Revelation Chapter 17 Discussion Page 8

My interpretation of this is that the Antipope Francis is stripping his "church" of the true Dogmas and holy teachings of the Catholic Church. The ten horns do this, too. They strip her (the Harlot) of every veneer of holiness that used to cover her until she is completely stripped of every pretence of holiness, and will accept all abominations, homosexuality, ungodliness, all-salvation, acceptance of protestantism, and all evil.

See this quote:
"[Francis] took a shot at the media, saying newspapers had been “full
of fantasies” about the trip, suggesting he was coming to “strip” the
church — renouncing honorific titles, selling off properties, etc. His
real interest, he said, was to call the church to a “stripping” of the
“cancer of worldliness.”"

IT'S REFERING TO MAN IN GOD'S IMAGE AND LIKENESS WHO HAS DESCENDED TOO LOW AND HAVE GIVEN HIMSELF TO THE BEAST BECAUSE OF WORLDLY THINGS HE WANTS TO ACHIEVE.

what I read is the harlot is the Catholic church and the city that is spoken of is Rome.

God has chosen and elevated these "kings"(leaders or presidents) of unrighteousness, who all reject God, in perfection of time, to hand over their authority to satan. God didn't make them evil but but uses their evil hearts to accomplish His will in spite of their rebellious hearts. Just as He did with Pharo and other kings from the past, as an example to us what is to come. God doesnt make the heart rebellious but uses the rebellion against them. God has the power ultimately and will guide and direct at his will to accomplish his goals and uses whomever he chooses, good, bad or ugly.

The Truth shall stand. The feeble accusers shall fall by the weighside.

because they have resisted the GREAT FALSE WHORE of revelation 17 .because they have not commited spiritual fornication with the great harlot churches of this world ,they are called spiritual virgins.

Fear not!

Do good judgement. Do exploits that are safe and effective for those you love. There are already enough bad exploits to go around!

What has the makings of a great city? What city would you consider the greatest on earth? Seems these days nearly everyone is more ready to pass the buck, but not the book.

Takirid's comments on identifying Babylon the Great(The Harlot) and The Beast is spot on, long winded but accurate, take the time to read it carefully if you want to learn the truth.

It never ceases to amaze me how we try to make excuses for America and paint her this great bastion of virtue leading the rest of us heathens to God. This we do despite the fact that America placing itself above God. Intimidating it citizens into abandoning the Word of God in deference to a culture of political correctness. Hence we make Mystery to be some other place other than the obvious. Know for sure that when the writer penned this prophecy, Babylon had already given way to the Medes et al as rulers of the Earth. We cannot understand fully this Mystery Babylon (which will be violently overthrown either by some cataclysmic event or some man-made disaster such as a nuclear attack) unless we compare this with some current city. The prophecies about Mystery Babylon are yet to be fulfilled. Here are five (5) criteria it seems Mystery Babylon must meet: (1) The world’s best known city in its day, (2) The world’s most sought after destination for tourist travel, (3) The financial center of the world, (4) The center of world trade and economic activities, and (5) the political and social center of planet Earth. If there is any city on the Planet today that meets those criteria, that should be the number one candidate to wear the title: Mystery Babylon, the Mother of Harlots.

It's obvious that the Persian Gulf is referenced as the great whore, as ancient cities of Babylon were named for Ishtar and other false gods. She was thrown into a bed and burnt with fire, just as it happened in the desert storm war.

We have thoughts and sought the knowledge of things, but if you pay close attention to the writings of this chapter you will understand that this woman is riding on the back of the beast that was healed by Satan himself. Revelation also states the Satan’s number is 666 is the number of man. Remember man’s sperm produces male and female, and this is clearly stating that Satan’s right hand man is a woman. Babylon is similar to The Garden Of Eden, and the old Hebrew tale is, "God Made The Beginning according To The Ending: In the garden she was created to be a help mate, but she's always been the helper to the serpent to destroy man’s glory that he receives from God. The problem with The Catholic Church is, they tried to adapt themselves to Revelation when it speaks of the 144,000 men who were not defiled by women. They try to live that out and it is not meant for them. With that said, The spiritual principalities unseen who seek a door to possess minds have always had a field day with them and they have never been strong enough spiritually to see it.

If you think the Catholic Church is the Anti-Christ, think again. Be careful on how you pull down thrones with your tongue. For every word that you speak you will be judged by it. There are no two ways of interpreting the Bible. If you are of Christ, you know that Bible is spiritually inspired. What is this that I saw that says that the son of man will take fighter and fight. Do you not understand that power was given to the anti-Christ to fight the people of God? The Bible is of no private interpretation ( 2 Peter 1:20). If one lacks wisdom, ask and it shall be given him/her. Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding, Proverbs 3:5.

