Revelation
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Wesley's Notes for Revelation 3:18
I counsel thee - who art poor, and blind, and naked. To buy of me - Without money or price. Gold purified in the fire - True, living FAITH, which is purified in the furnace of affliction. And white raiment - True holiness. And eyesalve - Spiritual illumination; the unction of the Holy One, which teacheth all things (the Holy Spirit)
People's Bible Notes for Revelation 3:18
I counsel thee to buy of me gold. In Christ are "all the treasures of wisdom" ( Colossians 2:3). And white raiment. That they may have the wedding garments ( Matthew 22:11-13). Anoint thine eyes with eyesalve. The unction of the Holy Spirit ( 1John 2:20).
Many people have no faith to ask Jesus, themselves, to be healed (physically, emotionally, financially, making decisions, etc). Why?
It's one thing to lay on your mat and stare at Jesus wishing he would heal you. The man explained his parents must've sinned. Jesus had mercy on him. Stand up, pick up your mat and walk home. The man lays there a minute, then obeys. He stands up, dances around leaping for joy-picks up his mat and walks home.
His faith in Jesus's ability, opposed his belief in his parents sins. His faith stood up.
ONLY THE BIBLE can counteract our unbelief and excuses why we are sick or downtrodden by society at large.
Mix faith with obedience to the known Will of God.
Pray the Lords Prayer, and let your ears hear each line. Each one is a YES and AMEN, from God the Father.
Let's be real here? If there's some kind of hidden sin hindering that prayer; dig it up and give it to Jesus. "I did "this" and I'm sorry for it." Jesus's blood erases it. Guard your heart and mind.
The Lords Prayer says, THIS DAY. This is a daily thing. I do it every day. I'm not perfect yet. Some day I may shine a little like gold or silver, that I purchased with prayers. I have His Love and Acceptance now. So do you.
Mishael
Chapter Revelation 4:1 is the verse that's used by those who believe that the believers will be raptured prior to the Tribulation Period, because number 1, the door had been opened, and number two, a trumpet was talking to him.
It's the same as Paul said in 1 Thessalonians 4:13, I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that you sorrow not, as others which have no hope. He had just said in this chapter that the trump of God would sound. It would be a great shout, and the trump of God would sound. And so here is the trumpet talking to John saying come up here.
And those who hold the Pre-Trib. position see that as equivalent to the rapture of the church that is happening. And from now on, John will see everything from heaven, and the church will no longer be on the earth, but the multitudes will be in heaven.
And many believe that's an indication, among other scriptures, especially 1 Thessalonians Chapter 5 where it gives us the Tribulation Period, and he says this is for the wrath of God, and we (have not) been chosen for the wrath of God.
4:1 After these things - As if he had said, After I had written these letters from the mouth of the Lord. By the particle and, the several parts of this prophecy are usually connected: by the expression, after these things, they are distinguished from each other, # Rev 7:9|; 19:1. By that expression, and after these things, they are distinguished, and yet connected, # Rev 7:1|; 15:5; 18:1. St. John always saw and heard, and then immediately wrote down one part after another: and one part is constantly divided from another by some one of these expressions. I saw - Here begins the relation of the main vision, which is connected throughout; as it appears from the throne, and him that sitteth thereon; the Lamb; (who hitherto has appeared in the form of a man;) the four living creatures; and the four and twenty elders, represented from this place to the end. From this place, it is absolutely necessary to keep in mind the genuine order of the texts, as it stands in the preceding table. A door opened in heaven - Several of these openings are successively mentioned. Here a door is opened; afterward, the temple of God in heaven, # Rev 11:19|; 15:5; and, at last, heaven itself, 19:11. By each of these St. John gains a new and more extended prospect. And the first voice which I had heard - Namely, that of Christ: afterward, he heard the voices of many others. Said, Come up hither - Not in body, but in spirit; which was immediately done.
I will share my thoughts.
The Lord gives the outline of the book in chronological order and division of this book into 3 time periods of past, present, and future in Revelation 1:19. The things he has seen, "past tense" is the Glorified risen Christ, the things which are, "present tense" the Church here and now and the better of over 2000 years. And the things after these things, "future" Gods program after Revelation ch 2 and 3. "Church here on earth"
That brings us to Revelation 4:1. "The Lord says I will show you the things hereafter" After What? The Church things!
( This is the things future tense described in Revelation 1:19.) " Things shall be hereafter ".
Note: Revelation 4:1. We have an open door! Everyone around the throne had to go through that door. Who's the door?
In Revelation 4:2. The scene is in Heaven.
In Revelation 1:20. The Lord tells us that the seven golden candle sticks/lampstands in Revelation 1:12-13. Is the Churches. (The Church as a whole over the ages ). In Revelation ch 4 the lamp stands is in heaven.
"After these things" you see the 24 elders/representatives in white robes, who has been redeemed by the blood of the Lamb and according to Revelation 5:9-10. They are kings and priest. Only three in scripture is called kings and priest, That's the Lord, Melchizedek, and the Church. 1 Peter 2:9.
