Romans Chapter 5 Discussion Page 2

Hello,

Unfortunately, I think your missing the point. The point that I was making is that the persons of the Old Testament who did God's will, had God's favor and acceptance. Those who did not do God's will or stopped doing God's will, lost God's favor and acceptance.

Abel, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Joseph, David, and many others did what God told them to do and had God's favor. Cain, Korah, King Saul, and many others disobeyed God and lost God's favor.

Would Noah have retained God's favor had he stopped building the ark? (No.)

Would Korah have avoided being destroyed by God, had he stopped opposing Moses? (Yes.)

1 Samuel 15:22-23 "And Samuel said, Hath the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in OBEYING THE VOICE OF THE LORD? Behold, TO OBEY is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams. For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also REJECTED THEE from being king.

1 Chronicles 28:9 "And thou, Solomon my son, know thou the God of thy father, and serve him with a perfect heart and with a willing mind: for the LORD searcheth all hearts, and understandeth all the imaginations of the thoughts: if thou seek him, he will be found of thee; but IF THOU FORSAKE HIM, HE WILL CAST THEE OFF FOR EVER."

The Apostles, writing to the Christians, warned them time and time again to obey God and not to disobey God.

See 1 Corinthians 10:1-12.

Kindly.

God had already had Lucifer thrown to earth. Satan was lurking in the Garden, studying Eve and Adam, looking for weak places; a way to tempt them.

Eve was tempted with food.

On his 40 day fast in the wilderness, Jesus was tempted with food by Satan.

It's probable that even now, Satan is tempting people with food, fame, power, delusions of grandeur, ponzie schemes etc.

Reading that passage shows the ways Satan tempts us. Also, how Jesus defeated him every single temptation! He used the Word of God.

"It is WRITTEN!! You shall not tempt the Lord your God."

"Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word out of the mouth of God."

That's exactly how we are to fight Satan. Your bank of scripture, written in your heart, directly decides who is going to win the Battle (spiritual warfare). If you got nothing, you may get hurt.

Scripture is your arsenal. Personally, I want some long guns, missiles, etc. Look what Satan did to Job.

Jesus gave us Ephesians 6, and he means for us (men , women, kids, grandparents) to wear the Armor of Jesus Christ and use the weapons.... the Word of God.

Hello sister Sacha, Thank you for your kindness. I am thinking of 2 Timothy 1:3

right now.

:)

The Scriptures about the Godhead. Sometimes called "Let Us..." in some passages. These scriptures are evidence of all 3 persons of the Godhead speaking to each other.

Genesis 1:26, 3:22, 11:7

Isaiah 6:8

Romans 1:20

Colossians 2:9

Acts 17:27-30

1 John 5:7

John 10:30

"For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made (us), even his eternal power and GODHEAD so that they are without excuse:"

Father Purposes

Jesus speaks the Word

The Holy Spirit (action) accomplishes it

If you are born again, the Holy Spirit seals you; He is the Spirit of Jesus Christ. He indwells you. Comforts you. He is your Teacher. He anoints you to understand scripture. He is your Helper. He is gentle, and kind. He reveals Jesus to you.

Ana, may CHRIST IN US (Spirit of God) grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

Genesis 1:2 ... And the (Holy) Spirit of God moved upon the waters.

Genesis 1:1 In the BEGINNING God (the Spirit) created heaven and earth.

The SPIRIT (of GOD) is the only ONE (LIFE) that is eternal; no beginning and no end.

We are GIFTED (GRACED) through the WORKS of CHRIST (Spirit of GOD) with this same GIFT (no end to life); GIFTED to those that believe in the THE WORKS OF GOD (SPIRIT).

Psalms 102:18 This shall be written for the generation to come: and the people which SHALL BE CREATED (in the likeness of Christ; LIFE and BODY)(FULLNESS of GOD) shall praise the LORD.

For those who think God is violent and mean, throughout the Old Testament: On 'Bible study tools dot com is an good read on this very subject.

Google this: Is God More Violent in the Old Testament Than the New?

