Revelation Chapter 16 Discussion Page 4

Dear Brother Richard in Christ,

Happy Sabbath!

Yes, the sabbath was made for man, and it truly is a wonderful gift from God. Yes we can do good on this day.

Jesus showed us all of the wonderful things that could be performed on this special day! The scribes and Pharisees were always looking for ways to trip Jesus up with the Sabbath.

Luke 6:9-10

"Then said Jesus unto them, I will ask you one thing; Is it lawful on the sabbath days to do good, or to do evil? to save life, or to destroy it?" 10. And looking round about upon them all, he said unto the man, Stretch forth thy hand. And he did so: and his hand was restored whole as the other.

We can justify many things on the sabbath....but, ignore the sabbath, God forbid!

Apostle Paul below:

Romans 3:31

"Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law."

God Bless.

Brother Chris,

Happy Sabbath! Today is the sabbath of our Lord, and I'm very blessed, not only today... but everyday in our Lord Jesus Christ!

Regarding the Seventh Day Baptists, I'm happy to share this or any other information, with you and other Christians here. We are hopefully here to help each other, and fellowship.

I'm continually learning as I study the Bible scriptures. As with all Christians, it is my hope to receive the ultimate gift of eternal life. Yes, I agree with you, it is beneficial to get different viewpoints on important bible topics including the sabbath.

Revelation 22:14

"Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city."

God Bless.

Thanks i understand now

Brother Dan. Just further to my comment as you truly piqued my interest in the Seventh Day Baptists. I took time to listen to a video from a Pastor from one of those Churches (in the U.S.), speaking on this subject of observing the Sabbath. And of course, he shared verbatim to what others on this Site have also written, so I assume that the support of Sabbath-keeping generally is based on that understanding from the Word.

However, no mention was made by him about the aspect of the Old Covenant against the New Covenant brought in by Jesus Christ. Maybe he saw no relevance in that, but I believe, with a full & proper understanding of it, one should get a better understanding of how God looks at us & what He requires of us as those now gifted with His Spirit as opposed to those who were required to adhere to the Law & implications. I'm not wanting to raise this subject again as it has been brought up many times already, but to share that a balanced message or exposition, would be most needful to those seeking understanding.

that's What I was saying about the books the antichrist's want us to be trapped in your beast mind set with the flesh and all those babble church all in the world. for ever learning but never coming to the understanding of the truth?

what i meant was take no mark!!

we live by faith not by seeing but believing!!

take no mark then we have no faith! be in the spirit fast for the word no carnal..

fellow the spirit of the truth not your flesh? mark of the beast has been here since the garden of eden. what fruit of tree u eating from? A good tree can not bare bad fruit. bad tree can not bare good fruit, u cant chose two master's/ teacher's of this world? or the holy spirit.

Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

32Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

33But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

34And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more

the bible is a spiritual book and to be read in the spirit!! Jah Bless..

To Earl Bowman. Isaiah 28:13-19

Lucifer was A CREATED ARCHANGEL. 4th in line to the Throne. He was cast down to the Earth. He became Satan. He was NOT human. He had no ability to produce children, unless you refer to evil spirits? Lucifer was in charge of praise and worship to God. He lost his position and name also when he was cast out.

13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that THOU WAS CREATED.

14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.

17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.

Revelation 12:9

And the GREAT DRAGON was cast out, that old SERPENT called the DEVIL and SATAN, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

SEE ISAIAH 14:12-16, to read more of Lucifer.

If you will Google 'LIST OF DEMON NAMES'

you'll see who works for him. The 1/3 that chose to be cast out with him.

Blessings, Mishael

"The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath"

"Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath days, or to do evil? To save life, or to kill?"

Brother Dan, thank you very much for that information - I never knew that at all. I thought, that apart from a few (minor) differences, all Baptist churches came under the same banner of doctrines, beliefs & practises. That news has really floored me - I would never have thought a Baptist church could recognize & celebrate Sabbath.

My apologies to you & to Duane Martin for my careless comment.

I will take a guess: 1. Our sky. 2. Paradise. 3.Heaven. note: Paradise and Heaven are two places not one. Paradise is where we wait for judgement and if are worthy we go to Heaven.

Brother Chris,

As you may be aware there are many various Baptist denominations....one is the 7th Day Baptist and they observe the Saturday Sabbath. There may be other Baptists as well...

God Bless.

The sabbath day is Saturday. True. But Christians worship on a Sunday, being the Lords Day. The day He rose from the dead.

We can worship anytime, any day....still doesn't excuse not keeping the Saturday sabbath as much as we can. Jesus and his apostles kept the sabbath.

John 15:10

"If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love."

God Bless.

Praises too from babies are powerful against evil too!

