Matthew 24:14) "And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come." The gospel of the kingdom was "... Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand!" ( Matthew 4:17).

When The MYSTERY Ends, And, God Resumes HIS Prophetic Program, The Everlasting gospel of the kingdom Will be preached by 144,000 "sealed" Jews, TWO powerful witnesses, AND, by an angel ( Revelation 14:6)

Conclusion: How can The Body Of CHRIST "enter Into JACOB's Trouble, with The Gospel Of GRACE," And, this angel NOT "be ACCURSED, preaching a DIFFERENT Gospel"? Amen?

Cowboy One other point we are saved by Jesus Christ from the wrath to come have already been judged and been made righteous by God through his Son. We are no longer judged for our mistakes we will be rewarded for our works based on Gods word than we will stand at the bema for our rewards our sin is no longer looked at.Revelation is about the final Judgement of Jesus Christ against all unbelief it can't be us because we believe!

Cowboy In thessalonians Jesus Christ is coming back for His Church the Body of Christ the saints in the age of Grace which has not transpired yet we are still in the age of Grace i.e. Church of God in the book of Revelation we come back with Jesus Christ to Kick the enemies rear so to speak. Its your privilege to believe what you believe now that being said I do see things occuring to set up Whats called the new world order. I believe the only thing that is stopping all hell from breaking loose so to speak are the believers standing on the Word. Once were gathered together it won't be pretty, Jesus Christ it will be worse than the days of sodom and gomorrah that I can't imagine and don't want to. God Bless

I'm sorry to say Dianne that the beast is in operation today. In Revelation 13: 7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: (the Christians will be here when the beast comes into total affect) and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. - And power was given to the beast; that means all 7 continents of the world gave up their power to the beast. The beast is a one world order, all currency will go through the beast. The chip that will be in the right hand are the forehead will tell the merchants how much currency you have and if you can buy, sell, are trade. There will be no money flowing around. And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, (if you want to buy sell are trade you will agree to his terms) whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Eluid you are looking at Revelation 13 with the carnal mind, Revelation 13: 1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea,(The sea represents the people of the world) and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, ( the beast was built by the people of the world) having seven heads (the seven heads represents the seven continents of the world) and ten horns, (the ten horns represents ten kings are ten presidents are someone over a nation) and upon his horns ten crowns, (these are people under the person over a nation) and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. This is a one world order that is run by the beast (a computer) the chips are to keep track of the people and to keep the people in order by fear because they will be able to kill a person that has the chip by entering the chip number and hitting delete, by doing so, killing the body. This is a one world order action.

Hi Glenn Thats what I said whats coming thats what thessalonians says. God Bless

Glenn the question was is the beast in revelation here now I said no 2 Thessalonians 8+9 says who's coming I believe that is talking about The appearing or the Book of revelation especially verse 8. That's what my understanding is. God Bless

Glenn Good point thanks. God Bless

Barry Revelation is whats to come it is not happening now it will not happen till a while after the body of Christ is gathered together. That is all I've studied on the subject matter, the book of revelation has a lot of figurative language in it. It is perhaps the most written about book in the entire bible.