Hopefully that helps.
God bless.
I don't know the answer to your question, but beware of people replying that go against scripture and don't cite any scripture themselves. God's word always dominates over man's opinion.
1 Thessalonians 4:17 clearly talks about believers being caught up in the air.
Luke 17:34-37
1 Corinthians 15:52
This event is called rapture and comes from the Bible.
God bless
Peace
There's two popular views, One is they're the 12 Apostles and the sons of Jacob.
The other view is they represent The Church/ Redeemed.
Because of what's mentioned in Revelation 5:8-10.
Revelation 1:6.
and 1 Peter 2:5-9.
Revelation 5:8-10. And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.
And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood OUT OF EVERY KINDRED, AND TONGUE, AND PEOPLE, AND NATION;
And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
What's interesting is what's mentioned in Revelation 5:6. in conjuction with Revelation 2:1.
Seems to be a change of location In Revelation Ch 2 and 3 Jesus is in the midst of the Church on Earth, by the time we get to Revelation 4:1. The scene is in heaven!! And Jesus is in the midst of the Church in Revelation 5:6.
Revelation 5:6. And I beheld, and, lo,-
-" IN THE MIDST OF THE THRONE AND OF THE FOUR BEASTS, AND IN THE MIDST OF THE ELDERS, STOOD A LAMB"
as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
If this is the Church they're in Heaven it seems to suggest a pre trib Rapture.
God bless.
Perhaps they are the twelve sons of Jacob and the twelve apostles?
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REVELATION 4:3 KJV "And he that sat was to look upon like ...
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Where did this comment come from. It popped up linking your site using Amazon fire tablet. First no man has seen the Father. Second jaspers come in a variety of colors. Look up Fancy Jaspers. " undoubtedly negroid"? Did you ever think that John was seeing His radiant glory that of a sunrise or sunset. This entry looks suspicious.
Therefore, in Revelation 4:5, we find the mention of "seven lamps (or, torches) of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God". Now we understand from the Word, there is only One God, Who sent out His Word & His Spirit to accomplish His Purposes. The Word became flesh & He (Jesus) gave His Life for the World & is now risen & seated at His Father's right Hand. Before this position beside God, Jesus was the Word from within God. The Spirit of God was also within God but sent out to accomplish all that God planned for mankind. The Work of the Spirit was manifold, which included empowering, convicting, residing, teaching, comforting, help in praying, giving Light, etc. The Spirit that is represented by those lamps before God's Throne, may well be the Holy depiction of God's Spirit that has been at Work to complete the Plans of God & stand before the Throne in testimony of God's Mighty Work.
Fire has been associated with the Holy Spirit: Matthew 3:11,12 (purging); Acts 2:3 (infilling & empowering), & the Spirit stands represented by this Fire of God accomplishing all that God has purposed for the World. Others here may have more to add according to the revelation given to them.
My meditation would lean towards that these Cherubims are the beasts and are at the four corners of the earth as borders to keep men ,because God so loved the world, on the straight and narrow way towards Salvation by the One on the Throne of God, Jesus Christ.
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Each Cherub, and face, I have heard taught is a representation of each gospel. Matthew is the Lion, which went forth to the Jews. Focuses on the Lion of the tribe of Judah, gathered from the genealogy there of Jesus. A book that focuses on the Jewish Kingdom. Mark is the ox. A servant animal and focuses on Christ the servant. Luke the man. Focuses on Christ's physical, man qualities. Finally, John is the eagle. Its focus is on the spirit flying forth, the gospel being spread throughout the world. The difference being here that John answers the question of who Jesus is, where the other gospels focus on what Jesus is. Obviously there is much more to these explanations that can't be covered on a message board.
That may be more information than you sought. I can't find my reference notes on Cherubs and hence I can't give you the additional verses referring to their characteristics. Maybe someone else would be so kind as to list them should they know of more.
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Revelation 4:7
The four beast should be translated as the four LIVING creatures.
These four living creatures are ALL OF CREATION:
Man, Cattle, Fowl, and Beast.
We can see this same thing explained when God made a covenant with CREATION never to destroy it again with water.
Genesis 9:9 And I, behold, I establish my covenant with you (Noah) (MAN), and with your seed (MAN)
after you.
Genesis 9:10 And with every living creature (CREATION) that is with you (MAN), of the FOWL, of the CATTLE, and of every BEAST of the earth with you (MAN).........
Revelation 4:7 And the first living creature (CREATION) was a lion (BEAST), and the second living creature (CREATION) was a calf (CATTLE), and the third living creature (CREATION) had a face as a man (MAN), and the fourth living creature (CREATION) was a flying eagle (FOWL).
This same thing is in:
Ezekiel 1:10 As for the likeness of their faces, they (CREATION) four had the face of a MAN, and the face of a lion (BEAST), on the right side: and they (CREATION) four had the face of an ox (CATTLE) on the left side, they (CREATION) four had the face of an eagle (FOWL).