Revelation Chapter 16 Discussion Page 3

When I was 12 yrs old, we heard of girls that got pregnant out of wedlock; and either went to a relatives house to have the child and let it be adopted.

Or, women went to un-wed mothers homes to give birth and release the baby to be adopted.

Enter the 60's and free, unrestrained sexual sin. It was like living amongst rabbits on LSD. Grandparents had to raise their grandchildren.

A decade later, abortion was legalized and the unwed mothers homes disappeared.

Homosexuals came out of the closet

Another decade, AIDS appeared and was declared a pandemic by the CDC, but didn't do anything about it.

Following decade lesbians decided to live reckless and large too.

2000's, they all want to be families with children.

Now, they all demand to live married and force society to accept their standards in public schools.

I've seen all this happen. Christians need to hang out in their state legislatures and scream for CHOICE to put their children in Christian schools!!

We have to live here until Jesus comes to get us. It's up to us to protect our rights too. I'm even favorable to home schooling.

Our kids can grow up more intelligent because they will not be slammed in their emotional life with the loose morals of an evil generation that has Declared WAR on children (all ages).

Now the sex traffickers are kidnapping Christian children and teens. How many will just disappear on Halloween this weekend? Will we even see those stories on evening news?

We are to GO YE to the world in our cities; our neighborhoods. Take the gospel to them. Don't let the world preach "their gospel of death, despair and sexual depravity, into our homes.

We have to teach the Bible to our kids age 3 and up. There is no reason to let them watch secular tv as a babysitter! Drop Netflix and get PureFlix !!!

Stop Compromising! Half Christian and half ?? We spend big bucks on MEDIA. It's the gospel of SATAN. Why are we so weak?

Be strong. Get wisdom. Be fearless.

The days of statesmen leaders are long gone: you know the days way back in political history, when a few men governed by their consciences, in the fear of God & instilling righteousness in society. Nowadays, political muscle & job security take precedence over doing what is right & so governments give support to the majority voice & just enough bait to the minority to keep them happy. In my mind, any imbecile could do that work - it doesn't take any skill to work with the numbers. But it would take one of character (both as an individual & party) to go against the tide of people's demands & act upon proper moral & ethical values & for the general good of all: those still in the womb & in the world. But the fact is that such a party would never get in, as the evil one has his say & sway in the hearts of the unregenerate & degenerate.

Yet, even with such a bleak outlook for the future, we know that God will still have His final Word & that even through our wonder & despondency, He still uses such governments to fulfil His Plans. 2 Kings 14:26-27 reminds us that even with wicked Jeroboam, God could use him to bring Israel out of her bitter affliction - that all things are possible with God. We should pray for those in government ( 1 Timothy 2:1-3) & be as those who that stand in the gap, interceding for them who have not God's love & power in their lives ( Ezekiel 22:30).

What I don't understand about the pro-death argument is how a Christian can justify the mass-murder of babies when there's clear Bible verses that an unborn baby is sacred and made in God's image.

My only guess as to this position is thinking of special cases of rape or incest. But adoption is still the best alternative in any case if a mother doesn't want to be one. Barren moms and dads can pay thousands of dollars and wait many years to adopt, because other moms would rather kill their baby than let he/she have a loving adoptive family to raised in.

It doesn't make sense how it's illegal to kill an unborn animal like an eagle egg or many other animals or harming plants too, but it's legal to kill an unborn human and the government will even help you pay for it. Does that make sense to anyone?

I do not support abortion, nor any act that inflict pain and suffering on God's creation, that includes animals .

Just Live your conscience, and participate in our Country's process to make those views public and Heard.

I was confronted today by a 20yr old telling me, a 60++ yr old, that she had just voted the first time. Then she sorta ranted about how all the 20 somethings we're casting ballots to replace what we have. Whoopee. I think some of that "hate" is directed against Godly people too. I told her I was a Christian and believed in issues; not solidarity.

I just listened, sadly. These are the same people who will take Antichrists Mark, to prove they will not be controlled by God anymore.

Parents, do explain how the system works. We pick the leader who follows Gods principals.... in a perfect world.

Last night I looked up cultures who sacrifice children, and it's a sad sad thing to know Moloch still lives in hearts.

Your questions do come at a very appropriate time, particularly as we see so much of what God's Word speaking of sins & wrongs we commit, being treated as normal, acceptable behaviour in society. And yes, wherever possible Christians should speak out against abortion, homosexuality, easy pardon for criminals (being let out into society to inflict more pain & death on innocent people), and many more.

If the world doesn't hear our objections to these wicked acts of men, then they will have nothing to alert them or deter them from their wicked course. Most likely our stand will 'fall on deaf ears', but as the prophets of old had to declare God's warnings, so should we make His Word & Will known wherever & whenever we can. See Ezekiel 3:17-21 for the heavy burden that was upon Ezekiel to warn the people & the consequences that came to him if he did not do so. Some use placards on streets or in front of abortion clinics, or through articles in media or advertisements, or just in conversation when the subject comes up. Our witness for righteousness must be clear even if it means that our words are considered as foolish & against society's wishes. Our words, lives & actions will never resemble the world's, nor should they ever come close - we are children of God & not of the World.

