Revelation Chapter 20 Discussion Page 2

Amen and Amen Sister Kay:

Concerning the tribulation of some in other parts of the world, and possible here in the USA.

There go I, but by the GRACE OF GOD.

GOD'S WORK'S are past finding out.

God Bless You!

As far as being 'worthy to escape' - that doesn't necessarily mean 'escaping' out of this world. Some commentators say this verse refers to the believing Jews who escaped the destruction of Jerusalem. They heeded Christ's warning, and when they saw the armies of Rome amassing, they high-tailed it out of the area!



Other examples of 'escape' -

The three Hebrew children 'escaped' - AFTER being thrown in the fire! Their being kept IN the fire WAS their 'escape'.

Noah 'escaped' the flood...but he endured a lot while building the ark and weathering the storm!

Peter 'escaped' Herod by an angel on time - but had to survive being arrested, just the same.

We have been, are, and will yet be kept from many harms...but other tribulations appointed by God, we must endure, knowing that IN them and THROUGH them, by God's power, we 'escape' danger to our souls.

We so want physical escape; we so want to be spared troubles. That's natural!! No one wants them! Yet, Jesus said that the tribulation will try EVERY person!! Peter told us about the 'trying of our faith', and not to be amazed at 'FIERY trials'. These are the very things that prove if we have true, saving faith, and if we have it - these purify it! In a way, it's a blessing to be tested here, and have our faith tried, so that we ourselves have the confidence that it is real and true and of God!

None of us in the US have been in TRULY fiery trials. HARD ones, to be sure, but fiery...not so much. Why do I say this? Because I've read Foxe's Book of Martyrs; I've read about what, i.e., Chinese Christians have, and do suffer...or what Christians in Muslim countries endure and......oh brethren...we haven't suffered ANYTHING...yet. Let us cry to the Almighty for strength, that no matter WHAT He sees fit to bring us through, we will rest ON Him and in Him! Amen! HE will uphold us by His grace! He has promised to save us to the uttermost! Let us trust on Him no matter what!

Hi all siblings. Today I came across some words that Jesus says in Mark 13. See in the passage The Son of Man comes verses Mark 13:24-27

We must all understand now i think, we are in this time. But there is no consolation: for it is getting worse.

Here I ask you all to be careful. Ever since my 1st day as an adult Jesus saved. Have i thought that this promotion has rubbed something terrible in my heart and ears. Something that is clear and should be for everyone is the following:

When Jesus comes, He will not kill us first. He wants to take us home to Him, right? Then those who live will be promoted! When Jesus tells as Matthew 24:12 writes, it becomes an explanation of what will happen when He returns. If we read this in its entirety, we will see the passage of the Son of Man Matthew 24:29-31

Then Jesus tells afterwards that one is taken away and one is let back. See this dear friends. Do not be fooled by anyone who has received great revelations about this. Someone has changed these sections. We chosen righteous will be with the end. But in the end, He comes as we wait. Then someone joins up to heaven. Only those who have Oil on their lamps.

We live in that time for the mark of the beast and have done so for a long time see Revelation 13:15 to give breath to the mark of the beast.

When we talk about TV and internet pc also further. I just have to say from my place: Have we not become quite strangely addicted to this vivid picture? I know of fine Christian Believers who sit in front of the TV screen every hour of the day! It's a shame, but they calm it down it's innocent. That's it not! They sit at home in their own living rooms and get scared, fearing all sorts of strange things. Agree with this: Does not such a thing take us away from the Lord?

Another key thing: Why did Jesus say it was accomplished when He had to give up His Spirit on the cross? Stay blessed in Jesus Name.

Simplebeliever,

I'm sorry if I am misunderstanding your post, but it seems a little contradicting to me, mainly your opening remark that true believers will go through the Tribulation, and your closing remark that there will be a taking away or Rapture for all believers but it will be that they may not "endure the Wrath of God before the final destruction of the Enemy.

Can you please explain?

If it helps, Revelation 20:4 is not referring to the church, but unbelievers who were left behind. They rejected the mark of the beast after being persuaded by the angelic preaching of the gospel, and the gospel of the 144,000. They will be beheaded, but they'll be with Christ.

Dear Simplebeliever

Please read Luke 21:34-36.

"34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.

35 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.

36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man."