Good day my brothers and sisters in the Lord,

As I may have stated these things before I believe they are a way of pointing to the Divinity of Christ or His pre-existence. Being one with the Father.

Many places throughout the NT it is stated that when we are "born again" we receive the Holy Ghost from above. Which also in many places we have the Spirit of God in us and the Spirit of Christ in us. I hope no one would just want to pick one out of the three.

We are told the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Truth in several places. We know the Spirit of God is life. As in Genesis 2:7 God brought fourth life to the dust He formed us from by the breath of life. So there's two things that connect directly to John 14:6 Jesus Christ saying "I AM" these things.

We know Jesus Christ is the Mediator between God and man. I don't see any way of someone being this except He were both. God and man. We see even in the OT denoting our Creator having a Son. Before He was born of the flesh here. Proverbs 30:4.

We know about John 1 in that He is the Word of God who became flesh and dwelt among us. Also noted as the Lamb of God from John the baptist. Who also stated that one was coming after him who was before him. John was around six months older than Jesus Christ. This seems to point to pre-existence. Also as another stated to be a perfect sacrifice for the entire world I would think it would have to be more than just a "perfect human". Being the Lamb of God He is part of God.

Again I know some have a their own view of these things. Though to just use the Scripture and let the Holy Ghost be your teacher it is sure.

I want to end this with just saying how thankful I am that Lord has chosen me to have received His Holy Spirit. To live for Him. All the things He has allowed me to see, hear, feel. Priceless. There is nothing else that interests me anymore except to please our Father and thank Him continually for sending us His Son. To be reconciled with the Father through Him.

I'm talking about the physically manifested, end-time firsfruits of Jesus Christ. The Church. The Bride. The two witnesses are much more special than meets the eye. In fact you could devote a lifetime to Sunday school, and never uncover the clews of who they are. They are the elite set, one hundred forty four thousand gleaned from Israel, the remnant who after battling satan, are resurrected into Christ's army. Only these elect qualify ( Revelation 14:4) to be firstfruits for the thousand years.

However, due to above corresponding, and conflicting scriptures, any opinion falls inconclusive. The gut feeling says everyone else awaits second entry; all 108 billion souls that ever lived. What do we care, we'll be sleeping.

Amen Brother Carlton.

Thanks and God bless.

Carleton ,what a lovely post ,thankyou ,the way you express yourself ,in all your post ,should be an example to us all ,you always make your point perfectly clear without any note of aggresion at all , i can learn from you and so can all of us i think ,you never sound as if you are trying to belittle any one or provoke anger in any one ,its a gift and you have it ,please keep using it for all our sakes .

Critical thinking is the basic tenet of the skeptical approach. It is an approach that underpins all of its activities and findings, drawing on the scientific method (research, analysis and peer review) to provide the evidence for our points of view.

Skeptic definition

* a person who doubts the truth of Christianity and other religions; an atheist.

* an attitude of doubt or a disposition to incredulity either in general or toward a particular object; the doctrine that true knowledge or some particular knowledge is uncertain; the method of suspended judgment, systematic doubt, or criticism that is characteristic of skeptics (Merriam-Webster).



* Skeptical theism is the view that God exists but that we should be skeptical of our ability to discern God's reasons for acting or refraining from acting in any particular instance.

If we really want to believe that the Universe didn't explode in the Big Bang, and that our ancestors didn't crawl out of goo, stand up and walk into college.

Why is it so hard to believe in God? He's

Not a creator of weapons systems or video games,

But a Creator of this planet we live on; fight and die for; enjoy every day of our lives.

Scientists now say (recent info from satellites sent to study our solar system):

All the planets once had huge bodies of water. Even Pluto. They see the water beds.

They surmised that all of the water on other planets evaporated because of location to our Sun.

How is it that only Earth has abundant water?

Other planets closer to the sun than earth; and planets further into space behind earth: have only empty sea beds. PBS dot ORG, to see that scientific report.

We serve a Godhead of unsearchable intelligence, knowledge, power, creative expression, intuition, communication.