Yes, it would be wrong to vote for leaders who support abortion, homosexuality, & a host of other evils, but one has to decide whether the fitness of that leader or the party he/she represents is also worthy of your vote. This is a very difficult decision to make especially for believers, especially in light of the upcoming U.S. elections, with some Christians refusing to vote on those grounds or even opting to support a Christian party, even these often don't fall in line with God's requirements, especially in this area of abortion.

I hope you get some other useful thoughts on this important subject.

It is very wrong to abortion a baby. This means that you are telling God, "God, I don't want this precious child you have allowed to give me. No thanks." The Bible says that children are a blessing and gift from God. I would encourage every parent who thinks of doing abortion to NOT do it. You will not only regret it, but it will forever change your life. Don't do it.

How vocal should Christians be in condemning abortion? Is it wrong to support and vote for leaders who promote abortion? What can Christians to do be a light to the world on this issue?

Hello Larry,

Just to maybe help with your question of why some say Holy "Spirit" instead of Holy Ghost. As many of the versions of the Bible now say "Holy Spirit" instead of "Holy Ghost". Out of twenty nine versions it seems only four have kept "Ghost" for "Holy Ghost". To me it really makes no difference as the meaning of the word is basically the same. The original Greek word used is "pneuma". Transliterated from Greek. The definition of the word can be "a breadth of air or breeze" or "figuratively a spirit". The KJV Bible has this word "pneuma", in the New Testament, used 386 times. They use "Ghost" 92 times and "Spirit" 289 times. Used only a couple times for "wind". As most of the versions of the Bible have put "Spirit" in place of "Ghost".

Hopefully that helps a little bit on your question. Saying "Holy Ghost" or "Holy Spirit" is really the same. God Bless.

The book of Zechariah in the Old Testament is prophecy of the time when The lord restores Jerusalem and Judah and punnishes evil doers .

Chapter 9 to the end of the book .

Yes at the second coming , but many will not survive , only a remnant will be restored at that time . Until then Israel is in disobedience. Although individual Jews can be saved .

When will Israel be forgiven at the second event

Please explain

They can't see your heart. If they could, they would see Jesus there and flee away.

If you are saved, you are a daughter of God and of Christ.

Sons of God.

Most Jews and others worship on Sabbath which is Saturday. Myself and most christians wor0ship on a Sunday. ( The Lords day.) Jesus rose on a Sunday is the reason we worship on a Sunday.

No. I'm not cutting my hand off or taking the mark.

Lord no.

I don't know. But I would think that God would give them every possible chance. It will be very tempting not to take the mark knowing that you could'nt buy or sell without it. You would starve to death.

If you believe and do what is in John Chapter 3. Then, YOU MUST follow Jesus Christ.

If we plan on going to heaven, we first need to learn about WHO we are following. We're going to be living with Him. It makes sense to fully investigate. We do that by reading the Gospel books: Matthew, Mark, Luke, John. See what Jesus says, what he does;

What he likes, loves, mercy, justice, good will towards simple people like you and me.

Dislikes: hypocrites, Nicolaitans like Pharisees that are soft on sin and enforce obedience to their rules, not Gods.

We have to read the Bible which means, every day. Pray and ask Him to bless your food and all that concerns you. Learn to become sensitive to times when satan is sniffing around for ways to tempt you. Jesus told him "get thee behind me! You shall not tempt the Lord your God!"

Satan is going to hell, so let's steer clear of him.

Jesus is The Way, the Truth and the Life. He's greater and bigger than anything the Worldly world or Satan has to throw at us.

Don't let Nicolaitans tie you down or challenge YOUR faith in Jesus. If you follow what is in the Bible you will always be on the narrow path to victory and eternal life. Plus you receive the Holy Spirit and He will teach you all mysteries if you ask Him. If you get sick or your car breaks down on the freeway, you can ask for angelic assistance to keep you safe.

Ok I'm kinda hoping for a bowling alley but I'll settle for the Tree of Life. Can't wait to get to Heaven and meet some of the people in Hebrews chapter 11.

Like it or not; this world that everyone is trying to save, is going to be remodeled to remove everything BAD that mankind did to it. Clean air, crystal clear water, No GMO's, no crime. Jesus is the Light of Heaven.

Everything I just said is in the Bible. (Except the bowling alley).

We are all followers of Jesus..so let's learn NOW, to whom we belong to and what's next? It's going to be good.

Mishael

What do we have on i belong to god in the bible

Thanks for that information. Didn't know that.

