Revelation Chapter 16 Discussion Page 2

Yes me ethier thats not right:)

Yes thats Right Amen!!

I dont need to vote i got Jesus if you need a president thats u but im not voteing for nobody but Jesus.

It definitely makes NO sense to me- *abstinence* aught to be taught to our youth in public schools and instead of having a gay "pride" club to confuse the young teenagers about their own perceived sexuality...and giving away free condoms like a perceived license to fornicate and commit adultery. What these young people don't understand until later on in life is that sinning against your own body has consequences, it's so sad. May God lead these young people onto the straight and narrow path that leads to eternal life with JESUS, instead of the wide path that many walk on which ultimately leadeth to destruction..

No matter what, I know God is Good, and his will will be done on earth as in heaven in Jesus name.

Hi Ronald, thank you for your comment & when I saw your quote, Galatians 2:20, I remembered that that was my key verse when sharing my testimony at a Nazarene Church while serving with a Christian Mission in Dewsbury, U.K. So that came as a precious reminder & one to reflect upon. And you're quite right, I think most of us contributing on this Site, won't take personal credit for what we share, as we write what we understand from God's Holy Word & being led of His Spirit. I realize that others could say the same, yet interpret the Word quite differently, which of course gives different points of view for others to consider. However, we come, I trust, with a real sense of brotherly unity in diversity because of our 'common' faith. We could never claim to be the repository of Truth, but to declare what the Word says with the Light we've received.

No, I'm not a pastor - just a lowly child of the King, ever amazed as to "why, unworthy as I am, (God) claimed me for His own". (From the hymn, "I know not why God's wondrous Grace"). I live in Perth, Australia, having experienced a mighty conviction & moving of the Spirit in October 1979 whilst in my quarters in the Air Force in Canberra. My life of unbridled sin was brought before me, receiving a special piercing visit by God's Spirit that brought me to my knees in tears. And in a moment those tears turned to joy as His confirmation & peace filled me, so if anyone should've entered the room, I would have been deemed a ripe candidate for urgent psychological help.

I have shared many Bible studies over the years, particularly during my time in Pakistan & India, but now am retired in Perth, the city my family moved to from India 54 years ago. Anyway, that's a quick brief to give you some background but to also acknowledge the great value of the many others who also share here, of what the Lord has revealed to them in their studies in the Word.

Hi Randall, looks like you were able to post just fine. Most comments more than 1 month old can't be replied to (locked) to encourage people to start a new thread. It works out better that way. God bless you!

Why is the comment locked? The red letter in the KJV bible is the truth. To suggest Jesus would have his disciples slaughtered with no defense is wrong. He blinded Saul on the road to Damascus to protect his flock. People must be able to defend themselves against evil. He literally meant they must defend themselves and their families against the demonic powers that exist on the Earth. Jesus never bowed the knee to any king or devil on the Earth. Christians must follow his Divine teaching and warnings. For the days are indeed evil. Anyone that believes Jesus was a non-violent advocate like Martin Luther King do not believe his prophecy. I will follow the Nazarene no matter what "scholars" say to twist his word. Antichrist is still here as in the time of Jesus. The carpenter was no weakling trying to compromise good and evil. He stood firm and we must also.

These are actual 7 steps of a Jewish wedding.

1. First, the Jewish groom barters with the father of the bride. They get together and they go back-and-forth, and barter as to what the deal is going to be.

2. Once they reach an agreement, the future bride is brought in. And if she approves of it, all three of them drink out of the covenant cup, which means from that time forward they are betrothed.

3. The groom goes back to his father's house to build their living quarters. It is built right off of the family home. And once the wedding takes place, and they are now married, they will go back to his family's home, and there will be living quarters that will be for them.

4. The father of the groom decides when the living quarters are done, and when he can go get his bride. What does that tell us? We don't know the time or the hour. It has to be a minimum of one year because it is a time of purity for her. The groom can go get his bride when his father decides it's time.

5. When the marriage announcement is made, catch this: the people who have already been invited to the wedding feast, they take their positions along the parade route, because the groom is going to get his bride. And there are people stationed in position all the way along the route. They join the parade as it passes by. It is called a parade.

6. When the groom reaches the bride's house, he stands at a distance and blows the shofar, the trumpet, for the bride to come out and meet him. And the wedding takes place at that time. Do you see anything in there about prophecy? The groom comes to get his bride, and he stands a ways off and blows the trumpet, and she comes out to meet him.

7. The parade goes back to the groom's house and the wedding feast begins. All of the guests in the parade gather in the Fellowship Hall, and the door is shut. This is not an open public thing.

Compare this to prophecy in Matthew Chapter 25

Be looking for our Bridegroom!

Mishael

Hi Rob,

I'm wondering what your motive is for coming to a Bible website and accusing Christians who believe the trinity of being under a "curse"- something that most Christians believe in. Is that how you lovingly are looking to exchange information about the Bible to edify each other or are just looking to start a quarrel and do the opposite? Romans 14:19, Ephesians 4:32, Ephesians 4:29.