Pay attention to verse 34. Jesus talks to His disciples. How, we christians, are of a danger to drift away from God and be unprepared due to the cares of this world when during the times of antichrist Christians are going to hide themselves to save their lifes and suffer because they will not accept the mark? How could we have cares at that time? If smd won't accept the mark he could not work, sell or buy. How can then care about this life? Care while suffering and getting beheaded by antichrist? Getting drunk while in danger? Doesn't make sense It is obvious that rapture will occur at some other time when people live an ordinary life.

Also pay attention to verse 36. Jesus tells us to pray to escape from all those sufferings and stand in front of God, not go through them.

HBU

Rev. 20 verse 4 makes it totally clear in simple language that true believers will go through Tribulation, refuse the mark of the beast, die by beheading and rule and reign with Christ for 1,000 years. They will not be saved by some movie fable rapture or taken away prematurely. The pre-tribulation rapture is a total Satanic lie that will create the "great falling away" of wannabe believers who will be discouraged when the movies and lies are shown to be wrong . They will have to face the endurance and death of refusing the mark. Satan's followers will not "fall away from Christ" but those weak believers will say the Gospel they were preached must have been a lie ; give up and wear the mark and fall away. Yes there will be a taking away or Rapture for all believers but it will be that they may not "endure the Wrath of God before the final destruction of of the Enemy.

Psalms 119:99, Isaiah 43:27, 1Timothy 1:7, 2Peter 2:1,

2Timothy 2:1-5, Psalms 102:12, 2Thessalonians 1:4,

Hopefully these are helpful

Sounds like God used you to plant seed in the hearts of your classmates and your teacher. They will remember your words especially in eternity, if they do not repent and believe. If you suffer ridicule or worse then rejoice!

Matthew 5:11-13

Blessed are you when they revile and persecute you for His name sake.

But you definitely planted a seed in the hearts of everyone listening. Even though you can't see it in the moment, some will end up believing later because of you. Stand for Jesus and He will stand for you! God bless and keep you Rebecca!

Hello Rebecca

I think you did the right thing by speaking up to your teacher. Whether or not this teacher is open to receiving God's truth is up to the teacher, (and the other scoffers). You can now know more about this teacher and your classmates. Those who stood with you are good people to hang with.

I guess it depends on what your teacher is supposed to be teaching . If they are supposed to be teaching religious instruction then I don't think they are doing a good job . If they are not teaching religious instruction then why are they talking about religious matters in class ? Everyone is entitled to their own opinion . Teachers should not use their position of authority to try to influence people on subjects that they are not teaching . You don't say how old you are , I think you have to be over 21 to post on this site . In life you will meet lots of people who believe all kinds of things and you may disagree with them , you won't be able to change everyone's mind about everything . You can always try but don't get too down hearted if you fail . Some people just don't want to know and you have to respect that . Whatever you do you need to do it out of love and with lots of patience and you will also have to learn to know when to stop . As long as you know the Truth and stick with God and with Jesus and try to influence others by giving them and being , a good example of a Christian to them , this is the best thing for you . Remember ! It's 21 on here .

If you have a teacher who is saying and telling my classmates that heaven and hell are not real. what should I do when I tried to inform her about the correct thing she scoffed and did not even let me finish fortunately 2 classmates of mine helped me out but the others laughed and I know that only the Holy Spirited can sway their feelings as well as their thoughts but something inside of me want to inform them of the correct information.

What should I do?

I agree, it is referring to a region that was settled in that time by those descended from Gog and Magog, which was most likely in northern Anatolia and around the Black and Caspian Seas. But in these times, The descendants of Gog and Magog may be further north or northeast of northwest of Anatolia. But it is very likely that God and Magog now is most likely Russia and surrounding areas.

Rev 20 : 7 talking about Gog and Magog does not mean that is the name of the war does

It . It is referring the large area of the country . Thank you

James 1:5-7, John 16:13-15, Proverbs 2:1-12, 2 Timothy 3:16, Deuteronomy 30:10-12, Matthew 13:44, hopefully these encourage you.

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Who to trust & how can ever know??

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Help! Thx

This may actually be the differences in calendar years. I have recently been learning the differences in calendars. Todays USA calendar is different from the Jewish calendar, & even the Jewish calendar is different than originally. Hopefully that's helpful.

Proverbs 25:2

Proverbs 2:4

Matthew 13:11

Hey studying Revelation.

I agree with the study bible, the one I use has relating scripture in the middle and the scripture is half the page and commentaries on the bottom half. I love it you can study one page for hours for every time you go to another relative scripture it has more relating verses that will carry you all over the Bible.

