Romans Chapter 12 Discussion Page 2

Herein there is no where the churches of our time have erred more greatly and especially in these United States. So far from condescending to men of low estate the desire of most gravitates toward those who are prestigious, and socially prominent. Thus for the most part only the well to do are found in the prominent places of our churches. This is in total contradiction of how it ought to be according to St. Paul as it is the POOR who are richest in faith, while the wealthy of this world, those most often given to greed and oppression should be those we trust the lest! It would be wise therefore we heed Paul's admonition and CONDESCEND to men of low estate, and let us thus prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God herein by putting some of our very poorest on our pulpit committees, and our Church boards to help direct things, rather then to only catering to our rich young rulers. Those poor among us in this worlds goods are not nearly as dumb as we seem to think. And if putting such like in these slots gives offence then so be it. We ought to just do it anyway. After all, who are we out to please? God or Man?!

Herein there is no where the churches of our time have erred more greatly and especially in these United States. So far from condescending to men of low estate the desire of most gravitates toward those who are prestigious, and socially prominent. Thus for the most part only the well to do are in found the prominent places of leadership in our churches here. this is in total contradiction of how it ought to be which is made so clear by St. Paul that it is the POOR, who are richest in faith, while the wealthy of this world being naturally greedy are most often oppressors! Therefore it is wise to CONDESCEND to men of low estate. Make sure poor folk are on our pulpit committees, our Church boards, and our board of directors, rather then to only be catering to the rich herein. The poor are not nearly as dumb as we seem to think, and if that means we must downsize than that is exactly what needs to be done. Who are we out to please? God or Man?!

It appears to me within the context of this passage certain believers in the church of

Roam tended to feel they had callings beyond what was true. As such they thought too much of themselves. This for sure is often the case with those young in the Lord once they discover themselves to be in posession of spiritual gifts.

Yes, since John 8:33 Esau now resides at the holy city, and acknowledges that they are Esau, and, are responsible for the wars, plagues, sacrifice and torture of many millions of children, we have a problem, as also explained at Malachi 1:3-4.

Esau, and Canaanites of pollution with fallen angel mating, plus those Masons and others who take imprecatory secret oaths to Satan, are spreading great hated and lies against The Creator, King of Heaven and earth, and, His Savior Son, who by His Blood Redeems us from eternal death if we truly love Him to live according to His Spirit and His Word. Now as Obadiah, Isaiah 63, tells us, as well as John 8:33-44, Matthew 23, Rev. 2 and 3 of the Synagogue of Satan. They have even polluted all institutions on the earth. They are also now destroying all creation, and have brought on the Mark of the Beast of Rev. 13:16, that tracks people by a matrix of computers over all the earth, and changes the DNA of our bodies that house the temple of our Savior and His Holy Spirit IF we choose the jab to be owned by Satan, instead. People are taking that Beast ownership Mark, which can not be undone.

We have not called on The Holy Names that Never changes since the beginning. See Palms 91, daniel 9:19, Exodus 9:16, Matthew 23:39 in the institutions of the earth! Like the 10 virgins, we need to call on Our Father in Heaven, and Hallow His Name, and forgive our debtors as we want to be forgiven, and, pray for enough Holy Spirit in our lamps.

At Declaration of Independence, last paragraph, we find THE CREATOR is our Judge! At Deuteronomy 17:8, hard matters are brought to Him for Judgement. Vengeance belongs to Him. He owns everything. Psalms 24. At Zephaniah 3, He Judges between His people and Satan. Isaiah 66, Hosiah 5:15 we find examples of The Creator's judgment. At Joel 3, we find The Creator gathering the people's of the earth of war, together for a feast of the condemned flesh for the predator animals of the earth.

don't be like this World living in sin ,but change is important living a life for Jesus that is tranformation

Matthew 12:40 is only 1 piece of evidence as to the timeline

Matthew 28:1 - says it was Sunday Jesus rose

Mark 16:1 - same the same

John 20:1 - same

Luke 24:1 - very early in the morning the first day of the week (Sunday), even more specific.

I think it's solid that Jesus was gone from the tomb by early on Sunday morning.

Theory: maybe Matthew 12:40 doesn't mean Jesus's body in the tomb, but Jesus preaching to spirits in hades in the center of the earth? 1 Peter 3:18-20, Ephesians 4:8-10. Maybe his body was in the tomb from Friday to Sunday morning, but his spirit was in the 'lower parts of the earth' for 3 days and 3 nights. This is only a theory.

Christians celebrate Easter because Jesus was resurrected on a Sunday, the 1st day of the week.

To meet the 3 days and nights in the earth....Jesus could NOT have died on Friday.

So since he remained in the earth for 3 days and nights...he died before Friday. We also know he rested on Saturday (Sabbath). He even honored the Sabbath in death - very important example for us.

