Revelation Chapter 9 Discussion Page 2

Herbert,

Right now, over the area of the Euphrates, in the area that we know as Iraq, the area where the Garden of Eden was before the flood, these angels are bound.

There are four angels, and notice that they are put there by God, prepared for the very day, month, year, and the very hour when God summons them to slay or kill a third part of men.

Here in Chapter 9:11, why were the four angels bound in the River Eupharties?

I've been hearing about a massive super hadron collider in the EU built underground that is 7 miles in diameter. It was designed to try to open another "parallel dimension" by slamming protons together at a very high rate of speed to 'create a big bang environment with a goal of sending something from ours into this other dimension, but also possibly bringing something from the other dimension into ours. It is called CERN. They have their "GOD" Shiva statue in the entryway and they also worship abbadon/appolyon. I feel like they are 'possibly' trying to open the "pit" (or they are the 'vehicle') to open the bottomless pit. Has anyone done any research into this? VERY strange to me.....

Paula Price, I've heard that music, whether or not in church, can suppress repentance. It can also suppress a guilty conscience, which is why King Saul ordered David to play music. It says when David played, the evil spirit from God (aka, guilty conscience) would leave him. It might even suppress other manifestations of the Holy Spirit.

It means for 1 year 1 month an 1 day an 1 hour, 4 angels will slay or kill the 3rd part of men

What does rev 915 mean.

These are not the 4 horseman. These are the army used to destroy Mystery Babylon and the Babylonian system within 1 hour. It's not a standing army, rather 200 mega ton hypersonic missiles; TNT. Compare with Joel 2:4-11 day of The Lord description of these weapons.

Who are the four horsemen? Explain revelation 9:16

Abaddon will make the evil ones pay the price. Abaddon is Gods wrath manifested into a being that will destroy the impure when all the good souls have departed.

who are the 4 and 20 elders found in revelation 11?

A flying roll is mentioned in Zechariah 5:1-2.

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This is not in reference to Rev 9 v7 but Luke 1

Luke 1 v 30 ,31,32,33,34,35

These verses clarify who Jesus is . And when he began as the Christ .

God manifested in the flesh .

Let's not spiritualize Jesus into something else , but except the biblical record shown in Luke ch 1 and other places in the Bible that give this record .

1 John 4 v 1,2,3...

The sin of Eve did not cause a problem.

It was only a problem when Adam sinned.

Rich, could you clarify? I believe that the sin nature did find its root when Eve (& Adam) sinned against God through disobedience. And through them, sin was passed onto all of us ( Romans 5:12): "Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned".

Why did sin not enter the world when Eve sinned?

Coronavirus 19-or some subsequent mutation thereof?

Sheila, the passage about the Seventh Seal ( Rev 8:1) involves the Seven Angels with the Seven Trumpets sounding. As you know, all this is a description of the time when God's Wrath (the Great Tribulation) is to come upon the unbelieving world. In Rev 9:1, it's the turn of the Fifth Angel of the Seven, to sound his trumpet & a part of this outpouring of God's Anger, unbelievers are to physically suffer a most horrible agony as when a scorpion strikes a man (v5).

So to have all this happen, the key to the bottomless pit is used to release these demons that are directed to give extreme pain & suffering to those who are not sealed by God. I don't believe that a demon is given the key to open the pit & release the demons, but an angel from God. And Abaddon/Apollyon is the 'king' angel from the Pit (i.e. a satanic angel) who may be instrumental in leading out the legions of demons to accomplish their devastating task on the Earth. So he & they are evil, but God can & does use evil spirits, people, & kingdoms to accomplish His Purposes.

Yet, it's noteworthy that those with the 'seal of God on their foreheads' are to be spared (v4). Christians are not here at this time, as they have been removed to Heaven long before; and Christians are sealed, not on their foreheads, but in their spirits by the Holy Spirit: "ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory." So who are these left on the Earth that have God's Seal on their foreheads? They could be the Elect from Israel who never turned to Christ for their salvation but yet are to be saved through recognizing their Saviour when He returns again & figure in the Millennium reign of Christ on the Earth.

Im confused, is Abaddon, Gods angel or demonic? Why would Jesus give up his keys to hell to a demon? If he is the destroying angel used by God to cause harm to evil people, doesnt that make him good?

Hello, there's nothing in the Bible saying to not use a musical instrument, but it does say the opposite. David played the harp: 1 Samuel 16:23

Psalm 150:3-4 - Says to worship with trumpet, harp, psalms, timbrell, stringed instruments, organ.

Instruments will be in heaven too- harps. Rev 15:2-3

It says worship in spirit and truth: John 4:23.

Playing an instrument is like serving and sometimes is hard to focus on worshipping God. But the same thing can happen if you're the leader singing, or if you're in audience reading notes or spacing out. So, I think there's a case for each where we need to make sure its done in spirit and truth and done to glorify God, not ourselves or some other purpose. God bless...

I have a question concerning musical instruments in our worship today.. I have read and study one view on this and it is something that I have never studied before and had never even heard in all of my church going years. There are those who believe that instrumental music is not authorized for the New Testament worship of God today. I have read all the scriptures supporting this but it has come from one source. What is your commentary on this subject and do you have scripture to validate your stand? I have read the new Testament and have not found the use of musical instruments mention when the disciples gathered to worship. How did it come to be acceptable in our worship services if it was not authorized by God for his worship to him according to the gospel of Jesus? I would just like to hear another view on this subject but know that we are worship God in spirit and in truth. We are to do the will of God, and not what is pleasing to us. When we gather together for worship we are to worship according to His purpose and by his authority, according to the New Testament. The Israelites were commanded to worship with music in the Old Testament, but no mention of instruments were mentioned in the new Testament.