I very much enjoy this, it has a lot easy understanding.

My thought is that the coming of Jesus Christ to pick up His people is closer than you think. Be prepared this is NOT a joke, or fairy tale. It is as real, as real as you and I are reading this at this very moment.

I think the Catholic Church is toasted. If you are a part of it, you'd better get out while you still can. COME OUT FROM AMONG THEM AND BE YE NOT PARTAKERS OF THEIR SIN.

Notable that this Pope chose the 11th of February 2013 to resign.

All I can say is after we have been established in the present truth let us come out of Babylon, for it has become a cage of every unclean spirit and hateful bird for greater is he that called us out of the darkness into his marvelous light!

Revelation 17:17 shows why we don't elect presidential candidate because God rules in the hearts of men.

As that is about the time of the end when the papal power will get their last time action, I am thinking that the seven kings is the king of Vatican City State since 1929 after they get their sit again through the Lateran Treaty, on 11th February 1929. Since that time the Vatican City State Monarch has had 7 popes/kings up to the present time. It means we are approaching to the end time of the world.

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The verse explains itself,”…and one is, and the other is not yet come;…”. This would indicate the one yet to come is not the one that existed at the time of St. John’s writing. If you dove tail this prophesy with that of Ezekiel’s prophecy of the bad shepherd, who has a withered arm and a withered eye. Ezekiel further describes this individual as the Assyrian. As far as I know there have been no historical persons who have held this title. Assyrians assisted the Romans in the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in 73 AD. Without their aid Rome could not hope to maintain a siege that lasted 3 ½ years. If this analogy is accurate, you may still ask who then the harlot is and where are the seven hills located? There were three Cities constructed on 7 hills during John’s life. Rome, Constantinople, and Jerusalem, of the three Jerusalem fits the term Babylon (Heaven’s Gate), as Jesus said they themselves do not enter nor do they allow others to enter, heaping burdens and not lifting a finger to help them. I am not being anti-Semitic, but I agree with what St. Ignatius of Antioch (a disciple of John), though Judaism brought about Christianity, Judaism is completely dependent on Christianity. Everything in the Law of Moses was to prepare a people for the coming of our Messiah Jesus Christ. Now that Jesus has come, the temple and temple sacrifice is insufficient for salvation. St. Paul was rather adamant in the letter to the Hebrews, the fallacy of offering sacrifice in the temple after you have accepted Jesus as your Lord and Savior, as if Jesus could be sacrifice a second time.

is not the beast a representation of the power of church and state united, being controlled by the papacy, the harlot. The scarlet color a symbol of the assumed power of church and state and also the symbol of the terrible persecution that has and will again occur when this beast again rises from the bottomless pit,when worldwide union of church and state occur when protestantism unites with the papacy controlling the governments of this world.

Why Called an Eighth King?
The angel further explains to John: “And the wild beast that was but is not, it is also itself an eighth king, but springs from the seven, and it goes off into destruction.” ( Revelation 17:11) The symbolic scarlet-colored wild beast “springs from” the seven heads; that is, it is born from, or owes its existence to, those heads of the original “wild beast . . . out of the sea,” of which the scarlet-colored wild beast is an image. In what way? Well, in 1919 the Anglo-American power was the ascendant head. The previous six heads had fallen, and the position of dominant world power had passed to this dual head and was now centered in it. This seventh head, as the current representative of the line of world powers, was the moving force in establishing the League of Nations and is still the major promoter and financial support of the United Nations. Thus, in symbol, the scarlet-colored wild beast—the eighth king—“springs from” the original seven heads. Viewed in this way, the statement that it sprang from the seven harmonizes well with the earlier revelation that the wild beast with two horns like a lamb (the Anglo-American World Power, the seventh head of that original wild beast) urged the making of the image and gave it life.— Revelation 13:1, 11, 14, 15.
Additionally, original members of the League of Nations included, along with Great Britain, governments that ruled in the seats of some of the previous heads, namely Greece, Iran (Persia), and Italy (Rome). Eventually, governments ruling the territory controlled by the previous six world powers came to be supportive members of the image of the wild beast. In this sense, too, it could be said that this scarlet-colored wild beast sprang from the seven world powers.
Notice that the scarlet-colored wild beast “is also itself an eighth king.” Thus, the United Nations today is designed to look like a world government. At times it has even acted like one, sending armies into the field to resolve international disputes, as in Korea, the Sinai Peninsula, some African countries, and Lebanon. But it is only the image of a king. Like a religious image, it has no real influence or power apart from what is invested in it by those who brought it into existence and worship it. On occasion, this symbolic wild beast looks weak; but it has never experienced the kind of wholesale abandonment by dictator-oriented members that sent the League of Nations reeling into the abyss. ( Revelation 17:8) Though holding radically different opinions in other areas, a prominent leader of the former Soviet Union in 1987 joined the popes of Rome in expressing support for the UN. He even called for “a comprehensive system of international security” based on the UN. As John soon learns, the time will come when the UN will act with considerable authority. Then it, in its turn, “goes off into destruction.”

