Revelation Chapter 3 Discussion Page 4

"Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee." John 17:7.

As you have read, this Scripture portion is Christ's prayer to God His Father (often called Jesus' High Priestly Prayer). This prayer shows His Glory (vv 1-5), His love for His disciples (vv 6-19), & love for all who would belong to Him (vv 20-26).

So we see this Jesus, Who enjoyed the Glory of God even before creation, now declares to His Father that He has faithfully brought God's Truths of Himself & the Kingdom of Heaven to His disciples. These disciples have "kept Thy Word' & do understand that all that He has declared to them have come from God. Jesus only spoke the words to His disciples that were given to Him by God and they received them & know for sure that Jesus came out of God (out of God's Being or Essence) & believe that God had sent Him to them & the world (v 8).

Therefore, to answer your question: the Word of God (i.e. Divinely inspired messages), the Power of God (i.e. seen in Jesus' miracles, power over the devil, etc.), & the Wisdom of God (i.e. to know how to live that God-ordered, God-centred life which far surpassed the erroneous teaching of the Jewish religious leaders), would be what Jesus received of the Father to share with His disciples. And these disciples were then to take all that they learned from their Master, to the world (v 18-23).

The Bible says that someone born again will not do that , they could stumble but not crucify Christ afresh by putting him to open shame .

My opinion is some people are seeking God but have a hard and bumpy path in and out of sin . But they are not born again either . But they should persist until they are , call upon the Lord for mercy til they get it . Then leave sin behind .

John 17.7

What did Jesus mean here ?

Dear wild bill, If you can walk away etc. as you say, then perhaps you are believing with your head and not your heart. God will never leave you nor forsake you. He called you and saved you by his works, not yours. There is only one thing you can give God. Your love.

So, let's say... If I walk away from Christ and back to The World?/... You, are saying I can't have my name Blotted Out?/ if I commit suicide...You! say I'm still saved?/... or I leave Jesus's save hands and follow the devil saying no one can pluck them out of my hand? but I make the wrong choices and I'm a goner. So what's changed... Thank-You! for your (time)

Salvation must always be understood in context. In this dispensation we are chosen by God when we believe and trust in the faith, death and resurrection of Christ as sufficient for eternal salvation. We are made alive by the Holy Ghost given to us by God and made a part of the Body of Christ. We cannot be condemned eternally for sin since God counts us as having died and resurrected with Christ. The mystery of this gift is given to us freely and explained to us by revelation of God through Paul. See Romans 6 and 8 etc. This was not the case in other ages before the Holy Ghost was given to indwell believers. When one believes and trusts God today his name is and was written before the foundation of the world. Eph 1:3-14

Revelation 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels..... .The question, once your name Is in the book of Life! or (does) my choices?/ and can my name be blotted... by them?/...then (we) need to think about this..., "once saved".., "always saved"... Jesus please will help Us..., when that (time) happens... I believe some will be called out by Jesus... and not who we think either...

Billy

Your post seems to be intentionally offensive, And is far from the truth.

That reply has no place here.

:This is a site where Iron sharpens Iron. Not a site where we cause strife and try to tare down the body of Christ.

Please consider.

Dr. Wade, first I'm sure you will hear several answers on the daughters, from me would be speculation.

When Jesus came, He came for only the lost sheep of Israel to fulfill the first covenant and confirm the new covenant. Matthew 15:24.Jesus was fulfilling the old covenant so they obeyed the Sabbath. The Sabbath is the seventh day and man does not have the authority to change it. If we worship on a Sunday we still can not call it the Sabbath. Some call it the Lords Day for resurrection day. We are to worship in Spirit John 4:24, any day of the week or all. The Sabbath is also in the law.

Rom. 14:4-6 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. 5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. 6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth, not and giveth God.

The division started with Constantine's Sunday law and the penalties came down at Laodicea. The two reasons I am aware of, the Roman and Greek pagan religion festivals and worship were on Sunday and they used these days to introduce Christian holidays. The other, many Christians were meeting on the Sabbath along with the Jews and they did not want them to.

Gal.3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

If said the commandments of God is the Law, including the 10, if we try to be justified by them we are "a debtor to do the whole law". We are to be obedient in faith and love which is in Christ Jesus. May God bless, Ron

Seems complicated until it isn't. Hebrews Chapter 4 helps alot. Man after the fall of Adam made his own works and those works follow the unconverted man to this day. The same works are a burden and weigh men down to the point where man can hardly carry such a burden. But Jesus suggests that man can share in his rest by entering in if one believes. The day that matters is the day that one harden's not their heart in sin. There remains after the fall of Adam a rest to the people of God. Those whose hard hearts were broken and made contrite cease from their own works. The one who is at rest can possibly labor again into unbelief. The Lord knows are thoughts and intentions and everything is manifest into His sight. Jesus is the Son of God is our belief and if He entered onto His rest so do His believers if we hold fast to our profession of Him as or Savior. It takes a boldness to approach this throne of grace to find mercy in our High Priest.

