Revelation Chapter 18 Discussion Page 3

It takes 13 months a day and an hour for the beast army to coordinate and strike (an hour, a day, a month, and a year).

And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men. Revelation 9:15 We are given the 6th trumpet's, day of the Lord time of day, and the time of year is before the harvest. No one knows the day of 7th trumpet return to Mount Olive; I'm sure you will be present, you are called.

I entered a bold prognosticator, I was rejected. 7 Identities later, I'm feeling comfortable enough to exercise my grand English whit. I don't I like my user name, it reeks of arrogance and pomp. I know well enough how to defend the books integrity. I spend years filling in the blanks, gleaning secret antiquities, it's constantly on my mind. I pass up reading popular books so I can read Obadiah for the thousandth time.

Take on your future, we have clews, but no one really knows, but for faith. We all feel we live in extraordinary times, therefore navigate the storm with what God gave you, eat the book up. Your Biblical imagination is a free vacation.

Have a great day!

Darren thanks for that ,ive always thought of thise two chapters as reffering to the use of nuclear weapons ,i belive they will be used at the very end ,most likely in the middle east but maybe elsewhere too ,of course it will also be like the days of Noah ,giving in marriage etc ,i dont always agree with what you or anyone elsr says or belives but i have to say your sense of humour is a breath of fresh air ! I never knew americans had one ! Hahaha just kidding ,im english so i was born with one ! We cant take ourselves too seriously , the Truth is very serious and i know that God has brought me this far but a sense of humour in this awfull world is essential i think .

I would live in a community of abaptists. I'd build an A-frame by a fresh water lake called Duncan.

Sounds like anabaptists live a pure life.

You never hear of rough and tumble anabaptists up on charges.

Do they have anaprotestant cause everyone should be so fortunate.

I grew up baptist.

John wrote Revelation while imprisoned at Patmos.

Hello Darren, I think I understand where you are coming from.

Carleton

Where did you go? I want to hear about your silent trumpets. When will they sound, and will they sound off all at once?

Anabaptists give me an anaphylactic reaction. Haha.

I gage the content of a post by how much research needs to be done in order to qualify an answer.

Keep the new stuff coming.

You have a broken heart? Who could be so unkind? Can you hear your heart in you ears? I hope you find relief, the human condition is wanting without divine intervention.

God will make you strong in times of need. The non-believers in your family don't know God's love. They must see you are a beacon of light, beaming in their darkness. If you feel satisfied in the measures you taken to expose them to God, your job is done. There is no burden on you to remove their burden. Enjoy their company while you can. This world's not for living it's for fighting and for wars, no matter what the circumstance, hold on to what is yours.

Zachariah 14:12 shows the supernatural power of Jesus when he consumes the beast army at his coming. The Kidron valley filled to the horses bridal with blood.

Who do we pray to, Heavenly Father or Jesus our Lord?

Thank you for your reply. I asked that because I was troubled, I have been baptized with the triple immersion.

Hey Carleton,

I would not say the Christian life is a life of practice, instead I would attest that it's a life of obedience and there is a difference. Practice has differences while obedience is the same for all throughout. In religious practices there are many differences but obedience to God's in dwelling spirit can only go one way, God's way. Hope this helps. God bless you

Who wrote this book?

Paul

I might have had that wrong, I think the phrase is: "the mode of baptism is in the water" , still wondering if anyone is familiar with the corrected phrase?

Thank you!

God bless you Vince. You are practicing as you write.

:)

Has anybody heard the phrase "the baptism is in the water" ?

Bonsu,

The MAIN things are the PLAIN things.

This is NOT one of the MAIN things, meaning that this is not a matter of salvation and good Christians dunk, triple dunk or sprinkle.

Many people believe that baptism is essential based on...

"Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." Act 2:38

But look what happened when Peter preached to Gentiles...

"While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days." Act 10:44-48

They received The Holy Spirit, that is they were regenerated, without baptism. Then they were baptized as a testimony of their conversion and in obedience to Christ.

But it never states a formula. The Ethiopian Eunuch went down into the water but was he splashed, single dunk, triple or what? Don't know. And we should not make a formula a means of dividing The Body of Christ unnecessarily.

I'm a baptist, with a small b. I have a conviction about baptism, being immersed as a sign of my death and burial of my old life with Christ being buried and coming out of the water as a sign of my new resurrection life in Christ. And I'll kindly discuss with those who differ. But we are not enemies. We just have a different persecutive on an issue that is not essential.

In essentials, unity; in non-essentials, liberty; in all things, charity.

Since water baptism does not bring salvation but comes after salvation as an outward testimony of an inward change, we have to wonder if it truly matters if you are dunked once or three times.