The reason people believe that God the Father, Jesus the Son, and the Holy Spirit (Ghost) are one is that it literally says that in the Bible in 1 John 5:7 and elsewhere: Link

Do you think this is a salvation issue where someone may go to hell for believing the Bible verses such as 1 John 5:7 or why else are you so strong to condemn Bible believing Christians? What if someone accused you of what you're accusing others- that you yourself are spreading a "heinous doctrine" and are under a "curse," how would that make you feel and would it be true?

Many people where murdered in the past for not adhering to the trinity doctrine , which proves it's not at all from God if you have a rational mind .

So in supporting this heinous doctrine you are under the Gods curse of it .

To Chris: I have been reading discussion on here for about 3 months. I have always looked for your comments as they are so insightful and biblical! Are you a pastor? And what part of the country do you live in? I know you will just pass my comments of praise for you to our Father! Blessings Galatians 2 : 20

Adam please read the testimony of 1john1 again, Then read my exhortation ................

The discussion was not concerning Sin but JOY! I perceive the person to be young in the Lord; comparing their Joy to someone else.Not realizing the spirit now that he /she is born again is now in the process of renewing their mind; being renewed as the milk of the word is received ;Sanctify them through thy truth:thy word is truth St. John 17;17

As a sinner, nothing we could have done or didnt do would have made us worthy in the sight of God except what the testimony stated,I have

confessed and I believe I've been forgiven. The scripture says, Grow in grace and knowledge of our Lord and savior Jesus Christ! I guarantee His full joy will come...Dont compare, what he has for you, is for You. i AGREE we must have a spiritual walk.but, We naturally or Spiritually cant walk at Birth. The devil is the accuser to reminds you of Past sins But God threw then in the sea of his forgetfulness...Praise

Almighty God....To answer your question about your conscious I dont know when But I do know He keeps His Word. He did it for me and everyone

he delivers from sin and shame. The scriptues even states some of our past life 1st corinth.6:9-11vrs.

We thank our Father, God, for The Gift...Jesus and everthing we need for life and godliness flows out of Him Joy is included..You dont realllly know

what you got inside. 1john1 Love yaa with the love of the lord...you are on my prayer list now.. I dont care what else he gives you Salvation is the ultimate thing to praise him and be joyfull or full of Joy about Adam you also join us in our prayer and praise for 1john1 also pray for me.

Sis Jackie

I'm praying you may find Gods mercy , I'm so blessed now in the Lord and He wants all men to come to repentance. We all make mistakes so let's just be honest to God . Confess our errors and forsake the false gods .

Again....accusations.

Let's see some solid Scriptures on the fake rapture ! I will wait !

You sound really nasty !

At least I don't deceive people with fake doctrine!

Let's see some solid Scriptures! I will wait .

Your comments are not surprising to me or concern me . Jesus is Lord ! Born of God in the flesh died , rose again , ascended to heaven coming in glory . Not a fake rapture .

Not a trinity god of mans making . Repent while you can Jesus is not God , but the Son of God ! I'm very happy in the Lord and know him ! Maybe some day you will ! God bless !

You don't comment. You allege, accuse, and confuse baby Christians. You know what you're doing; that's the tragedy.

I don't see the love of Jesus Christ in you.

You are spot on brother!

Comment by Allen on Genesis 9:24 concerning Noah and the curse on Canaan is the first and only comment I have ever seen of MANY other attempts to explain this verse, which seems correct to me. I ALWAYS had assumed that Noah's YOUNGER SON was meaning the same thing as YOUNGER GRANDSON since that is who he cursed, Canaan, the younger of Ham's four sons. Also, if Noah would have been talking about Ham it would have simply read SON instead of "younger son" which also would not fit well due to the fact that Ham was the middle son, NOT the younger son. And finally, we learn that it was AFTER all the covering up had occurred that Noah awoke, so he did not even know that Ham had done anything wrong. It never says anywhere that Ham DID anything wrong. He could have glanced and then immediately turned away and went to tell his brothers to figure out what to do and the other two brothers had a good idea. No harm. BUT... when Noah awoke, he KNEW what had been done to him. That is key. Surely, we can assume that if he knew WHAT had been done to him, then by the assignment of the curse, he also seemed to know WHO did that to him... whatever it was. I also liked the comparison Allen made that JESUS is called the son of David, when actually he was the grandson of David. Language was a bit different back then. And any stories about the "sin of Ham" are a lazy reader's myth. So when Noah woke up, he knew what had happened and assigned the punishment to the guilty one, Canaan... period.

Does anyone know where the Pretrib Rapture is in the Bible ?

I can not find it , I only find the 1st resurrection and the coming of Christ our hope on the last day . As Jesus said .

I was taught it and believed it until I read the Bible for myself ! And low and behold it's not there in word or event , unless you can twist scriptures out of context , but then we could have 300 denominations if that was done .

