Revelation Chapter 22 Discussion Page 2

Luke,

With all due respect sir, "Caught up to meet Him" is not called a "fly by." It is what many believers call the rapture of the church. It will not be a bad day for those who believe in the rapture. The bad day will be for those who are left behind!

It's going to be a real bad day for those who think Christ is going to do a fly by.

Yes Indeed, the brightness of His coming will be so bright that it will blot out even the Sun AND the Stars, Praise God.

It's the (Caught up) to meet Him tis the part am referring to in which many misinterpret, it's good to see You don't, and it's good to know U, don't, Honey.

Rev 22 IS a fantastic chapter, Praise God.

Honey , don't let anyone steal your joy in the Lord , he is coming and you shall see him and be with him forever . God has made many beautiful promises to us and we shall be like him , this means you and me . I agree Revelation Ch 21 and 22 always cheer me up when this world is dragging me down . Rejoice in the Truth and in your Saviour . Nothing in this life can touch you if you keep your eyes on Him .

This part of God's word is misinterpreted,,, It's Satan who's first on the scene sweetie, Jesus comes after

This part of God's Word is where my hope lies. No matter what I go through before these things happen, I look forward to seeing my Savior come, receiving the full redemption of eternal life and being caught up to meet Him and forever be with my Lord!!! Hallelujah, Glory to His Name!!!

No that's not true we're going to sleep until Jesus comes, when he come then we shall rise to be judge.

Janet,

When a person dies, their body lays in the grave, but their spirit immediately goes to be with the Lord. In fact, the word death means separation. So at the point of death, a persons spirit separates from their body and goes to be with the Lord.

Read 1 Thess. 4. It is the clearest text about the Second Coming and what happens when you die. The dead come from the grave and meet the Lord in the air. Also consider this. When Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead, John 11, if he was in Heaven Jesus brought him back so the Pharases could kill him. John 12:10 Jesus said "he sleeps when He was addressing comments regarding Lazarus' death. Everyone is in the grave until the resurrection of the just or the resurrection of the unjust. John 5:28-29

Sleep:

Daniel 12:2

Job 14:12

1 Thessalonians 4:13-18

1 Corinthians 15:18-20

Matthew 9:24

Hello, the Bible says when we die we will enter a state to await Jesus's return then will face judgment all together. It's called judgment day. Matthew 12:36, Hebrews 9:27. There's no verse saying people get to skip this. There's no verse saying that all people go to heaven instantly, only to later travel back to earth into your body, then meet Jesus in the air, then to only go back to judgment after you've already been in heaven. It's not scriptural or logical and seems to require misinterpreting the following 2 verses, by cherry picking and broadly interpreting it as if it automatically represents all people and all circumstances.

"absent with body present with Lord" isn't in the Bible. That phrase has been changed from 2 Corinthians 5:8 where Paul said he would "rather" be absent from the body, and present with the Lord. He didn't say in 100% of all cases when people die that 100% of the time they will be "immediately" with the Lord, regardless. Paul was only stating his preference. It doesn't mean Hitler and other mass murderers are with the Lord right now, simply because of this one verse.

Second, people often quote the verse about the man on the cross that Jesus said would be in "paradise" on that day as support. But Jesus didn't say 100% of all people, from this moment onward will 100% go to heaven, and zero people going to hell including Hitler? Jesus has the power to make exceptions and take people to heaven, but the word paradise is not necessarily the same as heaven. Some believe this word means a waiting area for the dead.

Lastly, these are only 2 verses requiring creative interpretation, but at least 5 verses say we'll be sleeping are straightforward. Which is true? Bible says all will be judged, not just some. So, believing people go immediately to heaven without waiting on the Lord, and skipping judgment doesn't align with the other scripture either.

Yes, we go straight to Heaven when we die.

There are verses such as "absent from the body is present with the Lord" ( 2 Cor. 5:8); and others where Jesus says He isn't the God of the dead but the living ( Mark 12:27). There is mention of souls under the altar in Revelation ( Rev. 6:9-11) and the transfiguration; as well as David stating that he would not see his dead son come to him but he would go to him ( 2 Samuel 12:23). When the Rapture comes; then there will be a reuniting of souls with bodies when the dead saints are raised; then we who are alive are changed into Resurrection bodies without death ( 1 Cor. 15:51-52). The final Great White Throne judgment is for those who are in hades or what is now called hell; who are judged according to their works then thrown in the lake of fire. From my undestanding of eschatology; there could very well be those who physically survive the Millenium period and ARE written in the Book of Life.

