Revelation Chapter 18 Discussion Page 6

I agree, that was a good balanced answer from Adam. However, he did introduce 'passive euthanasia', which got me thinking further. How would one then view these three: suicide, euthanasia & murder? I realize that each one is different, pursued for entirely different reasons, but what do you see as the common denominator? I see, & I can be corrected, that the common denominator is "the taking of life", i.e. taking of life that God has given to us.

Maybe from this basic understanding/assumption, one could then formulate an appropriate view from God's Perspective, in regards to: to whose authority do we appeal to; is there any leniency or allowance given to us; and, where does God's control or interest end & the realm of man's responsibility & action begin?

Isaiah 2: 2-5

I do not enjoy warning people to learn spiritual warfare. God gives us peace that passes understanding. Lack of peace, means something is not right.

We are being shown to put on the armor of God ( Eph. 6) and be in an attitude of readiness. Our armor, of course, is spiritually lived in; comfortably. Our discernment sharpened by the Holy Spirit. At this time, Christians must learn war.

Satan knows his time is short. These difficult times will WAX, WORSE and WORSE. He is amassing his evil armies for a future battle in Heaven; against Jesus with his warring angels. We're seeing things no other generation has seen before.

We do our war, on our knees with the Sword of the Spirit of God. He Will teach us how to pray; what to pray; and give us names to bind on earth and Cast into outer darkness and dry places.

If we have been born again; received the Holy Spirit; asked Him for the Gift of discerning of spirits and to teach us how it works. This depends on Him. He will guide you into all truth.

They're rioting in the streets with demons; and we're cowering in our homes. Think of this: we know how the "story" ends.

We'll be caught up to Jesus into the clouds. Alive or dead, our future is WITH HIM.

You're not going to see anything that God does not allow you to see. He's not going to suffer us to be terrified. We are Jesus's Bride. Be at peace in your soul. It is written: that we will be returning, with Jesus on white horses (in Revelation) when He permanently dispatches Antichrist.

LEARN about spiritual warfare. I'm hearing more Pastors on radio teaching it now to their churches, and to us. The prophetic word is confirmed. Take notes; read those scriptures. This is YOUR sword. Jesus's sword is 2 edged. It cuts going in and when it comes out. How awesome is our LORD!!

We have that same sword. Fear not.

I've checked out Derek Prince on YouTube and his teachings are sound; with scriptures. Write them down.

I choose to avoid websites like Facebook or Twitter. I don't have enough time to peer into madness, daily.

You need to understand 2 Timothy 3:1-5

This what we see everyday. Jesus is returning soon. You have to lose friendship with the World; to PURSUE salvation and friendship with the Son of God.

Spiritual and physical death is forever, in the darkness and separation of eternal hell. People there are tormented by demons. They do not meet up with their BFF's.

22-23 and the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee; and the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived

Note: Blessings, given to her by GOD is 100% stripped away from her by the destruction from GOD. All her buying & selling, global commerce or all her imports & exports ceases to exist forever. Millstone sounds are heard when corn and wheat is being ground for food but that day the milestones are silenced forever by destruction. Her light no longer shine thereby attracting nobody because she is now destroyed and in a form of darkness, also it appear the Godly-Joy found in marriage cease to exist. But we must remember, if we are rightly secured by John 3:16-21 or other such verses, the best is yet to come for us /those BORN AGAIN, for example, being at The Marriage Supper Of The LAMB.

Using sorceries or her many evils tricks, she deceived ALL nations.

Hmmm! are you like stereo-typing every person or every situation involving suicide? if that's the case! then you must be god.

...some people just don't get it.........maybe that's why jesus had to stoop down and draw in the sand!

Oh! I'll say it, just one more time...in case anyone wants to try and get inside the mind of a....I'll Leave the rest to your imagination! (KATELYN NICOLE DAVIS) A Story that Helped me see Life from a Different Perspective.

So, you know where she was, like inside here Head! You didn't even know Her! I thought I did too! Until I watched Her videos...

You say, CHILDREN DONT NEED TO READ? Hmmm! If your basically saying, what I think your saying...WRONG...WRONG...WRONG...Children do need to read, I Disagree! I'm not talking about a 5 or 6yr.old, I'm talking here about a 12yr. Old girl that was just Lacking a few months from being 13, ok! The Jewish people started their children reading at a very early age! Didn't like the fact, that little girls were restricted pretty much from the study of the SCRIPTURES & the TALMUD and also other teachings! Point is...children should be taught God's word early! In most Hmes you hardly ever see FAMILY-ALTAR-TIME. In my Home, I started studying around 11yrs.old or earlier! I was considered odd & wierd by family members! I'll stop there! My point already made! People wonder why their kids do the way they do....like Hang themselves in their families front yard, while Mommy and the other siblings are taking a Nap! So don't tell me kids don't need to read, or read the Scriptures...

