Romans Chapter 11 Discussion Page 2

i do not know how 2 or 3 people can read romans 11 chapter an get 2 or 3 oppenions except for humanisum

Rebecca Sorry must add given freely when you con fess Romans 10:9+10, and believe in your heart, nobody good enough thats why its devine unmerited favour.

Rebecca Gods divine unmerited favour Ephesians 2:8-10. Another Example Genesis 6:6-8 noah and family. His Will His Judgement, His power our precious Gift.

What is Grace ? Is Grace given selectively ? Following the resurrection, would Grace be disseminated to not all sinners ?

They Jews were blinded so we can have the truth. When the Jews rejected the Messiah, the Spirit of God moved away from the Jews and grace was given to the gentiles. This does not mean to say that all jews are lost. The blindness happened in PART not in TOTAL. Some jews will accept the gospel according to predestination. When the gentile or grace dispensation is over, there will be no more grace for the gentiles. The Spirit of God will return to the jews and 144,000 of them will accept the gospel.

Galatians 3:14

That the blessing of Abraham MIGHT COME ON THE GENTILES through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith."

Luke 21:24

24And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the (presently the elect) GENTILES BE FULFILLED.

25And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

26Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

27And then shall they see the SON OF MAN COMING IN A CLOUD with power and great glory.

28And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

Comment by Mishael:

The Gentiles were grafted in, to become the Elect. The Jews were grafted OUT. Google "the Graft" scriptures.

The Jews are Spiritually blinded and deafened so they may not see or hear the Gospel of their Messiah Jesus Christ. They're certainly not going to believe God has divorced them.

WHEN the "catching away" of the Church occurs. Blind eyes and deaf Ears are going to be OPENED suddenly. The Jews will suddenly BE THE ELECT once again. They will know only the Messiah can do what has been done. They will have to cling to Jesus during the 2nd half of Redemption: Rapture to staging of Armageddon.

You must understand that even then; even after all the Miracles of Jesus preserving His Elect: some Jews will not relinquish their "control" over the power they have coveted for thousands of years.

Fix your eyes on Jesus on walk right into His arms. This is your Beloved; your Husband: who has fully forgiven you and grafted you into the Vine once more, eternally. The Lord of Glory. Come back now.

Mishael

I can say with assurance that I was adopted into the elect (Israel) by being born again and my willingness to be Baptized as a visible sign into His church. Like a marriage, as long as I am found faithful.

This also leads me to the thought that the harvest field is ripe and perhaps, some areas more ripe than others.

Carleton

So from what I read the elect are people who are saved not Israel many pastors say the elect is Israel but Israel don't except Christ and are blind therefor they are not the elect of God the saved are. Would you agree with this statement.

This whole chapter is crystal clear , listen to God not men ! He can make you understand, by the spirit of truth , we will know the truth that sets us free .

As apostle Paul said how unsearchable God is , but God can reveal things we Know not if we trust him . By faith we understand .

If God makes a man know shall he not know ?

Verse 36 Amen !

Comments about the Godhead which is Father Son and GRANSON that is gonna result in an Israel of God a heavenly nation that is gonna be born in US. A lil one is gonna become a 1000 AND A SMALL ONE A STRONG NATION I the LORD will hasten it in its Time,Thats y jesus refers to the H.G AS THE PROMISE he is truly the Granson the beginning of an Israel of God The result of that good seed the Word the seed of God, our new heart and new spirit our new innerman which is the H.G.Being born again of an incorruptible seed etc even by the word of God,Just as Solomon came out of the loins of David,Solomon means Comforter in hebrew. Bathsheba was comforted at the birth of Solomon. In the spirit the H.G. comes out of Christ loins ( his Word was his breath ) the good seed that PRODUCES A BIRTH OF CHRIST IN US the new birth. The H.G. can only come via his seed the Word.At pentacost the H.G fell on them that heard his Word initiating a birth of Christ in them.Thus the H.G is truly the granson an Israel of God simply b/c Christ is the sower of that good seed the Word which makes Christ the FATHER OF THE H.G.Thats y isaiah calls Christ everlasting father he is the father of the H.G. A BABY Christ remember what jesus said unless you receive the Kingdom as a lil child you will in no wise enter there in.Isaiah says there shall come a rod a (child) outta of the stem of Jesse/ David, CHRIST JESUS was that Child that came outta of God Almighty AND THE H.G is the Branch that comes out of Christ LOINS HIS WORDS ETC HIS BREATH .Remember Jesse David and Solomon was father son and grandson. Also Abraham Issac and Jacob was father son and granson the begining of the nation of natural ISRAEL and GOD tells Moses that his name was Abraham Issac and Jacob that is my name FOREVER and my memorial to ALL GENERATIONS God could not say that if his Kingdom were not a trinity of Father Son and Granson AN Israel of GOD that is coming soon when the woman gives birth to the manchild which is the H.G. Gods Israel

If you are not Jewish, scripture describes everybody else as Gentile.

A lot of exciting scriptures surrounding the Gentiles. Use the search engine here, to read those in a group.

Click on New Testament only, to pare down the list.

Just curious why you believe the antichrists are Israel?

Revelation 3:9 "Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee."

1 John 2:22 - Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. (ALL Jews deny Jesus and that makes them antichrist, if they believed in Jesus then they would be CHRISTIANS. IF you do not believe me call any Synagogue and ask the Rabbi or them if Jesus is the Messiah.)

1 John 2:23 - Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

If Jews do not accept Jesus as messiah, then who is their messiah?

1 Corinthians 16:22 - If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema (CURSED) Maranatha.

DO JEWS LOVE JESUS OR ARE THEY CURSED?