I just listed two reasons that revelation is hard, it is made up of visions John was given and some of the visions are different, but are about the same event, but are in different parts of the book. And some things have not been revealed like the seven thunders John was told not to write and seal up.

I guess you are referring to Isaiah 24 on the upside-down, I don't see it fitting Genesis, maybe. I do agree with the last generation, whenever that will be, they may be shown what we cannot see now, if we die before it starts, we will wake up, and there we will be with Jesus.

God bless,

RLW

Revelation gets a little easier to read with a STUDY BIBLE.

The kind that have CENTER OF EACH PAGE, Reference Columns. There are tiny abc's Within the scriptures on each page; that match to the ones in the center reference column.

They point us forward or backward to other relevant scriptures or prophesies (fulfilled or unfulfilled)

I don't care for the study Bibles that use the bottom of the page, or the sides.

Revelation is using many references to other scriptures. A serious student needs one of these.

I have to have many spiral notebooks to guide me in these referenced scriptures. I title it with what is happening in the Revelation scriptures.

That is how I discovered that God had turned the earth upside down. Which may be the way Genesis began. That's one of those studies that I choose to leave in Gods hands.

If He had wanted us to know what happened 2 Billion years ago; He would have included a book and chapters for it in the Bible. OR.maybe He was waiting on the children in the Book of Daniel; a generation that would be alive during "the Time of the End". Daniel 12:9-10 Wise children.

Daniel 1:17

Children who walk with the Holy Spirit. Able to despise all for to be the Lords servants. You can't love this world that will pass away. Love the God who is going to destroy this world and then restore it. Back to what it was when Adam was put in it.

Who would have the power of the key to the bottomless pit and give permission to use? Jesus in Revelation 1:18 had the keys of hell and death and is alive evermore. The Revelation the Lamb is worthy to open the seals thereof. Revelation 5:9-10 And they sang a new song, saying Though are worthy to take the book, and open the seals thereof: for though was slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

Revelation 9:1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and him was given the key of the bottomless pit. Revelation 20:1 says: And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

One stronger than Satan and all other evil spirits could and did bound this bottomless pit by the power of the resurrection. This is the completed Work of Christ for those who could now look to Jesus as the author and finisher of their faith and be saved from the dominion of death and hell with Satan and his evil spirits.

The Kingdom of Christ could now come down from heaven to dwell among men. Saved children of God on earth could become citizens of the Kingdom instead of as aliens without the gate.

The same citizens could now reign with Jesus for a thousand years. These citizens of the Kingdom can pray intercessory prayers and sing a pure praise to the Lord.

So another view is the 1000 years is the Gospel era. The loosing of Satan towards the end of time will help clarify the Kingdom of Heaven from the kingdom of the world. This present Kingdom view is peaceable and is contained in all the doctrines of the Bible including turning swords into ploweshares.

Shellon Hooten,

Revelation is hard, for one, it is not in chronological order, and not all has been revealed to us. Pray and keep in mind there are answers we may never be given. At this time there have been 3.5 years of tribulation by Satan, the beast, the false prophet, and the great whore Babylon, and Babylon was just destroyed by the ten kings/countries of the beast. ( Revelation 17, 18).

These same ten kings/kingdoms/countries will make war with Jesus, ( Revelation 17:14). They were rejoicing in heaven and "his wife hath made herself ready" and "Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb" ( Revelation 19:1-10).

In ( Revelation 19:11-21) we see Jesus coming with his armies, ( Matthew 25:31) that were in heaven, and the call to the fowls to gather to the supper of the great God. ( Ezekiel 39: 17-20) There are more scriptures on the coming of Jesus, ( Matthew 24: 29-31) ( Mark 13:24-27) ( 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17), and more. The beast and false prophet are cast into the lake of fire and the remnant of the armies are destroyed by the sword proceeding out of the mouth of Jesus. The power of His word wiped them out.

Then in Revelation 20, Satan is locked in the bottomless pit, to be there for one thousand years, and Jesus sets up His Kingdom and the camp of the saints. So scripture tells us when Jesus returns with all His holy angels/armies, He sends angels to gather His elect. Who are in this first resurrection? The description of them is in ( Revelation 20:4). Are they all that will be saved? Are they the most loyal elect that is given this honor? The key is the white throne judgment, is it only for the lost as taught? Why is the book of life opened ( Revelation 20:12)? Should we not consider ( Matthew 25:31-46) ( John 5:28-29) ( Acts 24:15). Do we overlook ( Revelation 20:15)?

