Revelation Chapter 22 Discussion Page 18

The Spirit And The Bride Say, Come

17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely. Rev 22

In these last days before the return of Jesus Christ the Spirit and Church are saying the same thing, Come. There is a spirit of invitation, a spirit of grace, a spirit of love reaching out from the church to whosoever will!

Will you come?

There are many different religions and denominations of Christianity. But the only people who are working correctly with the Spirit of God are the ones reaching out in love to others. This reaching out does not mean we are to fellowship sin, no! We are to reach out to every blood washed one, every child of God, every person who had accepted Jesus Christ as their Savior.

Are YOU reaching out to others in LOVE?

Yes, it is the fulfillment of the prophesy of our God that there are so many doctrines, people will add and take away his true doctrines. If this will not be happened the prophesy of the word of God is wrong. So, we the believers must read the bible and ask God his Holy Spirit to enlighten us in our study. Original King James Bible 1611, the whole writings is synonymous to the first bible of the Roman Catholic made in edition more than 1500 hundreds that they called Latin Volgate. These two bibles compared the writings are of the same, even though they are not copying each other. What a wonderful is God is, the contents of the two bibles is the same in meaning. In Rev. 14:6 - was the fulfillment of every nation to read and understand the bible because the bible was translated and written in our owned language.

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Hi Charles, yes, the Bible says we're not to add or change it, but translating is not intended to change meaning, but simply let you read it in your own language you understand. There are reasons for various translations. Here are three...

1. The Bible was not originally written in English, so unless you plan on learning to read Greek, Hebrew and Latin, then we need a translation.

2. When translated, not all words perfectly match. For example, English has one word for love, but Greek has several. So, when scholars translate they sometimes have slightly different interpretations of what it is. It's not significant, just very minor differences.

3. Languages evolve, so some newer translations are made to accommodate that. The English language is not the same as it was in the 1600s for instance. So, when people read the 1611 King James Bible, spelling and grammar appear to be incorrect, but the language was different then (they would think the same about our language today).

I dont understand why people still make different translations of the Bible when the Bible says not to change it

@ Florence L. Salgaod - No, it is not ok to change the words in the Bible. It is prefect the way it is, there is no need to change it. It was inspirered by God, therefore it has to be perfect!

- God Bless You!!

@Sten Hansen - Just sayin' you don't know when its "all over" ONLY God knows. Jesus don't even know, He is sitting at the right hand of God waiting for God to say go get my children. :)

- God Bless You!!

I saw previous comments on man. Someone was saying instead of man we have to include woman human etc. I say nothing should be included. Because revelation is perfect. In this new testament times we have power and wisdom of Holy spirit to understand the Holy Bible. Man is perfect word it got biblical meaning. Need to understand man also bride to the Bride Groom(JESUS CHRIST). Never include any bit and receive curse. God is not partiality. we think we are too wise. I never compromise Holy Bible particularly. Let us know our limits.

Florence:
Let me frase a poem from "old time" when the Human changed into something, which the Revalation is the result of.
Whats New - Man has got a Hard time
Who Triumphed - Man's Creator Great
What's New - The Holy Saints retreat
Where - To the Blessed Holy Seat
What's New - The World is Saved again
How so - Yea, through Jesus' pain
What's New - The Heaven has opened it's door
To whom Now - to the one's the Cross Adore.

That's why it is all over in the year 2016 and not 2012 as the "Mayan" says.

I am still trying 2 get an answer on when and if it is ok to substitute (change) words in a scripture when quoting a scripture, i.e.
"Man" replaced with "They" reason for this is that it makes the scripture to include woman, not just Man, Ps 34:8 "...blessed is the man that trusteth in him" "..." are they "
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@Florence and Believer's comment

:o)
By the way - Thee is the wery old word for "man", which is a short term for "man-kind". You know - Human Beings which contains both woman and man.
"Wo-man" - the mankind who gives Birth
"Man" - the mankind who makes is possible

But what about my Gold?

Question: When/or is it ok to change words in a scripture? I.E. from the word man to they, so it will include not just man but women also

@Believer
You ARE in Heaven - You appear in the Garden - but only man makes it hell.
Thats why it has to stop, because of the fact, that man not just destroy "itself" but everything around.
When you dream at Night - you know that I'm right, which offcourse is of no surprise.

@Aly
Well - you got some of it right, but be aware of the Devil in your "satisfaction".

The Devil likes to appear as the Holy - but only the few can recognize the truth.

Revelation?? I'll give you revelation if you do not give me you most "loved". Really - I do not want your Soul, I allready got it. I want the Money that you dearly keep by your Heart.
You have been giving the data - Now the Ball in on your Corner.