Comments about that which is BORN of the SPIRIT IS SPIRIT Matthew 13 The children of the kingdom that are gonna be born in US via his seed the Word.She brought forth a manchild that is gonna rule all nations. THE WOMAN IS US, WE ARE GONNA HAVE A BABY, the Child is the H.G. The Child is the Kingdom , the H.G. unless you receive the kingdom as a lil Child ( A BIRTH the H.G.))you will in no wise enter there in. his SEED is the WORD, the same seed that was implanted in Mary is gona be sown in all of US. Who is my Mother he asked ? Them that hear the WORD and keeps it ,Thus we will birth a baby Christ which is the H.G. A SPRITUAL CHILD, THAT WHICH IS BORN OF THE SPIRIT ( THE WORD ) IS SPIRIT THATS THE H.G. OUR NEW INNERMAN, tHAT NEW CREATURE . Our fruit unto God as PAUL said, When he was still on the cross he calling for Elijah to come and turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, His children that are gona be born in US. Thats y he said b/c i have spoken these words ( his seeds) sorrows have filled your hearts, SORROWS imply a spritual pregnancy thats when he told em of a woman has sorrrows till the Child comes then her sorrows are turned into joy, then he said i wil see you again he is the Child, th H.G. WHOSOEVER receives one Child in My NAME receives me, in my Name implies he is the father of the Child simply the child is ccnceived by his seed the word,REMEMBER he said the Father wd send the H.G IN MY NAME,THE H.G. being the Child. MEN AND WOMEN ARE GONA BIRTH A BABY CHRIST THAT WAS THE GREAT PROMISE THAT CHRIST WD BE MULTIPIED as the stars of heaven THUS THE BABES AND SUCKLINGS WHICH ARE SPIRITS TH H.G PLURAL AS THE STARS OF HEAVEN.Whoso ever receives one such Child in my NAME receives ME. Thats y the new birth is so important, there is a Child in the new birth.When Isaiah saw the Kingdom coming he says unto us a Child is born unto us a Son is given. thats y he always refers to himself as the SON OF MAN. Thats y Jeremiah saw all men in travail and birth pains

I read Psalms to my 7 yr old Grandson and he loves it! He loves it more than other children's books. Especially when he's going to sleep. He also asks me questions about it as we read along.

I do this to lay a foundation of love for Gods Word in his heart. A little seed that will stay there until the "forest fires" of life come.

Did you know some trees in the forest drop their seeds; and they lay dormant till the fires come. Then they open in the heat and begin to grow a new tree after the fire? It just shows me that God loves and makes provision to us in a million wondrous ways!

Turn off Mickey Mouse and Read Psalms to your children.

Tell the stories that have survived the passage of time, while we wait for our Lord to return.

Bible says...the THIEF cometh not, but to KILL, STILL and to DESTROY. it's not like I don't have answers or that I'm not BIBLICALLY-EDUCATED...I'm basically trying to engage other Christians and Hear their input! I also have questions that sometimes I can't answer, like How is it that GOD was never Born! Hmmm! That's a Good one, Huh! Never came up with an answer for that one! Hah! Here is the Girls name, in case any of you were just interested in seeing what our young people are maybe struggling with in Life, right? Her name is: KATELYN NICOLE DAVIS...if your interested just go on Facebook or YouTube! She's pretty much become the POSTER-CHILD for some major Suicide organization! These people are promoting SELF AWARENESS! I personally take it a step further, and promote PRO-LIFE...Later!

Barry I am sorry to hear about that. I do believe the Bible teaches the age of accountability is 20 years old.

Exodus 30:14 Every one that passeth among them that are numbered, from twenty years old and above, shall give an offering unto the LORD.

One was not required to offer a sacrifice for oneself till they were 20 years old. otherwise the Father was offering on behalf of the family. in other words under the headship of the family.

Numbers 1:3 From twenty years old and upward, all that are able to go forth to war in Israel: thou and Aaron shall number them by their armies.

A male was not to be drafted into the army until they were 20 years old. Not considered an adult till then.

Numbers 1:18 And they assembled all the congregation together on the first day of the second month, and they declared their pedigrees after their families, by the house of their fathers, according to the number of the names, from twenty years old and upward, by their polls.