I know this does not answer your question, if it can be answered, but may it inspire study.

God bless,

RLW

Again, reading the Commentaries are helpful.

Google: BIBLEHUB dot com

Revelation is sometimes hard to sort out. I find it easier to go with what is written in the Bible.

When the Father releases the Son to go get His Bride (called, CAUGHT UP IN THE CLOUDS)

1. Jesus already has Saints in heaven that died long ago. From Genesis until the present day.

During the Caught Up, Jesus resurrects the dead in Christ. They named Jesus as their Lord and Savior; prior to death.

2. Christ Followers, alive upon earth, will be Caught Up in the clouds, 2nd.

Believers will receive their resurrection bodies and white robes.

I very much trust what I have learned about Jesus thus far. I trust, I follow. I don't need to know every detail of what happens next.

As the Bride of Christ, we have already entered into Covenant with Him. We're engaged. We've been personally invited to attend the Marriage Supper. Only those who accepted the invitation may attend.

I'm one of those people that says stuff like; here's where we are now; and here is where we're going. Criticizing doesn't alter Focus. I know in whom I have believed and love. I don't need an itinerary. It's in the Bible.

It's very human to want to know what happens next. Faith says, I'm All In. Jesus said often, Follow Me. I hope this can quell some of those fears of the "Unknown". I do not believe anyone is going to get lost.

For me now, I keep my faith eyes on Jesus and do as best I can, to follow His known will. If sin pops up, I kick it to the curb, and keep following.

I don't enjoy arguing. I love seeing me produce the fruits of the Holy Spirit. Keep my mind anchored to whatever is pure, lovely and of good report.

The Commander of the Host leads, and everyone follows Him. Don't fret the details. Trust Jesus implicitly. Read of Gideon and how God worked all that presupposition out of him. I love that story!

Mishael

"But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection." What do this mean exactly? who are the these people?

The Hebrew word for hand is Yad, the def. also includes the arm! So this vaccine is called ( world order ) WO 202020 060606 by Bill Gates who developed it! Red flag no. 1, Red flag no. 2 It contains a luminescent chemical called Luciferase! Red flag no.3 it changes your God given DNA by deleting it with messenger RNA! This is the fallen angels trying to mingle the iron with the clay from Daniel! This "gene therapy" is full of nanotech graphene oxide it's in the hydrogel delivery system of the injection! It doesn't even qualify as a vaccine according to the FDA or CDC standards! Moderna and Pfizer admit that they are hacking the human genome! They say they are downloading an operating system into human beings! When a vaxxed person puts their arm and hand under a black light , their entire arm lights up! People have scanned their arm and their number shows up on the screen!

Tom Any action in life that is done in repetition that is sin is in the category of seared conscience because a person does it not feeling a sense of right or wrong when doing it. Eventually it gets to feeling normal and the mind justifies the action not believing its wrong. A clear conscience is produced by endeavoring to line up our actions with scripture I.E. living it. We endeavor to walk with a clear conscience toward God.

Romans chapter 1, all of it.

I don't have to comment on this. The scriptures are plain enough.

If you don't have a Bible, this website does. It's on the red page that google opened.

I like Isaiah 7:9, where it states If you don't stand firm in the Faith you won't stand at all..so stand firm my brother..

Hi Tom.

1 Corinthians 6:9-11. Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor( EFFEMINATE,) nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Notice verse 11.

Verse 11: AND SUCH "WERE" SOME OF YOU: BUT YE ARE WASHED, BUT YE ARE SANCTIFIED, BUT YE ARE JUSTIFIED IN THE NAME OF THE LORD JESUS, AND BY THE SPIRIT OF OUR GOD.

So shall we continue in sin?

Romans 6:1-7. What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

For he that is dead is freed from sin.

This is something one can be freed from, atleast a repented heart.

I hope this helps,

God bless.

I obtained the above information about the Mark of the Beast from a Book called Revelation & Charts, by J.J. Como, it was a picture and a short story of a PLO, who had converted to Christ, it is on page #26..Just for your info..

Hello, keep in mind that all sin leads to death. Only through Jesus do we have hope for eternal life in heaven. And that doesn't mean it's a pass to commit sin as some assume, but we are to put away the old sinful self and become slaves to righteousness. Doing good is good. Some people falsely claim that doing bad is better than doing good and we know where that comes from. God bless.

1 Corinthians 6:9-11

Leviticus 20:13

Romans 3:23

Acts 2:38

Where in the Bible does it say that homosexuals will not go to heaven?