Revelation Chapter 14 Discussion Page 6

Word; we both know, that every one of those who clings to the teaching of a pre-tribulation rapture, does so out of a misplaced loyalty, and not because they have actually found it by the Spirit's inspiration of the Scriptures. "As it was in the days of Lot and Noah" infers a thought that all things will go on indefinitely as they always have; while willfully blind to the sin destroying the world.

Scripture says the saints, the election will be delivered up to death but scripture says also that not one hair on their heads will be harmed. Satan comes as the vile one in peace to deceive the whole world and in his performance with his powers the world will believe his claims that he is God so why do I say the truth so all of you who love the Lord will be prepared. 7 years was cut to 5 months.

Word; Nimrod also was a legendary Horseman, Conqueror, Archer; and "given a crown and great authority;" the original heathen antichrist! I see it as a spirit gone out into the world; both as the beginning and the thing aimed at, out of which all the succeeding and underlying seals have their place. And that the fifth seal shows the slaughter of the Saints; that's what is underneath all the rest.

Disciple; Rider and conquest as Satan kicked out of heaven to deceive the whole world. Think about that statement of deception.Satan appears on a white horse,sound familiar,Satan has a bow but not a bow for arrows it's a bow, a deception of the rainbow spoken of in Rev 4 surrounding the throne of the living God. So white horse,bow,fake crown kicked out to deceive claiming to be God, deception.

Word (cont.); The way I read Revelation 6, the First Seal discloses an appearance of a conqueror, a hunter of souls, a man of war, GIVEN a seat and authority, and a commission from God to subdue all. Under each succeeding seal then is both the underlying evil as well as the result in the spirit; through the four men of war, to the slaughter of the Saints, culminating in the great Day of the LORD.

Word; Right you are; but the things that are now, have ever been, and there was never a break in the line from generation to generation; and the nature and sins of the world then is still at work in men now; and the words of Isaiah are still applicable and in action. It is a mistake to say that any prophecy of that kind was done in Israel and no longer in effect with following similar generations.

Disciple the importance of Isaiah 28 is the fact that because of there idol worship the Isrealites were going into captivity and for us to remember that fact, don't play with other gods because Satan is coming at the 6th trumpet as a false messiah to deceive the whole world. I think God was speaking to the Isrealites that were turning into heathens for our benefit so we would understand.

Word; Yes, "the disobedient children go into captivity" is a part of the word here, but there is so much more that goes with it, which is for OUR LEARNING upon whom the end of the age is come. It is strongly advised that we DO NOT first run to the writings of Commentators, but to the LORD and ask Him to give us understanding, and then get quiet and wait. How else are we going to learn? 1 John 2:27

Disciple Isaiah 28 speaking of the whole House of Isreal going into captivity because of idolatry and then speaks of the whole House of Judah and theirs. God does give us wisdom on how to learn the truth and that's to read the scriptures line by line or in other words start at the very beginning chapter by chapter and read the Book. I'll check The Companion Bible and Moffet for more info. Word

Dear Word; Isaiah 28 describes conditions with many who are really supposed to be God's people, but not all who are once saved will continue faithful unto the end; and the sword of division cuts according to the divisions that men make in their hearts over the Word, and the work of the Spirit to sanctify and transform our minds through the Word. "Whom shall he teach knowledge?" means He looks for.

Disciple yes we should read Psalms 119 and study more on the scriptures and listen to you on your way to becoming a great preacher for as you have wrote your knowledge is more in understanding than me and Paul but we are trying so hard to catch up anyway in the end we will all learn who the truth was revealed to. I myself will only listen to what is my Father's voice before me from the scriptures.

Paul remember the 1st Commandment, not to have any other God, remember that when Satan comes as the false messiah and the world chases after him. Store food and pay your bills up for 3 months and stay home and study and pray. Wait and listen to the elect delivered up when the Holy Spirit speaks through them. When the two witnesses are kill so that all can see 3 days later 7th trump Christ returns.

Paul and Word; interpreting prophecies and understanding mysteries in Scripture is given by the Spirit of Truth; and never through human methodologies or invention. Scripture is not written in secret code, and religion is not superstition. There are many prayers in Psalm 119, specifically on how to ask for understanding. All may come and receive this from Him who have a good AND AN HONEST HEART.