Please explain how these get saved without Jesus? I am curious

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

John l Part 2

1 Kings 21:1 ....had a vineyard, which was in Jezreel, hard by the PALACE of Ahab KING of SAMARIA.

Jeremiah 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

this verse says a new covenant with both Israel AND Judah. So how can they be the same?

Hosea 1:10 Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God.

Romans 9:26 And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.

Galatians 3:29. - And if ye be Christ's, then ARE ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

John L - I believe that is true that all who are in Christ ARE the seed of Abraham as Paul states in Galations 3:29

Galatians 3:29 "And if ye be Christ's, then ARE are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise."

I do not see anything about "becoming" or "spiritual seed"

and if Christians are divorced Israel of Jeremiah 3:8 that means they shall be the object of the wrath of Satan in the Tribulation.

Jeremiah 3:8 "And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of DIVORCE divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also."

God divorced Israel with the promise of remarriage

Jeremiah 31:31 "Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:"

Jesus in Matthew 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

God promised Abraham he would be the Father of MANY NATIONS.

Gen 17:5 - Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of MANY many nations have I made thee.

If the "Jews" are all of Abraham, where are all these MANY "jewish nations"...?

There is only one and it was created by the antichrist United Nations and one is not many.

Either God lied (impossible) or the Jews are not all of Israel.

Where are the MANY JEWISH NATIONS of Abraham?

Judah and Israel were not the same people. God divorced Israel and not Judah. One tribe is not many

The Lord DIVORCED ISRAEL

Israel and judah had wars and different kings as well as different capitols. Jerusalem capitol of Judah.

Samaria capitol of Israel.

2 Kings 8:16 ...Joram the son of Ahab KING of ISRAEL, Jehoshaphat being then KING of JUDAH, ...

If Israel is represented by all 12 Tribes, wouldn't that include everyone that believes? ( Galatians 3:29)

All Israel shall be saved.... that is the church not the nation of Isreal.

Romans 11:25 and MUCH MORE!

Patrick may i suggest you go to Grace Bible Ambassadors on YouTube and they will send you a 29 page booklet, (Jesus wasn't talking to you!!). You will learn more than you think you know.

I did. You can follow along in teachings for every page. Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 2 Timothy 2:15

1Corinthians2:9-16 But as it is written eye hath not seen nor ear heard neither have entered into the Heart of Man the things which God hath Prepared for them that Love Him but God hath Revealed them unto us by His Spirit for The Spirit searcheth all things yea the deep things of God for what Man knoweth the things of a Man save the spirit of Man which is in him even so the things of God knoweth no Man but The Spirit of God Now we have Received not the spirit of the World but The Spirit which is of God that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God which things also we Speak not in the words which Mans wisdom teacheth but which The Holy Ghost Teacheth comparing Spiritual...

Revelation 22:16.

Eric, you have a true understanding of scripture! Kudos to you! To God be the glory!

My goal is to bring everybody together over the freedom of religion, by coming together over unbelief. As Gods anointed, I say about Romans 11:32, where he says, "For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all" I say then we all can say yeah right! Abreviated, that's Y. R., which can be used in our english language, Y - Yeah, R ouR Right to see things differently! The letters can be formed using our arms up for Y, then down, hands cupped around left eye with the loop of the R. Right hand down first. Then high five the next person, or just high five the sky, all to the count of five. See Zephaniah 3:9 and Micah 2:6 7 about the spirit of the LORD. Ps46.

I also forgot Gal.4:5 , Cor 10:12 there are many ways to be cut out there are more many more passages throughout the whole Bible,people have a mixed concept of truth

yes there are some that are wishy washy, some feel they are born again but John 3:5-9 , Matt: 7:22 and the Romans 1, I would say the whole chapter to be honest shows us the way to any other way is to err

As Matthew Henry pointed out, God will keep those who are saved till the end. A person who is Truly Born Again, cannot lose his or her salvation. But those, who are like, what Timothy or Titus, say's that there are some who are like clouds without water, they may have been enlightened, but, are wishy washy in their faith, when it comes down to true faith, they are saved always

I agree with the vine , but I was referring to the message in Roman's 11:17 and Paul being a Jew was speaking how we are grafted in and to read all about Abraham is truly amazing, how God picked him to be the father to all nations, coming from a pagan land as he did and God spoke to him and told him to travel into a land he did not know and he did by faith. Peace be with you God Bless you

Luke 16:22-25 was just a parable. The Bible is as clear as day where the dead go and is back to the ground until Christ's second coming when they shall be resurrected. Eccl 9:5,6, 1 Thess 4:16,17, Dan 12:2. It was based on what the Sadducees believed that the righteous ascend when they die while sinners burn eternally in hell and there is no resurrection after physical death.

Kindly read John 15:1-6. Jesus says He is the true vine and we are the branches. The branches that bare fruit a retained whereas them that bare not are cut off. Baring fruit is keeping the faith of Jesus and keeping his commandments Rev 14:12. Not baring fruit is the opposite, which most of the Jews did, they believed not whom God had sent which equates to eternal life John 17:3 and hence cut off.

He was God's chosen to be the father of his nations he is the Olive tree

Paul was speaking of the Olive tree which began with Abraham a promise again made by God to him that he would deliver his people the Jew , who bragged about being God's chosen and we gentiles were heathens without God this is what he is referring to here. we are grafted in because of their boasting and denying of Christ . Luke 16:22-25 shows who Abraham was and do not call him unclean, God's heart

Salvation to mankind was first foretold by God Himself in Genesis 3:15. There was no Abraham at that time. Abraham was a Chaldean a pagan but chosen by God to be the root in the lineage of Christ coming.But the Isralites rejected Christ and for their unbelief they were cut off. We were grafted in because of believing in God as John 1:12 says, we became the children of God.