@Believer............It may mean that God is the First and the Last God, Lord or ruler. The ultimate and only authority. That is just my view point, but it makes sense to me. :)

@Believer
Who do you believe??
What do you believe??
As I see it, you do not want God to intervent problems, because God is the ruler of Life and Dead. The Ten Commentments - which was given to Moses, was the most simple rules for human Kind to follow.
No one took notice - so therefore his son Jesus was sent til Earth to give you and excample for living af decent life as Human.
A needed development in the understanding for the power of the force of the Humand mind.
You still cry out for the whip.
Well - taste it.
The Islam belief still denies to grow into a personel and individual respect.
You want sanctions, punishment, laws, models to follow.
Why??
If you really believe in God - you have learned, that God is in contact with everyone of you. In your dreams. In your senses and in your behaviour and most of all, in your understanding of the fact, that God is of no Human flesh.
The "bibles" have tried to tell you that. The Gospels tell you - in a language told even in pictures - what you should do.
I've decided that 2016 (not 2012 as the Mayan say), is the final countdown.
You seek and live for Gold(money). Now you again have a choice.
Spread the word.

If God is the first AND last, how are we not also the last along with God? I hate not knowing things that one can only know and understand once you get to heaven. It really, really bugs me.

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@Jonathan
That is your right. If you believe in only one - there is only one.
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I believe that is written in Revelations is very true. I do not believe in having any other bible. Only one everyone should have is the King James Version

As for "those words" and the development for a new "North-Bible" the fight were given. Queen Margrete 1. and the new "religion" had to be implemented in the Occult wisdom of life, which were the pagan's reason.
The plans were dropped - and the Bible got the "picture" as we know it today. Also the time about King James were excluded
A manifestation of the words, that the winner alvways make the history - but sometimes there are even Gold in dirt

And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and [from] the things which are written in this book.

@Craig
Who has given you "the right" to plant seed for "batle between Stars"
??

@Hanne

NONE of them.
If you refre to the oldest "paper" I do not know :o) - but perhaps you should read further...
You see - there are thourgt's of an philosofi of earlier thourghts, which also was written. Those symbols "writing" are again a believe, which also were forced on the human brain to comprehend accept and obey.
But in the (?) there's only one to decid and that's is an "consious"-"thing" and a behavior-"thing" which is planted in the understanding of an understanding of the force of human kind - placed by an suprime understandness of the need for every atom and the compacity to accept that placed im a body like the human kind.
Is'nt that beautyfull??
Only human kind has the force to see the "its-self" an can behave accordingly.
Or not??
The human kind has broken every seal in each one and there's nothing to build on. The human kind has - again - broken the most secret seal - and that is trying to get involve in things "which" are and not "for human-kind-to be" and that is sience in "being man" and not reponding to "why" i'm acting.
The Bible - which ? - has the "force" to guide and not to obey. Still it is, that "thinking" is an absolut world, which - again - is a matter between "of the beholder and God".
But you can make "Gold" by twisting those "holy matter's" - so therefore you see (I hope) - that we make more "Engle" than "Devils". Orh - sorry - the other way around"
Every bibel has in the "end" - "and If you do not choose the common-power giving by the human-to-human-way, you are to be punished or even excludet off the "force" and therefore are to be the "animal" on which "laws" are buildt.
The Astal-way goes both ways.
Every "being" has it's own star - and some of them are "at a distance" and the "feeling" has gravity to make a "great deal of problems" in the Human brain to comprehend.
The Bibel also "speaks" about development build on acceptance, respect and love between "individual's".
Every "star" has it's own "sun" to shine.
Pandora - because of the distance.

Life is when you respond to the spirit which given to you by the planet your own.

Now'a'days the word should be in respect of that or they/we are expelled in the universe and therefore as a "human".
A bibel is a "step-to-step" contact between this "star" given on Earth to live a life as an individual

So if you ask me, which one of the Bibel's that are most "Natural" - King James - ofcourse, thoug it is "not written" on so many different "understanding of spirit"
:o)

which of these translations is the original translation----wycliffe or king james

Craig. I'm not a muslim or a person, who is founded in Islam.
I feel mostly Jewish - but according to history I'm also to Catholics, Cristian, Pagen and Heathens, devils and Angels.
When a person comes to me and tell me, that he has a thing, which is holy for him. I even that "lucky", that the "Holy thing" is a book which I can read.
I just - also - believe a truht, which is beyond the truth, which was to be respectet as "the only truht". Prejudice and Lies - you have to dicover in all It's glory. :o)