The three angels message is Justification by faith, invariably.

Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
{ Revelation 14:12}

Typeology for the 3 angels message is found in Daniel, chapters 1-6.

Grace and peace be with you.

Satan comes at the 6h trump, the 6th vial and the 6th seal. The 7th trump will be the Warrior with hail stones and fire. You won't be expecting Him because the world will be so happy in their peace, false peace because there is no true peace without the Prince of Peace but up to the time of the war of the 7th trump, at the gathering place where Satan and his bunch have gathered that's the end.

Walter; actually it very much IS literal! While the ungodly are going deeper and deeper into darkness and deceit, and they are breaking all the bonds and casting away all the cords; God has already judged them, and so removes His restraint from before them. We seek to walk in Truth and a good conscience following our dear Saviour Jesus: for this we are persecuted and MUST BE PATIENT while we wait!

The patient of the saint is a hidden mystery from u all if God wanted u to know the mystery he would let u know so maybe you should look inside yourself and strengthen your walk . I will too it isn't literal all is spiritual... Hint

Verse 6 shows that angels have an interest and are involved in the preaching of the good news.

word: that is the 5th Trump out of 7. ( 5 months of torment, then The 6th Trump,then the Last Trump. All The Trumps take a lot longer then 5 Months. The Locusts tormented the lost.

When God says that He shortened the time for the elect sake in the Gospels and you read in Rev. 9 that the locust will be here with their king for 5 months, and He says it twice, 5 months I got a good idea it's 5 months.

Still on that 5 months thing that is a complete non-fitting fairly tale. All that is covered in 9. This is 14 and about the 3 angels messages. They tell the punishment for association with the MARK. Rome says their MARK is Sunday. God's seal is in the 4th commandment. The God made Sabbath, not man's. The persecution will come when a Sunday law is made like they HAD in Europe and are doing again

I think Dejan may be right.

Read chapter 9 they will be here 5 months and they have their king, their rock,their instead of Christ, antichrist. This is the book of the revealing, to take off the cover,to in lightening, to make known to the things that will come to pass and little Titus ransacking Jerusalem isn't nothing compared to the Great day of the Lord when Christ flattens Jerusalem and Rome has nothing to do with it.

Where does this 5mos thing come from? Even thinking that the 3 1/2 year period is shortened to it does not fit. Thinking along the lines that are being thought is exactly what the beast is trying to do, thinking it's all future and not now. It's another deception of Rome. You can't be sealed unless you know the truth. Keep commandments of God and LEARN what testimony of Jesus is, Rev 19:10 prophecy

The seals to be sealed with in your mind are in Revelation chapter 6. Christ has foretold us all things from the beginning. Noah's flood of waters 5 months the flood of lies from Satan and his bunch will have a 5 month period. Satans sword his mouth that deceives with lies. Rev. 9 tells us of a 5 month period Satans soft spoken breastplate priest that will rip soul away and their leader 5 months

All happens in Jerusalem when antichrist is there it is Babylon because it's city of confusion called Babylon

God's seal is just like any seal. It has His name, His title and His jurisdiction. Rome claims Sunday is her MARK of ecclesiastical authority. The 4th commandment says: The Lord(Jehovah in Heb,NAME),your God(title),who made the heavens and the earth(jurisdiction) in 6 days and rested on the 7th, not the 1st, like Rome claims. Rome is what we are told to :come out of her my people! She has daughtrz

Vs 9 if any man worshipped antichrist instead of Christ and wasn't sealed in their brain with the truth and was deceived and worked meaning buy or sale working in antichrist one world system with your hands and that's the mark is not have being warned by reading the word of God or no one told you the warning so you never received it and a mark in your hand is working in his system supporting him.

colossians 24.And this I say, lest any man should beguile you with enticing words.

5 For though I be absent in the flesh, yet am I with you in the spirit, joying and beholding your order, and the stedfastness of your faith in Christ.

6 As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him:

some one asked me once "do you belong to a church or religious denomination" i said no,, i belong to my father which is in heaven..And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

33 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else