May Nathan see Your Face on Your People Abba, Father, in The Holy Precious Name of Jesus Christ! Then that 4 month old or so said supernaturally with witnesses...I love You Daddy! As He looked at me. I said that prayer under my breath for this Fatherless baby ...or at that time separated parents.

Another baby out His finger to me on His back window of Their car from His car seat as i just prayed silently for further strength from GOD to continue! You must continue...The Posterity of Human beings depends on us folks to continue in Christ is our personal destinies in Christ to be fulfilled! Ask babies too to praise GOD! It is powerful against evil too. So are The Prayers of Jesus Christ Himself! Pray these too agreeing with Jesus Christ.

Thanks for your replies brother. Just thought it was a nice list between the evil one and Christ. Then seeing it wasn't separated looked a little odd. As people close to the Lord(like yourself) would probably understand the post I just didn't want anyone to take it the wrong way.

It seems there is another poster named "Richard" so I'll now go by this name to indicate one from the other.

Hope all is well with you Chris, God Bless.

Our dog, Shadow, a standard huge full bred pomeranian, given to a paraplegic as a service dog in a nursing home used to listen to me reading The Hy Bible! I would say praise Tbe Lord Shadow in The Holy Name of Jesus Christ! He would turn over on his back and put all four paws up to GOD! Many personal stories of prayer time with that dog, Shadow! Especially, on tbe topic of animal testimonies in The Holy Bible. Shadow took it all seriously! He did his part to protect us using GOD stuff too! Shadow listened and obeyed GOD to even his ministry as a Service Dog for a paraplegic and so many elderly and sick in nursing homes. He lives with Them! Praising GOD still in battle against evil for Them too!

Pray for Holy Angels too! Pray for all creation! Pray for earth!

A young lady said to me that she was a holy angel.

How do you tell if she is or not?

She was born of physical parents. She was not a holy angel! She needed to understand this so that she could receive Salvation in Christ! A ministry for holy angels by her perhaps!

She needed to understand that she was not a holy angel! She is human species, and Salvation in Christ is for human beings! She was born human so she needs to be Born Again in Christ!.

Holy angels have their own accountability to GOD as do all creation uniquely! Including our pets and our landscaping outside our properties or highways or byways! Command such to all praise GOD always! There is power in their praise to GOD also against evil!

The sabbath day is Saturday, and always has been from the time God created the world, through the Bible old and new Testament time periods Jesus and the apostles observed Saturday.

I believe the Sunday sabbath keeping day change took place according to historic records attributed to Roman Emperor Constantine in A.D. 321. Thereafter adopted by the Catholic church, and then other churches along the way. It can easily be researched on the web.

Since God gave mankind the Saturday sabbath as a gift for us, and a commandment - the 4th, I will keep it holy along with the other 9 commandments.

God Bless.

When reading the Word & its use of this word, 'heaven', I see it applied in four ways:

a. the sky/atmosphere or troposphere & this goes to an altitude of approx. fifteen miles. Genesis 6:7, James 5:18 as examples.

b. the celestial (outer space) of planets, stars & constellations. Deuteronomy 4:19, Matthew 24:29.

c. the Place of God's Abode. Hebrews 8:1, Acts 7:56.

d. the new Heaven (& Earth) that is yet to come after all the corrupt Earth & Sky are dissolved. Isaiah 65:17, Revelation 21:1.

Posting here does not always retain our format/use of non alpha script. But we can easily see the clear distinction between the two personalities you gave. Thank you.

Matthew 22:30

For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

Mark 12:25

For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.

1 Corinthians 6:3 ..."we shall judge angels"

A: We will be transformed into spiritual beings. That carnal, fleshly sin nature will be gone. There's not going to be dating, betrothal or marriage.

B: Our spiritual nature will as one who desires to please God and worship Him.

Sorrow over those who chose death, over life eternal; will not be remembered.

C: we will not be of the Earth, earthly and carnal (of the Flesh). We're going to have bodies as the angels have bodies.

We will not struggle with desires, jealousy, ambitions etc.

D: Satan, other names such as; FATHER OF LIES, destroyer, deceit, murder, etc., will not be slinking around to trip us up with that old carnal nature. He's going to be locked up in hell for 1000 years. There is no mention of him having children, although There is mention of the son of perdition in a couple of places.

E. I don't know what we'll have on, "underneath our robes." There will not be marriage or child rearing. Our lives will be spiritual.

F: the way I understand it: the people who manage to be BORN AGAIN during the Tribulation and manage to survive without taking the Mark of the Beast or being destroyed: will be in heaven with their kids; have other children during the 1000 years;

They are going to be earthly. That's why satan is loosed a short time to see if the survivors can be tempted to fall away and follow Satan, instead of Jesus. They will not judge the angels.