The entirety of the book of Revelation is the revealing of God,s nature; God,s love; God,s mercy; and ultimately God,s Judgement on mankind for unrepentant sinful living! Jesus who is God in the flesh;( read first chapter of John); who gave his life up as a living sacrifice on the cross; is the same Jesus who is revealing his true nature; which is multi-faceted; and perfect! Therefore he is telling and encouraging us; that if we accept his free gift of everlasting life, we have nothing to worry about; but if we live in rebellion against him; we will suffer eternal death! For God is perfect and rightious; and sin can not look on the face of God and survive. He is tellin us that the rightious better remain rightious; or they will suffer his wrath; because all sin; (rebellion against God); must be judged; because that is what a perfect God has to demand. That is why he came down from heaven in a human body (Jesus); and made himself the living sacrifice for our sins; once and for all! We could never attain Heaven otherwise; since it took a perfect sacrifice (Jesus); for our forgiveness. Therefore everyone who accepts this perfect sacrifice; is perfected in God,s sight; and can therefore enter into Heaven. We are justified in his sight then; because we have accepted his death on the cross; instead of our deserved eternal death; hell; and the lake of fire; where Satan and the fallen angels; who rebelled against God; and tried to overthrow God and his kingdom; will reside forever and ever! God never meant for man to go to Hell. Hell was created for Satan (lucifer); and the other rebellious angels; to separate their rebellious evil spirits; from the rightious spirits of forgiven humans; and obedient Angels! This is the Good news! We have passed from eternal death to eternal life! The king james bible is the true holy spirit; inspired word of God; factually backed up by The Dead Sea Scroll Manuscripts discovered in caves in 1948 by a young man in a cave.(look up on google). Previous comments on this book of revelation by Steen (the muslim that called the unholy (Qur-an) holy; are unfounded and untrue. The unholy Qur-an or Koran as it is also known; is a book filled with hate and murder against all who don,t believe that allah is god! Mohammed; their prophet; wasn,t even born until the ninth century A.D. There has never been another human being who has risen from the Dead; but Jesus. That,s because like the egyptian pharoahs; who worshipped pagen false gods; their faith is based on nothing that can be factually backed up or prove! I think we all know that our true God (Jesus) is a God of love and forgiveness to those who accept it). The muslim faith is about killing the infidels ( all non-muslims) and taking over the world by any means necessary; including Jihad (unholy war; not holy as they say. Only the true God (Jesus is holy)! He is going to dstroy this evil world system soon and set up his eternal; rightious government! He is coming very very soon! Those who want everlasting life better choose Jesus soon; before it is too late. The false god (allah); and the false book; based on false teachings of Mohammed will not save you on judgement day; when every knee shall bow before almighty God; and every tongue confess that Jesus; (the only Messiah); is Lord of All!!!

sure the time is at hand,all the signs in the world show,daily events potray that the Lord is standing at the door waiting for us to repent and fully acknowledge Him as Our Saviour.its upon us to choose to be unjust,filthy or righteous.

Futhermore - :o)
I do believe in the King of Solomon, which gave us David.
I do believe in GOD and his son Jesus.
I do believe in the Holy Qur-An
I do believe in fathers and Sons/daughters and I do believe in Love.

But look around.
The Human Being has forsaken its own being for Gold etc.
Easyly we slaughter - just because we can.
We slaughter for space to grow by increasing the space of others. Not because hunger etc. but just for fun and the thoughts of a eternal life.
Who - in the end - has the power of life and dead?

For Marlon.
Please read it again, and comprehend that the words are written by someone who wants to testify, that he believe to be a "message from GOD"
If it should be a King (James) he denies the truth of the individual and wants to place his own instead.
You write "anything which is not written belongs to GOD" Nevertheless the written words should be GOD's ??
Power - real Power - is not taken, but given which also make a point. 22.18 talks about Power from an individual who just wants more Gold.
Thats why the revelation is unfinished.

I too have studied a lot of scripts conserning thems of religion. Stories written down to place the King, government or just the Power at the place, where common people were to look up, listen and obey. For about 2000 years ago something happend with the belief of man. Suddenly it became obvious, that many things were to be solved, if the individual had til capacity to look inside "the self" and from there take the steps to come forward. Earlier it was custom to look at the King, Empeour etc. as a God - and when the "holy" was dead - you ate some of him and used the bones as a "holy thing". You also believed, that the Earth was flat.
At the time around Jesus, there was some Irish Munks, who placed individuals in very small rooms. No connection with the outside world. Just the needed food. The found out, that the Human Brain was empty - and not empty.I believe that you still keep the brain of the deceased Jesus in a Bowl - somewhere.
Well - anyway. You can read that much, that your head is spinning - and still you do not know anything.
But you can only be sure of one thing. That is, that the "things" you are reading, is someone elses thoughts and doing. For seeking - you have to not only read - but even look at the surroundings. Both Politicaly and Human-wise.