There is more that can be said; but I felt that the focus should be on how NOW we can recognize through Christ and the new man in us what will exist someday in eternity by the power of the Holy Spirit. If we are saved; then we are new creatures; and although we see darkly as through a glass; we get a taste of things to come ( 1 Cor. 13:12). We are already spiritually "seated in heavenly places" ( Eph. 2:1-9). We become hearers of His voice; and start to sense His presence; and have the "mind of Christ" ( 1 Cor. 2:16). He has given us good works to do which no doubt will continue in heaven in some form as we are all uniquely created.

Scripture simply doesn't allow for an nihilism in any way; verses differentiate between the word "qeber" for the body in the grave and "sheol" which is the state of the soul in the O.T. after death. Now; we can go immediately into God's presence; so Satan no longer has power over our souls to keep them under the earth in the paradise part of sheol anymore HEBREWS 2:14-15! Perfect love casts out fear ( 1 John 4:18).

Janet:

remember the parable jesus gave about the poor begger that the rich man wouldn't give him the crumbs that fell from his table? moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. the begger died and was carried away into abrahams bosom, the rich man died and he was..buried; and in hell he lifted up his eyes and saw lazarus in abrahams bosom. it depends on the way you lived your life in your body (the life that god gave you!! )determines which place you spend eternity. with abraham bosom (heaven,garden of eden, paradise,the kingdom of god whatever..you surely don't want to go where that rich man that wouldn't give that begger the crumbs that fell from his table!!! hope this helps...

I like to think of the scripture absent of the Body in Presence of the Lord n the their whom owned up to his sins and Jesus told him he would be in Paradise n the one Like into the Angels we become is another fav but my favorite one is the one on The Last to go in Lake of Fire Death alit of grief I have had and almost 60 so hope you find what your looking for in ? Just felt like Sharing somewhat with what The Bible says on subject :)

2nd Corinthians 5:8 [ absent from the body is to be present with the Lord]

1st Thessalonians 5:10

1st Thessalonians 4:13-18

1st Corinthians 15th chapter

Read also about thief on the cross Luke 23: 39-43

Lazarus & the rich man Luke 16: 20-31

Could someone tell me, when you die, do you go straight to heaven, or are you "in the grave" awaiting the Lord Jesus to raise you from the dead when he comes back again? I just feel quite confused as to what happens when you die.

Many thanks,

Janet

Chapter 8 is the 7th seal, and it's speaking about the seals, Angels, and trumpets(of deception) that came before them and what happens in them.

Beginning in v7 is what happens in the first trumpet of deception, sounding now and during the hour of temptation, the consumer stage of when the locust army appears on earth and kills 1/3 of people spiritually... trees in the verse is symbolic of people,,, the trumpets are trumpets of deception,,, people are deceived into believing the anti-christ is the true Christ(the rapture), and when we worship or follow other than the true Christ, we die a spiritual death.

9:4 is when those(trees)who have received the seal of God are protected from the trumpets of deception, and The Locust Army that appears on earth during that time.

Jimmy,

Here's some things I would like to share with you. Revelation 8:6 to Chapter 11 Verse 19 gives us the description of the 7 trumpets. Revelation 8:7 is the first trumpet. The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood. It's becoming very intense! And they were cast upon the earth: and 1/3 of the trees was burnt up, as well as the grass, or green vegetation.

Only 1/3 of the trees was burnt up, so any grass that was below those trees would burn also. That would be 1/3 of the grass in that area. To make sense of Revelation 9:4, we would have to believe that not all grass on the entire earth was burnt up because it tells us the locusts were commanded not to hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing or any tree.

Here's what fascinates me. Why would God command these locusts not to hurt the green vegetation? It's because these things are the locusts' natural food. These locusts would quickly die out without the vegetation to sustain them, and God's plan was for them to live and torment those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

Revelation 9:5 says that they were to torment them for five months. Something else that's interesting is why five months? Well, five months is the actual lifespan of a locust, from May through December.

As for Revelation 22:18-19, Verse 18 is basically telling us that there are no more "new prophecies" after the book of Revelation. Anyone adding more is adding to the book. Revelation 22:19 says "if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life."