So a possible timeframe is Jesus died on Thursday, late day, and remained in the earth:

Thursday night

Friday morning

Friday night

Saturday morning

Saturday night

Sunday Morning for a period of time

God Bless

"Easter" is only found in the Bible once. In Acts, I think concerning James being killed and Peter in prison waiting for Roman holiday (Easter) to be over.

The Lord sprung Peter out of jail that very night!

Yay!!

The Jewish/Christian holiday we celebrate, is:

PASSOVER!!!!!!!!

It was hard for me to get bunnies and Reese eggs out of my head too...

Jesus had five half brothers, namely, James (Ya'qov), Simon (Shim'on), Judah (Yehudah), Joses (Yosef) and Thomas (Toma'). And he also had two half sisters, Rachel (Rakhel) and Lea (Le'ah).

The truth shall make you free.

Mark 6:3, Matthew 13:55-56, Mark 3:31-35.

Who were Jesus's Brothers and sisters?

If Jesus was crucified on Friday and to be in the grave 3 nites and 3 days, why do we celebrate Easter onSunday?

Richard, may the Spirit grace us with HIS wisdom and His understanding.

When Christ returns with his saints to rule and judge this world then we will see:

Isaiah 26:9 With my soul I have desired in the night; yea, with my spirit within me will I speak early: for when thy JUDGEMENTS are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world WILL LEARN RIGHTEOUSNESS.

Revelation 17:16-17 And the ten horns (overcomers, judges) which thou saw on the beast (man who does not have the name of their Father written in their forehead) shall hate the whore (those unfaithful to Christ their husband) and shall make her desolate and naked (judgement), and shall eat her flesh (judgement), and shall burn her with fire (judgement).

(vs 17) For God has put in their hearts to fulfil his will (turn the other cheek, love your enemies), and to AGREE (with him), and give THEIR KINGDOM unto the beast, until the words of God be fulfilled.

Revelations 15:4 ..... for ALL NATIONS shall come and worship before thee; for thy JUDGEMENTS are made manifest.

Psalms 67:7 God shall bless us; and all the ends of the earth shall fear him.

Isaiah 52:10 The LORD hath made bare his holy arm in the eyes of all the nations; and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of the God.

Amen brother Richard. Amen.

These verses are for all of us!

Matthew 16:17

"And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven"

Hello,

I feel to reply to your post and expand to what Carleton stated. In this wicked world we live in one of the most important questions we, those who follow Christ, can ask ourselves when a situation occurs is "what would Jesus Christ do"?

It is right that the truth be spread and exposed. What is right and wrong. A big problem is the evil powers of this world own pretty much everything to do with mass communication. T.V., radio, internet, schools, etc and many people are brainwashed and deceived. Only a very small portion can be trusted to follow truth in whatever way. Although the devil mixes lies with truth to make it even harder for people to denote one from the other.

As I have been following what has been going on with the powers that be in the world for probably the last decade. Violence and fighting physically accomplishes nothing but more violence and blood shed. What the evil one wants. People to destroy themselves, by dividing them in any way, for their gain.

We, who follow Christ, are to live in peace. To turn the other cheek. To love and have mercy even on our enemies. Who I do not see as any other "person". It is the devil and the evil powers that be who control people in this world. That is what/who I hate. Not people. As I feel sorrow that they are being led to damnation. Hoping, and praying, one day in their lives they shall see the light and give themselves to the Lord. One more repentant sinner who has been saved.

Here are a couple verses from the OT and NT for you. With Romans 12:21. Reading Romans 12:17-21 gives a better view. Fear not those who can destroy the body, but Him who can destroy both body and soul in Gehenna/Hell.

Matthew 10:27-28.

Ecclesiastes 5:8

Micah 6:8

Matthew 5:39-45

Ephesians 6:11-17

They that take the sword shall perish with the sword. Matthew 26:52.

Jesus Christ is the only way. Not fighting for this, or any, "country". "Vengeance is mine, I will repay, saith the Lord."

With respect. God Bless.

Jesus is the Lamb and I want to be like Jesus. Those who want to fight are plenty, those who want to be a lamb are few. The world will be the world to the end, it is corrupt and is close as our very flesh. But Jesus died for me so that I can have power over my lustily flesh to avoid revenge and power to love my neighbor as myself and present the message in this untoward world that Jesus is Calling.

:)

Many of you are translating this verse to mean passivity. The main thrust of the Bible, in which everything should be followed, is through love for God. The second is like unto it, that we are doing it for our neighbor (more than regard for ourselves). I am here to tell you, that if you live in the USA, you should not translate this "Be not overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good" as be passive and unresponsive! That is not thinking of others. Unfortunately, the people in the USA do not know their history, and do not understand that our forefathers who fought for freedom, believed that overcoming evil was TO FIGHT EVIL. To fight evil is fighting for everybody.