I can tell you that when Jesus walked the earth, before the church began, the Jews used to dunk three times. They didn't know why they did it that way, they just did.

But it is interesting that Jesus said in Matthew 28:19 that when you baptize, baptize in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Again, the Jews dunked three times, they just never put it together why three times.

There are three things we identify with during baptism, Jesus' death, burial, and resurrection.

Whether we are dunked once or three times has been debated for a long time. Again, however many times a person goes under will not affect their relationship as a born again believer in Christ.

So I guess those who did not practice are all doomed to hell? This is just self righteousness on the part of anyone who thinks it's by their works they will be counted worthy for heaven. God bless you

I really want to know about baptism. Some church believe in three immersion "in the name of the Father,the Son and the Holy Spirit" repeating all the three Person of the Trinity each time you are immersed in the water three times.

Others baptized only in the name of Jesus Christ ignoring the Father and the Holy Spirit.

Others also in the Trinity in one immersion.

So I want which is right and if all are right I will want to know. Thank you.

For born again believing Christians, Christian life is a practice. This is our reasonable service in the righteousness of Jesus Christ.

No, only priests wore linen ephod, so it was 85 faithful men. God bless you

Did I mention that anabaptists have been around a long time already, teaching by their lives, that one must be born again when infant baptism was required by law. Lambs reigning with Christ have no fear of their neighbor, instead we love our neighbors as ourselves.

:)

:) Not even a little bit. He has been reigning in the hearts of believers that live as his lambs for a long time already.

Be ready when ne comes!

Darren yes ! I have often wondered about what all the other hundreds of thousand and millions of people have thought ,people who lived a long time before this scientific world we now live in ,how would they have understood Zecharia ch 14 ? Especially v 12 ? Or Revelation ch 11 v 18 'them which destroy the earth ' these verses in particular must have been terrifying but we live in the age where these things are totally clear to us ,we are in the last days im sure ,i try not to get too excited as i know it could be a few years yet but i realllly want it to be very soon !

Darren ,aaaaahaha ! Im the 'strong' one too ! My strength really only does come from God ,everyone thinks im so cool and calm and unflapable ,inside im a kitten ,totally useless without Gods help ,i live among atheists who often have lent on me but who dont realise that they are not really leaning on me but on God because He is the one keeping me on my feet !

Oh, Hold up now. "a amilleniast" How did you stray from the Word? You don't believe Jesus Christ in the flesh will reign in person for 1,000 years, but return after the church age? You better not let this get out, or it could spell trouble. Better board up your windows before the hard core Christians try and find out if you float. As for me, I'll be seeing you and all the rest that die in Christ, like John said.

Amillenarism or Amillennialism is a type of chillegorism which teaches that there will be no millennial reign of the righteous on earth. Amillennarists interpret the thousand years symbolically to refer either to a temporary bliss of souls in heaven before the general resurrection, or to the infinite bliss of the righteous after the general resurrection.[1]

This view in Christian eschatology does not hold that Jesus Christ will physically reign on the earth for exactly 1,000 years. This view contrasts with some postmillennial interpretations and with premillennial interpretations of chapter 20 of the Book of Revelation.

The amillennial view regards the "thousand years" mentioned in Revelation 20 as a symbolic number, not as a literal description; amillennialists hold that the millennium has already begun and is identical with the current church age. Amillennialism holds that while Christ's reign during the millennium is spiritual in nature, at the end of the church age, Christ will return in final judgment and establish a permanent reign in the new heaven and new earth.

Many proponents dislike the term "amillennialism" because it emphasizes their differences with premillennialism rather than their beliefs about the millennium. "Amillennial" was actually coined in a pejorative way by those who hold premillennial views. Some proponents also prefer alternate names such as nunc-millennialism (that is, now-millennialism) or realized millennialism, although these other names have achieved only limited acceptance and usage.[2]

You believe in Christ's 1,000 year reign on earth. That is at the 7th trumpet, at the moment the 144,000 rise. That's what I believe.

What do millennial's believe that's different from above?

I am a amilleniast. Meaning perhaps for you, so you can understand me, no literal millennial counting is necessary.

:)

Does Elijah mean nothing to you?

Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:

And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse. Malachi 4:5-6

Wow, the OT really lays it on thick about Jesus causing a disturbance: great and dreadful. Imagine how disappointed all the pre-great tribers will be when they're not raptured.

Jesus said, "Be ready

For you know not the hour in which I come"

He said, "He who is not for me is against me"

Just so you know where He's coming from

B. Dylan

I am happy that I can rest that all that remains is Jesus's harvest. I love His reign in His saints while time remains.

:)