Please notice that it doesn't say the book of the Lamb. God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. We don't want to take away from the book of Revelation and make it be something else rather than what it is. It is the Revelation of Jesus Christ.

I hope this helps!

Please explain Ch. 8:7 grass burned up

then Ch 9:4 not to hurt the grass and trees

Ch. 22:18-19 Who will get added plagues and who will have taken away his part out of book of life?

Laura,

I just want to comment on the word mansion used in John 14:2 and let you know that this word mansion is not what we would normally think of when we hear the word mansion. If you want clarification on what it means, I can provide.

As for your questions, I will refrain from answering as Suze has graciously stated that she will provide you an in-depth scriptural response. I look forward to reading!

Dear Laura , that's a big question , it requires a lot of scriptural back up which I intend to do for you but not this minute , we shall be kings and priests in the Kingdom of God on earth , we shall be like him ( Jesus) it's going to be awesome ! Sometime over the next few days in going to try to answer your question more fully , please be patient with me , much love in Christ .

In the 1000 year reign here on earth, I was wondering where we will be living or staying when we are resting? Will we be like the apostles going about with Jesus without a dwelling place before the end of the 1000 year reign? I know that Jesus will take care of us at all times, I have no doubt of that, because He has always provided for me and my family here on earth. I know that the Temple of God will come down after the 1000 year reign. Will our mansions still be there when we are reigning forever with Jesus. It may not be in the Bible and I am not really worried about it, because God will have given me a glorious body when Jesus calls me up to be with Him forever. I'm mostly just curious?

Thank you for your answer to my question, May the Lord bless you today and always.

Amen, God's Blessing's on us all..

The River of water that flows into us from the new Jerusalem. Some, say this is metaphorical. Drinking only a little at first then no longer just a drink, but an unending fountain. How wonderful are His ways. Opening the eyes, and ears to see and hear! Many think John has gone off the deep end! Into the depths of metaphors!

This water John speaks of ,We cannot live without it, this water that not only feeds the body, but saturates the soul. The trees the flowers the unending meadows that hold the calves. The oceans that are full and moved at only by the moon over the horizon. This the water of life, some will never taste, some will never see! This water that comes from heaven, for the sake of you and I!

If you have tasted these things that flow so freely, than you have experienced a life that flows from the new Jerusalem!

Remember the number of gates, remember the number, so you are not deceived. Repent and be Baptized

Hello Gerry. That's an excellent question, that even some commentators fumble over. I think that the best way to look at that passage ( Revelation 22:14,15) is to also weigh in Revelation 22:10,11.

In vv 10,11, we see the Lord speaking to John to leave this great Prophecy open as the time is at hand. Those that reject Christ & continue in their wickedness will continue - those who that are sanctified, stay true to the Lord.

Then in vv 14,15, we read that John himself speaks (in-between Jesus' Words to him), confirming the blessed position of those who obey the Lord as opposed to those who are rejected for their many sins (those who are in the Lake of Fire & would never make it to that City). So, it may be that Apostle John is simply making a statement of those who have a right to the Tree of Life & those who will not be found anywhere there; and not necessarily, as it appears in our reading, that there might be evil even in this new creation of God, where sin, death, & hell are in that fiery lake. I realize that this explanation may not be received well, but if sinners were running loose at that time, it would make the other Scriptures that speak of this time & this City, erroneous.

Rev 14-15 who are those not allowed in the new city when all sinners were cast into hell?

Jeanette,

Perhaps, we don't really know. The important thing is for us to keep our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith. He endured the cross seeing the joy ahead when so many will be saved. We too, must endure whatever God allows with faith that we will not go through anything alone. Jesus said that He will never leave us nor forsake us.

He also said the one who endures (in faith) to the end will be saved.

So, be strong in the Lord and His Spirit within you. He is mighty to save and has the power and authority to overcome the enemy and all of His evil works. We are in good hands.

Covid is not an end time plague. The end time plagues are a result of nuclear attacks and advanced warfare The result of warfare leads to death disease and decay.

Dear "Jeanette barber" Please look up too Jesus Christ.

1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

He overcame death for us, and we praises Him forever, love u in Christ.

This covid 19 I believe they are plagues .. And more of them . and I believe we are living in the last days.. Jesus will be here soon.