We have become such a wimpy passive soy boy society. You do not live in a communist country or a tyrannical dictatorship, yet. Therefore, to knoweth to do good, by using your God given rights and privileges and thinking of everyone, and doeith it not, to him it is sin.

When you don't protect and fight for your freedom, and you just comply, you are allowing lies to flourish, and allowing the takeover by the Evil One.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

This prayer should be on every Christians heart and we must be willing to obey what God has given to us in His Word. Praise God

Greetings,

I'm not sure I really understand your opening statement...

"Jesus Christ is come in the flesh (Being witnessed by his own blood in the earth.) Therefore, IT IS SINFUL TO DIE A BODILY DEATH."

If "IT IS SINFUL TO DIE A BODILY DEATH," then according to that allegation, Jesus did something sinful, which contradicts, Hebrews 4:15, that Jesus never sinned even though He was tempted like we are.

"For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin." Heb 4:15.

Perhaps you could explain what you meant to clear things up. That would really help me.

Thank you.

Jesus Christ is come in the flesh (Being witnessed by his own blood in the earth.) Therefore, IT IS SINFUL TO DIE A BODILY DEATH. For this very thing, it is written in the Holy Scriptures, and taught, of God: I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, WHICH IS your reasonable service. And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what IS that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. The last enemy THAT shall be destroyed IS death.

Does it say what tribe of the bible pale people come from?

What happens in the story of God Calls Abraham in Genesis

"To think of oneself more highly" speaks of a person who believes he has the gifts & qualities that exceed those seen in others. Narcissism is an extreme form of self-aggrandizement or self-elevation & is diametrically opposed to what was in Jesus Christ & what the Holy Spirit produces in a child of God.

What does it mean to think high of oneself.?

Matthew 6:9-13; Luke 11:1-4 (in part).

What chapter is the Lord's Prayer in

David, as a 14 year old, you're certainly dealing with a lot of internal strife & challenges, & this demonstrates quite an advanced mental & spiritual development in you.

Without knowing all your facts, what I do detect is that you have a strong Will & direction for your life, & when things are not going according to plan, you become troubled & amazed. Though you did state that you're finding out that God has been helping through your problems. However, I don't think you will ultimately be successful by doing things in your wisdom & strength.

For the Christian, it takes a lot of faith in God, to be able to step back & let God lead us, direct us & help us through our difficulties. The natural man says, "I can do it on my own", because that is something inbuilt in us to bring out the "self will & self confidence" we have to know everything & accomplish everything. But as you've found out, there's limitations to what you can do & that your efforts don't always turn out as you would like. It's true that God does expect us to use the wisdom & knowledge He gives us to deal with life's matters, but He also expects us that we know from where this knowledge comes from & to Whom we need to run to when our resources are exhausted. I sense, you are learning this important Truth.

Proverbs 14:12 says, "There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death." This tells us, at least in respect of the course & end of one's life, that man will always determine how his fate will end. But his 'wisdom' is actually folly because he simply cannot know from within himself something that only God knows & determines for man.

Rather, we must cast ourselves upon the Lord completely. Proverbs 3:5-7, "Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths. Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil." As Christians, we must fully trust Him.

Honestly speaking, it doesn't matter how much evil is going on in this world, we just need to make sure we do not walk along with this evil and don't join in on it because it's easier to get judged by god if you're a Christian than if you're not. To all Christians, it is more dangerous to walk in evil than for non-Christians because they were taught so much about God and all the things he does to people who do evil. Christians get in more trouble cause they should know better cause they were taught about what to do and what not to do. A Christian doing evil is like lying to God with your actions.

I might be a 14 year old but that doesn't mean I don't know my information about the Bible. I admit that I have done a lot of wrong in my life but trust me, I am trying my hardest not to do wrong but I am struggling. The problem is that I believe to myself that my ways to accomplish things is easier cause I do not like working to accomplish something, but I learned that the hard way cause I have been dealing with challenges and none of my ways are working. I do not like dealing with these problems without my ways working but I don't know any other ways to fix them. All these problems are problems that I have been working hard on and I noticed that with all the problems I am working hard on, I am actually doing better with fixing these problems than when I used my ways, now that is just the power of God I know for a fact. He has been giving me ways to to fix problems and he has showed me that not all my problems can be fixed my way and he has showed me that in order to deal with these problems, I am going to have to work for my accomplishments.

If you read this, Thank You

Sabina, the Spirit of truth be with you, Christ was betrayed and killed; yet none had apathy for him. Christ said, Father forgive them for they no what they do. The Spirit grace you with his love, forgive them and live under Christ authority; recompense is mine saith the Lord.