A census of the adults was not reckoned until they were 20.

I am of the opinion that she shall grow up in the 1,000 reign of Christ after the tribulation and given a chance to accept or reject the Lord. After all in the kingdom believers do not marry as Jesus said in:

Matthew 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

Yet there are children in the kingdom.

Isaiah Chapter 11:6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.

7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.

8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.

until a Lion can eat straw this has not happened, yet there is a sucking child there, so where do they come from?

Aborted kids?

It is a very hard way to die. I think that the problem relates to getting away from God and then when you are stressed or confused or on drugs or are partying and then probably stressed and confused, and you have no one to talk to and understand; and you do not know God and Jesus; who do you talk to?

When you have God; You always have someone who understand you; and will always stay with you etc.......

Today people have turned their back on God for the belief and deception of evolution and money also seems to be the Goal; and their is nothing wrong with money if it is used for the right stuff but in this world; man control it and rules it and children starve, get sick, die. live in slums, etc.

Children don't need to read and understand scriptures but they need the basis, God created the world and everything in it. etc.

It's so hard to see someone die that way. She was very young, but certainly was an age to know the difference of good and evil. Our society romanticizes suicide as an option.

As I said, I've known where she went in her mind. Life can become so painfull. Reality is too bright, so you stay in the shadows in your head. The spirit (demon) of Death moves in and brings with him other spirits with one common goal: to take a life. To Deny God the joy of that child. I don't know her circumstances, but kids these days are in a war for their very lives. It's not all puppies & kittens. Music and internet are not as helpful to some people. We need to turn our parental Instincts to know when a child is slipping away into a darker world.

To me, Death looked like a warm fuzzy blanket that would protect me from harsh realities. I found it in pills and liquor. My friends would sleep on the floor outside my bathroom where I fled to be alone; because they were afraid I would OD.

Satan is a hunter of Souls. Christian parents even, need to be in tune to that child. Pray, FAST, and be well informed about Spiritual Warfare. Listen to Derek Prince on YouTube. Type in: spiritual warfare. He uses art sometimes to get his points across, stronger. Yes. Some demons look like that. One night I turned my head and saw an apparition, that was a 6 ft tall refrigerator shaped thing with branches, in the bedroom closet. I was saved by that time, and I bound and cast it out and forbid it's return! In Jesus Name! Get loud.

To the Christian who knows spiritual warfare; we can make those things leave. You can surround the child with prayer and protection. YOU ask the Holy Spirit for the GIFT of discerning of spirits. Google that. If you don't think music is Dark; listen to Tool.

Read the lyrics. Satan WAS an archangel of music. Still is. Learn these things and minister to kids and their parents. Ask Jesus; Ask Holy Spirit to teach you WAR. Stay in touch.

Where's the email?

I'm not asking for myself! Personally, I wouldn't do it...not Good. I witnessed a young woman 12yrs. Old committ SUICIDE by Hanging herself! It was a very Sad thing to see. The girl was only 12. I'm just wondering if you guys believe in maybe an age of accountability?

Good answer ...

Samson is the role model of lost. He is fall in Love and revealed his secret of strength. At the end of his life, there is a chance for him to destroy Belistines. In order Samson had in love with a Belistine woman, he wants to die with them(which is not a correct decision).

My email just lost my reply. I'll write it again this evening. Until then...

Take Jesus's life; not your own. Have you given him a chance to show you what your life can be?

Tell me what's going on, no matter what. I've been through what you're going through, too. You came to the right place.

Andrew, May I suggest you study the life of Samson before you try to teach people about suicide being an unpardonable sin.

Judges Chapter 16:27 Now the house was full of men and women; and all the lords of the Philistines [were] there; and [there were] upon the roof about three thousand men and women, that beheld while Samson made sport.

28 And Samson called unto the LORD, and said, O Lord GOD, remember me, I pray thee, and strengthen me, I pray thee, only this once, O God, that I may be at once avenged of the Philistines for my two eyes.

(Samson asked the Lord for strength to kill himself and the philistines)

29 And Samson took hold of the two middle pillars upon which the house stood, and on which it was borne up, of the one with his right hand, and of the other with his left.

30 And Samson said, Let me die with the Philistines. And he bowed himself with [all his] might; and the house fell upon the lords, and upon all the people that [were] therein. So the dead which he slew at his death were more than [they] which he slew in his life.

Hebrews Chapter 11:31 By faith the harlot Rahab perished not with them that believed not, when she had received the spies with peace.