I totally agree with you brother. The old covenant law(Ten Commandments) are pretty simple and in no way cover the whole spectrum of committing sin. As if someone still thought "just live by these ten and I'm good" that clearly, to me, shows that Christ is not growing within them, yet hopefully. The differentiation of living by the flesh, or in the Spirit, is a whole new life. Truly gifted to us by the works of our Saviour Jesus Christ. Thanks be to people like you and all the other brothers, and sisters, in Christ around the world trying to spread the "good news" of salvation. Able to have true relationship with our Eternal Father in Heaven. In the world we live in today not many people are interested in hearing about the Lord. Never stop confessing Him to other people. At least trying to plant a seed, for our Father, that one day may begin to grow in Christ. "Every good, perfect, gift is from above"

God Bless you Chris.

Are you referring to Asherah? If so, this word is not the King James Bible, but in other Bible versions it is translated as 'Asherah'.

Asherah (plural, Asherim) refers to 'grove' in the KJV, and these groves were essentially the trunk of a tree that was hewed down & then carved into an image for the purpose of worship that image. The origin of this was the Canaanite goddess Astarte whose image may have been carved into the trunk.

You may remember that God's people, Israel, were commanded to go into the land of the Canaanites, Hivites, Hittites, etc. to conquer them & this land would be Israel's future possession. However, throughout the history of Israel, they started off well to serve the true & living God, but ended up taking on the worship of the idols of the heathen around them. You can look at these references: 1 Kings 16:33, 2 Kings 21:7, Exodus 34:13, Judges 6:25 for a few occurrences of this idolatry. So whenever you see 'groves' or 'asherah', they refer to idolatry that was practised by heathen nations & for which Israel often also did & suffered under God's Hand.

Richard, if we look at the Commandments of God, whether given only to Israel as they were, or in a general way to us, of knowing & attending to God's requirements, then there can be no fault found in the Law.

The issue that comes up, whether known or unknown to the Law-keeper, is a theological one & in a very real way impacts on our view of the Scriptures & our view of our relationship to the Godhead. The Word declares that God's Law "is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good." ( Rom 7:12) so there's nothing wrong with the Law & its eternal purity & accuracy. But the problem comes up when Jesus Christ appeared on the scene & gave His Life for mankind. Something happened to that Law - it didn't change in its character & condition - it changed in its 'use by date' hence, its usefulness. ( Heb 8:6,7): "But now hath he (Jesus) obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. For if that first covenant (the Law) had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second."

And so, if the Law remained without fault in as far as giving us direction in life & keeping us acceptable to God, then there was no need for a Saviour - the Law was doing a good job, or was it? But that was never in God's Plan as the 'expiry date' had come when Jesus came: "For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh, that the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit." ( Rom 8:3,4). So here we have the decision: are we righteous before God by keeping the letter of the Law, or by the righteousness of the Law which comes from the Spirit? If we choose to 'keep' the Law & tick off the list to show how we're doing in our eyes or before God, then our righteousness comes from the Law & not by faith in Jesus Christ.

The Church is not commanded to keep the Sabbath. The command is specific to the LORD's covenant with Israel:

Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant. ( Exodus 31:16)

And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day. ( Deuteronomy 5:15)

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. ( Colossians 2:16-17)

Good day brother Dan,

I also believe following the Ten Commandments is something the Lord wants us all to do. As really when you become Blessed with the Holy Ghost they are a pretty simple line to follow. Some believe in a slightly different way. Which is fine as them knowing that staying away from sin or "lusts of the flesh" is key which in itself is the same thing. Now being in Christ it does get more broad than just the Ten Commandments. Which I've stated is a good simple outline of our duties. Sadly some believe they cannot sin anymore. Which I won't get into that but it really is sorrowful. Striving to follow Jesus Christ, the best we can, shows God what's really in our hearts. Knowing even if we slip up to stay meek and confess to the Lord. Praying for His never ending Mercy, it shall be ours. He shall direct our paths.

Keeping everyday Holy is wonderful. Love one another my brothers and sisters!

Stay producing delightful fruit for the Lord. God Bless you brother.

Lionjudah, the Spirit has graced you with truths that most want see, Ezekiel 5:1-4, Zachariah 13:9, Obadiah 17-21, Zachariah 12:7-8, how great to be under the Spirits mercy and grace.

Mishael, may the Spirit grace us with his words, you quoted Isaiah 14:11-16. Verse 16 says: They that see thee (king of Babylon) shall narrowly look upon thee (king of Babylon), and consider thee (king of Babylon), saying is this the MAN (king of Babylon) that made the earth to tremble, and that did shake kingdoms. The whole chapter is about the king of Babylon. Ezekiel 28 is talking about the king of Tyrus, Ezekiel 28:12. Satan was a liar and murder from the beginning, no perfection there. The third that fall in Revelation 12:4 is the same third in Zachariah 13:9 and the same third in Ezekiel 5:1-4 and the same third in Revelation 8:7-12. These prophesies are about fire saving mankind not torturing mankind.

Who is Ashera?