IT IS the hour of God’s judgment! Listen, then, to the divine message: “And another, a second angel, followed, saying: ‘She has fallen! Babylon the Great has fallen, she who made all the nations drink of the wine of the anger of her fornication!’” ( Revelation 14:8) For the first time, but not the last, Revelation focuses attention on Babylon the Great. Later, chapter 17 will describe her as a voluptuous harlot. Who is she? As we shall see, she is a global empire, she is religious, and she is Satan’s counterfeit system that he uses in fighting against the seed of God’s woman. ( Revelation 12:17) Babylon the Great is the entire world empire of false religion. She includes all religions that preserve the religious teachings and practices of ancient Babylon and that manifest her spirit.
It was at Babylon, more than 4,000 years ago, that Jehovah confused the tongues of the would-be builders of the Tower of Babel. The different language groups were scattered to the ends of the earth, taking with them the apostate beliefs and practices that are the basis of most religions to this day. ( Genesis 11:1-9) Babylon the Great is the religious part of Satan’s organization. (Compare John 8:43-47.) Her most prominent segment today is apostate Christendom, which emerged as a powerful, lawless organization in the fourth century after Christ, with creeds and formalisms derived, not from the Bible, but largely from Babylonish religion.—2 Thessalonians 2:3-12.
. John is struck with wonderment at what he next hears and sees: “And one of the seven angels that had the seven bowls came and spoke with me, saying: ‘Come, I will show you the judgment upon the great harlot who sits on many waters, with whom the kings of the earth committed fornication, whereas those who inhabit the earth were made drunk with the wine of her fornication.’”— Revelation 17:1, 2.
2 “The great harlot”! Why so shocking a designation? Who is she? Some have identified this symbolic harlot with ancient Rome. But Rome was a political power. This harlot commits fornication with the kings of the earth, and this evidently includes the kings of Rome. Besides, after her destruction, “the kings of the earth” are said to mourn her passing. Therefore, she cannot be a political power. ( Revelation 18:9, 10) Additionally, since she is mourned also by the world’s merchants, she could not picture big business. ( Revelation 18:15, 16) We read, however, that ‘by her spiritistic practice all the nations were misled.’ ( Revelation 18:23) This makes it clear that the great harlot must be a worldwide religious entity.
Which religious entity? Is she the Roman Catholic Church, as some have maintained? Or is she all of Christendom? No, she must be even larger than these if she is to mislead all the nations. She is, in fact, the entire world empire of false religion. Her origin in the mysteries of Babylon is shown in that many Babylonish doctrines and practices are common to religions around the earth. For example, belief in the inherent immortality of the human soul, in a hell of torment, and in a trinity of gods is to be found in most Oriental religions as well as in the sects of Christendom. False religion, spawned more than 4,000 years ago in the ancient city of Babylon, has developed into the modern monstrosity that is called, appropriately, Babylon the Great. Why, though, is she described by the repugnant term “the great harlot”?

Confusion. Babylon. Sea of people in confusion because they had no peace because the prince of Peace wasn't here so they whore with the first one that showed up,instead of Christ. Not the true Christ but a fake with a new world religion.

The great whore hasn't been established yet. It has to take a sea of people joined together in a one world system, religious political with the false prophet the antichrist who soon will take over after he heals a deadly wound that is stoping the system that 10 kings in the flesh gets started and antichrist with his powers with bringing lighting down and other tricks that get into power over a new one world system and then puts 10 supernatural kings in their place. When you see this. Warning its satan the wolf dressed as a sheep so don't bow down wait for the true Christ.

The 7 mountains are empires past. You know, king of babylon then the meeds & persians took it, then greeks,Romans,mohammedians, and then from 1948 good and bad figs,when Israel became a state and started the generation of the fig tree. Then future antichrist or instead of Christ. Then after a thousand years as it says the 8th is let out for a short season. The catholic church has nothing to do with it.

verse 18 says "and the woman which thou sawest is that great city that reigneth over the kings of the earth. This has the be washinton d.c.I feel very strongly that the united states is not only the woman setting on the back of beast, and is the great whore that will be burned with fire by the 10 kings. God bless you.