And you are right there is no little sin or big sin. The bible say in Romans 6 : 23. "That the wages of sin is death and the gift of God is eternal life". So how ever you wage it if you sin it is sin their is no sugar coating it, or to say it is a white lie it is still sin and sin can lead to death...

And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

We think the corona virus is bad ,wait till revelation 9 starts as God word says incurable diseases long suffering and no death,for those who does not have the seal of GOD

B COLE,

Revelation 9:1 tells us that when the fifth angel sounded, a star fell. In Revelation Chapter 1, we know that the stars represent angels. So a star fell from heaven. Secondly, the word fall is in the Perfect Tense. So he sees a star which has already fallen. He didn't see it as it was falling. He saw a fallen star, a star that had already fallen from out of heaven unto the earth.

And to this angel, this fallen star, was given the key to the bottomless pit. Notice that it was given to him. He did not possess it. He did not have authority over it. We know from Revelation Chapter 1 that Jesus has the keys of Hades and of death. The Lord holds all the keys to all of these places.

Now the bottomless pit is the word abyss, ABUSSO in Greek. And it is interesting because it is believed that around where Babylon used to be, and in fact, it was the place where Saddam Hussein was caught, but they believed that there is a shaft that goes down into the heart of the earth. And this shaft is closed up on the top.

And this would be the place that Peter told us about in 2 Peter Chapter 2:4, that there are angels who are reserved in chains of darkness, ready to be revealed.

And so this star who had fallen was given the key to the bottomless pit. This star is none other than Satan himself, and the creatures that will be released from this pit are going to be two-hundred million demons unleashed upon the earth.

But concerning this star who had been fallen, back in Isaiah 14:12-15, we have recorded for us the rebellion of Satan. It is called the "five I wills," where Satan said I will be like the most high, where he expressed his rebellion towards God.

And it is at that time that he lost his first domain. He lost his first position with God.

Who was given the key to the bottomless pit

Well,having read everything that takes me back in 2014 when I had a revelation and I asked myself for years what it really met and why would God show me something so poeerf like that,me,a tiny young woman of 25years by that time

I found myself in an endless garden ,it had fruits ripened and attractive, it had homosexuals, it had bars,clubs swiiming pools every luxurious place was in that beautiful garden ,people happy dancing, others smoking ,drinking having sex in broad day light,i admired to go that side and enjoy too.

As I made a step,I heard voices I looked up,i saw 3 angels only faces were human the rest was covered in white garments in a white cloud one was Michael the leader ,but he was very angry the voice told commanders them, Go down in the garden, wipe away anything that is contaminated, any one that has eaten of that fruit of poison not even a small grass will u leave as long as it's contaminated.

I saw them destroying that side I desired to go to,nothin was left except there's was a fruit dome near me and I wanted to bend pick it eat it,but one angel said to Michael, Look back,someone is getting contaminated, Go destroy her,I never picked it,he flew back up,I woke up.

For long time,it disturbed me,it's here in 2020,I see that revelation happening and it's powerful.lets pray and turn away from evil go.the days are dark and we need to be pure when that angel of death comes to take

Thapelo, indeed Gen 1:26,27 says that we were made in the Image of God. That is, His only Creation that received a spirit, able to reason at a higher level, to articulate in words what is in his heart, having "set the World in their hearts" (Eccl 3:11) which means, we have the privilege of understanding so much of God's Creation so our worship might be returned to Him. No other living creature has these divine qualities, yet no other creature has done the evil that man has done to God's World.

So, you believe correctly, that God is a Triune God: Father, the Son & the Holy Spirit. Likewise, man was created in three parts: Body, Soul & Spirit. The Body signifies the outer structure/form; the Soul is the life given to the Body ("& man became a living soul" ( Gen 2:7); the Spirit is by which we are able to function above animals, whether in our minds, in morality, discernment, speaking to our Creator or allowing Him to speak to us, etc. Animals don't have a spirit; when we die, "our spirits shall return to the Lord Who gave it" (Eccl 12:7); of course, many of those departed ones will not enter Heaven because of their treatment of God's Son & His Sacrifice for their sins. We hope that your heart & life has been wonderfully changed by God's Spirit & you daily enjoy the Triune God working in your life & giving you His Grace.

It is said that man was created in the likeness of God. I believe God is a tribune God. Man is created in Flesh and Spirit/Soul. Which is the third part?

The greater the crime against Gods elect the greater the force that caused it,these forces are called antichrist,they Opposed Jesus and God,through there own freewill of choice and actions,started a war in heaven and were banned.
Sent to earth because they could not go back,invisible to us, they use humans against humans.In History the worst event is a direct parallel,to the ones powering it.(and the good)
Hitler and his crew were standouts.previous chapter says the 'power was in his mouth',power to persuade and influence with Words,speeches,the text also mentions,a bad feather in the wing of the eagle' and more. Thankfully, bottom line..
Those that stand with God and Jesus will be fine.