Cathy (& Karcelia) you're both so right. When the foundation is weak & not in prepared soil, the building will crack & collapse.

Most without the love of God in their hearts, have as their foundation the welfare & happiness of the mother rather than the embryo or unborn child. Why? The embryo is only that, an embryo - even though there may be life there, it is still something less than human, they say. The welfare of the mother is more important as her usefulness is greater to her family & society.

Those who love the Lord & know His Will, regard every human life in every stage of its development, as special & precious & to destroy that life is murder & so the destroyer stands before the God Who gave life & a life's Plan to that child. In our quest to enjoy life in both intimate & non-intimate environments, we pay little heed to the outcomes of our thoughts & actions. And so the verse seems most applicable: "every man did that which was right in his own eyes" ( Judges 17:6). It was no longer what God required of them & us but what we deem as correct & warranted based on our desires - and as you said, this folly is increasing in greater measure in the world around us.

To abort a child prior to 20-22 weeks as acceptable, is still murder. Will any government propose that it should be when both sperm & ovum unite is when life is created? Unfortunately, most don't accept that life commences before that point, even though it is clearly seen in the laboratory. Is the embryo then likened to an ant which we could step on & extinguish, giving it little further thought? How will mankind stand before God in that day? What excuse will he give or can he give? God's Righteousness will blow open the inherent wickedness deep within his heart & manifest all that has been covered over for the sake of happiness & expediency.

The LORD is high above all nations, and his glory above the heavens.

Who is like unto the LORD our God, who dwelleth on high,

Who humbleth himself to behold the things that are in heaven, and in the earth!

He raiseth up the poor out of the dust, and lifteth the needy out of the dunghill;

That he may set him with princes, even with the princes of his people.

He maketh the barren woman to keep house, and to be a joyful mother of children. Praise ye the LORD. ( Psalm 113:4-9)

I am also in my seventies, and I agree with you. People are twisting the words in the Bible to make them mean what they wish them to mean. I have lived through some tough times, but I have never seen evil coming against families and good people in general as what is happening now. My mother always taught us that we are to pray without ceasing, and we surely need to do so.

What does Mathew 24:20 mean about flight in the winter and on Sabbath?

James 1:9? Did you read Revelation before making a comment?

To Learn Love, is to keep our Fathers Words. We meditate on His Kingdom in Spirit and truth and we seek His Righteousness before anything else. We Lift up our Lord Jesus and He draws all men unto Him. No man knows the hour of our Lord and indeed He comes like a theif in the night. When our Father reveals his Love as 1cornthians 13 says , You shall know and be known. Behold Jesus becomes Faith! , because faith is the evidence of things not seen...but now we see clearly ! It is no longer a dark glass but it it face to face! This is being entered into our Gods Kingdom, when the Father, the Son and His Spirit make their abode within you. May we seek JESUS JESUS JESUS , There is nothing too hard for our God

regarding abortion--I too--am against it--but I have friends whose views are totally different--just yesterday, my neighbor & I were discussing this--she said she was for abortion--she knew two young girls whose lives would have ben ruined if they had not had an abortion. I questioned her--I said--how do you know that? So many times we let our emotions rule against God's Word. I just hit 70--and I have watched the racial injustice increase--the lifestyles decrease--it seems like we are on a watered down path--anything goes--as long as it feels right to you.

Alex comments about the trinity ( the Kingdom ) sit thou at my right hand etc. Jesus said these things are HID from the wise and prudent but revealed unto BABES th babes and the sucklings he mentions are his Children th GRANSONS that come out of his seed the word his breath etc his breath was his word his seed etc ya remember he said the good seed are the CHILDREN OF THE kINGDOM which are HIS Children,Behold me and the CHILDREN the LORD has given me are they not for signs and wonders to Israel. Thus you cannot understand the Godhead the trinity without the Child which is the H.G. the Child of PROMISE THE GRANSON the Israel of God ( THE ISRAEL THAT COMES OUT OF Christ seed ) Ya gotta realize that CHRIST sows a much greater seed then Abraham,But if we be in CHRIST WE ARE ABRAHAMS/GODS SEED ETC.Now are we the sons of God etc. Ya gotta realize that the abrahamic trinity is beautiful picture of the heavenly trinity, Just as Abraham offered up Isaac God Almighty offered up Christ JESUS,that ram caught in the thicket by his Horns was Christ and his crown of thorns,When they saw that crown of thorns on his head they remembered the ram caught in the thicket by his horns thats y keep saying the Abrahamic trinity was just a picture of the heavenly trinity. Abraham issac and Jacob answers to the FATHER SON AND THE H.G thats y ISAIAH mentions a heavenly Jacob so many times, not ABRAHAM OR ISSAC BUT JUST Jacob, the sun nor the moon nor any heat will lite on him simply he is spirit the H.G. an Israel of God. ok lemme go