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1. The Papacy.

Who are her daughters?

2. Sometime after Christ's crucifixion and resurrection, a meeting of the early churches decided to change God's 7th day Sabbath to Sunday.

3. This change was justified by a) honoring Christ's sacrifice on the cross and b) to separate themselves from association with Judaism.

What I find mystifying is that Christ Himself claimed to be the Lord of the Sabbath. Yet how is it then that the majority of "Christian" denominations consider Sunday as the sabbath, rather than the one Jesus and the Apostles both observed and preached?

Such change could only be from a power intent on corrupting God's appointed Sabbath...The Beast of Revelation, Satan working behind the the cloak of Catholicism.

Lastly, The closing of Revelation concludes that God's people are those that "keep the Commandments of God and have the faith of Jesus Christ.

I welcome your response,

George G. Wade, Jr (MD, PhD, Retired)

Who are the overcomers? Some groups say that this select fraction of the Christians will be raptured before the tribulation with the rest of the Christians left to go through varying lengths of the Tribulation.

They trusted the lie Satan told them. As did Satan, they stopped being God centered and became self centered, pride.

Why would someone claim to be a Jew who is not?

So, answer this:

Why would the Antichrist claim to be the Messiah but is not?

Why would the serpent claim Eve could eat of the fruit and not die when that was not true?

Why do people lie?

Because Satan is the father of all lies and deception and he rules earth. He is trying to deceive people in order to separate them from God. You seem like you don't realize that pretty much EVERYONE IS LYING TO YOU. If they are not Christian, they are lying to you. Period. The TV lies, books lie, science lies, government lies, everyone is lying to you. If you believe the lies, then you do not have the Spirit of Truth in you. That is the only way one can discern lies and deceit. And 99% of what you hear and see will be half-truths or lies or disinformation or misinformation, so question everything.

1 Peter 5:8--Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

Why is God allowing slavery, enslavement to happen, now? My works have been to help to make a better earth and world, better people. why does God allow the "Trumpets" to steal my works, money gifted to me and racketeered through the banks to everyone but me? I am tired of working and not eating the grapes thereof whereby the criminals excel and get rich from my names? Nothing that I have done for 10 years have I been blessed monetarily; I may feel enriched intellectually, but not socially. I am not allowed to have friends or to visit with my family, who try to help only to enrich people who never give a cracker back, the ungrateful and arrogant of secret societies seem to reign and cause us to lose people, opportunities, money, gratitude, etc. Some have been told that all Africans and Afros in power have worshiped Satan; some have been forced to by extreme evil treatments and promises to be with family eventually. Is America, the United States gone to the dark occult? I wish not! People are put into grave yards, in storage facilities I hear, money is hidden in their corpses? Children are no more in the neighborhood, most gone. Instead of a way of life, a way and culture of death. 60k houses are vacant--where did all the families go? Dont come to Baltimore City to think you can just sit down and talk to someone; you may disappear too--into foreign slavery. Where is my younger brother? He use to own and developed a wonderful bakery, the Breadery. Where is he and his beautiful family? We have been persecuted because of our religion by takers who dont make life and liveliness, they just take and never donate. Where is the charity and opportunity for the holy if Satanists are in control with the illusion of making Amerika great, not Americans great?

What church in Revelations is the American Church?

Romans Chapter 1. You can go through Old Testament , but I think Romans is simple to understand. For the unsaved world to believe they can force God to obey Their demands, is laughable.

But it will not be funny when God gives the Word for the Rapture to commence. A blink of the eye.