32 And what shall I more say? for the time would fail me to tell of Gedeon, and [of] Barak, and [of] SAMSON Samson, and [of] Jephthae; [of] David also, and Samuel, and [of] the prophets:

33 Who through FAITH faith subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions,

Samson committed suicide and he is in the Hebrews hall of faith.

God is the judge. But for someone to willingly kill themselves seems to be in defiance of God. It's destroying God's creation and God's holy temple. 1 Corinthians 6:19. It's also murder, which is one of the ten commandments. The Bible doesn't say specifically about suicide being forgiven or not, but God is a fair judge and knows the heart and will judge accordingly. I personally would not risk doing it, even if I'm struggling with my health. If in a coma and on a ventilator, dependent on a machine to live for a long period of time and bankrupting the family, I personally don't believe withdrawing such support (passive euthanasia) would be murder in my opinion. That is a situation I would pray intensely about.

No. If a person commit sucide, he will not enter the kingdom of God. Each we may do a small mistake. But when we seek earnestly for God to forgive that sin, He will forgive you.

If a person commit sucide he will not enter eternal life.

Can a Christian committ SUICIDE and still be Saved after they Die?

You don't get saved with religion. Period. It takes RELATIONSHIP with Jesus your SAVIOR. Religion won't heal you; it won't find jobs; it can't save your soul from hell.

Repent. Take up your cross. Follow Jesus daily. Not just on Sunday.

Matthew 24:51, 25:12, 25:33

Have you asked and received the Holy Spirit since you believed?

21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.

Note: GOD seriousness is so great about the destruction of this Babylon, therefore HE allows HIS angel to go into specific details for us to know the destruction will be quick & violently for this Babylon. The Angel gives an example of how quick & violence the destruction shall be, see verse 8, 21; example; imagine a giant 20,000 pound stone /rock being dropped into the ocean from an airplane; it will hit the water with a very powerful force and very quickly disappear, sinking to the deepest part /bottom of the ocean to never be found again.

Though this Babylon /a evil system is forever destroyed, all us who rightly applied John 3:16-21 is secured, thereby Shall be at the Marriage Supper Of The Lamb.

20 Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for GOD hath avenged you on her.

JEHOVAH /GOD takes all responsibility for this destruction of Babylon The Great, so what can a human say about this final decision of JEHOVAH /GOD in this or such matters as this. We live in a day /2020 where most humans have set ourselves as a judge over GOD, and forgetting GOD's POWER created the dust of the ground and all us are the descendants from HIS dust of the ground; so HE has authority to return Babylon /us back to dust of the ground at HIS WILL. Knowing GOD's WILL /WORD is so important for us because IT contain SALVATION, see John 3:16-21. This SALVATION reserve a seat at the Marriage Supper Of The LAMB for those who rightly apply John 3:16-21.

11-19 explains, though she was very blessed by Jehovah /GOD, she as a whole loved and included sins into her, see verse 5. 11-19 explains how she filled the void of the world especially pretending to be a defender of life, liberty, , she was blessed by GOD to be a light to the world and to sit as Queen of global commerce, thereby Merchant sailed to her from around the world to buy & sell & sell and buy, causing her money to become great globally, and her money sailed around the world into every country or king's treasury. But in one hour so great riches is come to nought because of her sins. Her money printing machines SHALL go up in smoke and everybody on earth shall be broken-heated,see verse 11. Somewhere it is said the LOVE of money is the root Thank GOD for verses such as John 3:16-21, thereby all who will, can obtain SALVATION.

9-10 and the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning, Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.

Note: remember verse 4 has declared these plagues on Babylon the great because of the fornication or sinful relationships between Babylon the great and the kings of the earth. As seen in 9-10 the destruction of her is quick, 1 hour.

during this event notice the kings of the earth are spared, never-the-less they are standing at a safe distance watching the smoke and burning coming from Babylon the great.

4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, come out of her my people, that ye be not

partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues

Note: before the plagues are released on her or Babylon the great, there is a WARNING from HEAVEN by way of a VOICE. The VOICE is directed to a specific group of people in her or Babylon the great, and this VOICE says "Come out of her my people that ye be not partakers of her sins and that ye receive not of her plagues".

In verse 8 we see the plagues that shall be released on Babylon the great.

5 speaks very, very, clearly.

6 speaks very, very, clearly.

7 speaks very, very, clearly.

8 speaks very, very, clearly.

Note: with one's SALVATION secured through verses such as John 3:16-21 we can ask GOD for the strength to obey the VOICE... another not by sight but FAITH event.