I believe we will be able to do a bit of evangelizing and testifying in that 1000 year period. I believe we will not be angry because they are earthly, and we are spiritual beings.

That kinda shows us where we are with our earthly, carnal nature, now.

LDS? Do you mean SDA?

As a Baptist, how does it work out for you to attend your Fellowship on a Sunday? It must be a real problem then.

And you're right, there's no scriptural warrant to change the day to Sunday - it appears it was something that the early Church began to do ( Acts 20:7) - maybe in recognition & remembrance of their Saviour's resurrection. But I would be fine if someone wanted to worship on the Saturday, but it may be a lonely experience for them. When serving in Pakistan, I worshipped with believers there on a Friday - the point was that we did worship the Lord & we did it together in common love & faith.

Mishael, the Spirit grace us with his words, the beast and the false prophet are cast into the lake of fire ( Heb 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire) before Satan. Revelation 19 is describing those that are called to the marriage supper of the Lamb, one cannot be the bride of Christ without partaking of the marriage supper of the Lamb. Being invited to the Lamb's supper means one partakes of the lake of fire (for our God is a consuming fire). Luke 12:49 I (Spirit of God, in flesh) am come to send fire upon the earth (mankind); and what will I (the Spirit of God be) if it (fire) be already kindled? (vs) 50 But I (Spirit of God,in flesh) have a baptism (of fire) to be baptized with, and how am I (Spirit of God) straitened till it (baptism of fire) be accomplished! Matthew 3:11 ....he (Spirit of God) shall baptize you (children of Satan, everyone is a child of this world before they are born of the seed of the Spirit) with the Holy Ghost and with fire (our God is a consuming fire). Since the Spirit is eternal the fire is eternal. Revelation 21:8 But the fearful (were you once fearful), and unbelieving (were you once unbelieving), and murders (did you once hate you brothers) ....all liars (did you once lie). The Spirit graces us with the lake of fire Malachi 3:1 ....and the Lord whom ye seek, shall suddenly appear (at your rebirth) in his temple (you,the Spirits throne, heaven), (vs) 2 But who may abide the day of his coming? for he (the Spirit of truth) is like a refiners fire and fullers soap. Isaiah 4:4 When the Lord (Spirit) shall have washed away the filth of the daughters of Zion.....by the spirit of judgement, and by the spirit of burning. (vs) 5 And the Lord (Spirit) will create (new birth) upon every dwelling place of mount Zion, and upon her assemblies, a cloud (like the cloud over the tabernacle in Moses day) by day , and the shining of a flaming fire by night...(and when the cloud moved the people moved and when cloud stood still the people stood still)

Thank you Richard. A great list of comparisons - Great Truths for us to praise God for.

Mishaeh, may the Spirit of grace reveal his truths to us, the Spirit of God, Jesus, told the Pharisees that they were the children of their Father the Devil, those of us, the children of resurrection are children of God. God (Spirit) and Satan (spirit) both produce seed; their seed (God and Satan) are multiplied in birthing children. May the Spirits grace us until we all come unto the unity of the faith.

It does not take much to mass anihilate this Bidy of Christ!.

It is The End-Times so line up to get your heads chopped off for Your faith!.

Though it be a simple coy!.

O.k. we get it!

All of The Body of Christ will line up to get their heads chopped off!

Just present a 666!

The computer chip is the 666!

Fight against this system!

Fake it out!

Ask GOD how to be wise as serpents!.

A false timing of actual End-Times can happen too!

Do whatever GOD wants You to do! Learn to hear from GOD and obey whatever GOD says for You to do!

Even if that is to hop on one leg while barking like a dog!

GOD has graceful reasons for any request of any of us ever! Negotiate with GOD too!

Let me say it this way...

I am not GOD, nor are You!

Let us let GID be GOD always in all matters!.

I submit this message to all that messaged me!

Not that this particular message is my reply. Tech topics. I use this particular message to me to say this.

How can each of us deal with The Great Tribulation topics?

How can each of us overcome such?

GOD will communicate to each of us in Christ, and then some! Obey GOD!

The Great Tribulation can manifest over and over again out if timing due to circumstances.

Add or subtract from The Book of Revelation and have such plagues or erased names from The Lamb's Book of Life!

Let us not all say it is the end and need to automatically line up to New World Order Style Concentration Camps!

Let all in the Body of Christ be wise as serpents too!.

Even if it is truly The End....Times...of only 1007 years left for life on earth...and for earth

May we The Body of Christ not just go to a mass holocaust based on current events of a Great Tribulation! It may not be The true Time of Such!

Much factors are involved in Suicide for a true Tribulation cause!

Is it really time to get Your head cut off?

No taking of a 666 ever! Understood!

Yet, some of Us in Christ are even drinking a beer with folks for GOD!

Just do what GOD says to do individually! Obey GOD!