Question, scripture condemning homosexuality

Comments by Alex on the reason Jesus had to die, It was simply for the sins of the World, Behold the lamb of God that taketh away the SINS of the world, But there is a hidden facet to the Cross, its multiplication when a seed dies it multiplies that was the great Promise I will multiply thy seed as the Stars of heaven, He told the Greeks that wanted to see him unless a seed dies it abides alone but if it dies it will bring forth much fruit impling many Christ as the stars of heaven that every man might gets a seed a measure of faith etc. That every man might birth a baby Christ which is the result of the New Birth via the seed of the sower thus an Israel of God. The multiplication of Issac resulted in the nation of Israel, but the multiplcation of Christ via his seed the word will result an Israel of GOD. Thats y he is saying that which is born of the spirit is spirit as God is spirit, The PROMISE WHICH IS THE H.G. A lil one shall become a 1000 and a small one a strong nation thats the result of his seed an Israel of God. Thus we see multiplication via his seed the Word . Thats y he said smite the shepherd and the sheep will be scattered then i will turn my hand to the little ones , little ones imply multiplication via his death, smite the shepherd implied his death. And to whom his word came it made them Gods thats y scriptures says this corruption must put on incorruption and this MORTAL MUST PUT ON IMMORTALITY that means we are gona be Gods thats what the H.G. is the multiplication of very God in us sinners thus IMMORTALITY IS GOD thats y God swore by his very self when he made that PROMISE to Christ, its GOD THAT WANTS A POSTERITY, AND CHRIST WAS JUST HIS 1ST BORN OF MANY BRETHREN. We are gonna live for ever under this new covenant . Thats y the prophets were so amazed saying what manner of love has the father bestoded upon us. we are gona be absolute sons like JESUS doing the works he did and Greater. Behold the lamb of God that taketh away th sins of the world

In this instance the word "beginning " can be defined as "that by which anything begins to be, the origin, the active cause" as proclaimed in Colossians 1:17, "And he is before all things, and by him all things consist."

My question to you is... Have you tried to find out what this verse means before posting your statement? As a student of the bible, having access to the thoughts of other bible scholars is helpful in understanding verses like this. Having the tools that pertain directly to the things of God is crucial. 2 Timothy 2:15 is clear.

We do not have to agree with everything we read in our research, but it helps to get some kind of perspective on what another student, or teacher thinks about a particular verse.

Even I don't know what this means being the Beginning of the creation of God, you cannot refer to a few verses and make a point about this topic which you call the trinitarians. There are as well as many places that clearefies that Jesus is Lord and God. Amen.

Great app love it

Hello Josephine,

What a good question and discovery from your careful reading! Thanks

There are currently a growing number of cults of young people who falsely claim they are the new "Jews". I don't bother to list & track each one, but to name names one of them calls themselves with the number 19 or 99 in it. Before these, there was a group led by Herbert Amstrong, called the Worldwide Church of God last century. They had a long running TVangelism which probably influenced the current groups when they were kids. They alleged that the USA is the Promised Land and featured in End Times prophecy. Then WCC had internal strive that broke into two or three other groups, one being the Great Church of God. (It amuses me how these cults always have a name that tries to patent their claim on God or Jesus)

Their motives are power, control, and pride, and money, yet they truly believe that they can benefit by claiming all the blessings of Abraham onto themselves. They make half truths and outrageous lies that Yahweh God (they do try to use a bit of what they think are Hebrew words) has long ago cut off the ancient Israelites so that the modern nation of Israel are on their own. The fake Jews also claim they are the true spiritual Israel

It is a gross misreading and distortion of what Saint Paul wrote in Romans 9 & 10. No room for misinterpretation there as Paul explained those chapters well. But the few leaders who create these false claims also see that their claim to uniqueness makes religion exciting to potential suckers who are bored with the mainstream offers

It may be the publisher did that. Check a (Thomas Nelson Bible publisher)and let us know. As long as the verse is the same identically, I see no problem.

why are some verse numbers in the bible written in bold?

why would they want to say they are Jew?

Revelation 3:19

Please review the word 'Repent' and 'Chastening' on a world deceived ca

When I see someone wearing a cross, I think they are telling the world that they are a Christian

and have took JESUS CHRIST as their LORD AND SAVIOR.

Praise God, in acts 10:11 peter said unto Cornelius and his men that God is a respector of no man but if he fear him and worketh righteousness God will accept him. No one is entitled to anything from God but because he's faithful, because he's just, because he's a merciful a gracious father he gives favour unto those who honour him. He's the God of all gods, the beginning and the ending, the great I Am that I am. He holds all in his hands he's in control, when he opens a door for they who fear him and honour him nothing can close that door. We who are so weak, clothed in garment of flesh the Lord find favours in because we honor him. Praise God, all things are for the glory of him, all we do and all we say should be unto him, with that open door whilst its unto us as a gift for our loyalty it's also for his glory so we as his children should bring glory unto his name always. Matthew 5:11-14 we are the salt of the earth and if salt loses its flavour it's tossed out and trampled, it's good for nothing, we are the Light of the earth, a city on a hill cannot be hid. As the salt of the earth and the Light of the world where ever our heavenly father opens the door we must continue to flavour and continue to shine so others might see and glorify our father who art in heaven in Jesus Christ name.

God bless you my dear