As some people say: haters are gonna hate; as do the doubters. Faith is a mystery. God loves people of FAITH.

He reveals Himself to Believers. Why miss out on that? Are you a skeptic?

Mishael

Firstfruits

The first-fruits of the ground were offered unto God just as the first-born of man and animals. "The law required, (1.) That on the morrow after the Passover Sabbath a sheaf of new corn should be waved by the priest before "the altar ( Lev. 23:5, 6, 10, 12; 2:12)." "(2.) That at the feast of Pentecost two loaves of leavened "bread, made from the new flour, were to be waved in like manner" "( Lev. 23:15, 17; Num. 28:26)." "(3.) The feast of Tabernacles was an acknowledgement that the fruits of the harvest were from the Lord ( Ex. 23:16; 34:22). "(4.) Every individual, besides, was required to consecrate to God a portion of the first-fruits of the land ( Ex. 22:29; 23:19; "34:26; Num. 15:20, 21)." "(5.) The law enjoined that no fruit was to be gathered from "newly-planted fruit-trees for the first three years, and that" the first-fruits of the fourth year were to be consecrated to the Lord ( Lev. 19:23-25). Jeremiah (2:3) alludes to the "ordinance of "first-fruits," and hence he must have been" "acquainted with the books of Exodus, Leviticus, and Numbers," where the laws regarding it are recorded.

Thankfully brother Spencer we have so many bible instructions on the operations of the body of Christ, the Church and bride, including a washing of our feet by one another and greeting with an Holy Kiss, we have clear instructions to examine our lives together as members of the the bride so that we can commune together in oneness by the Spirit. My wife and I who were married in the Lord are one in faith as well as many of my closest brethren which I can count into the hundreds and hundreds whom I have met and greeted.

So we endeavor by the Grace of God in Jesus Christ to walk more closely in him which often requires denying ourselves of our own wants and ambitions so that we can be more like him, the Lamb of God.

God bless our faithful conversation in peace that has no end.

What makes you think that anyone other than the first fruits are first fruits?

( Revelation 14:3-5)

3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the first fruits unto God and to the Lamb.

5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.

It is only the one hundred forty four thousand, resurrected and standing at the throne of God.

The rest of the dead slept till the second resurrection.

BUT WAIT, were not finished, or without contradiction:

( 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17)

15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Did all of the one hundred forty four thousand die, or did some take cover? vs 17 says those alive will be caught up with the dead to meet the Lord in the air. I tend to believe from the great number of sealed Israelites that some must remain alive. After all, they are witnesses to anti-christ's exploits, and need to see it to the end. Per usual, looking into the translation, etymology would iron matters out.

Hi Carlton.

I agree, and what came to mind is I believe the Lord gave us marriage to communicate his love to the Church.

A husband and wife should model that relationship.

Ephesians 5:22-28. Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.

For the HUSBAND IS THE HEAD OF THE WIFE, EVEN AS CHRIST IS THE HEAD OF THE CHURCH: and he is the saviour of the body.

Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

( THAT HE MIGHT SANCTIFY AND CLEANSE IT WITH THE WASHING OF WATER BY THE WORD, )

THAT HE MIGHT PRESENT IT TO HIMSELF A GLORIOUS CHURCH, NOT HAVING SPOT, OR WRINKLE, OR ANY SUCH THING; BUT THAT IT SHOULD BE HOLY AND WITHOUT BLEMISH.

So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.

""THAT GOD MIGHT SANCTIFY AND CLEANSE US!!!""

Mathew 19:5-6. And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and THEY TWAIN SHALL BE ONE FLESH?

Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, LET NOT MAN PUT ASUNDER

These verses remind me of Romans 8:28-39. No separation, No divorce. Nothing can separate us from the love of the Lord.

God bless

There is thinking and knowing. All of our thoughts on any issue, must line up with the written Word of God.

Knowing, is discovering God's will on any matter of question.

Accepting what God has said on any matter is profitable to our growth as children of God.

Our Daddy does not ever lie, or make things fuzzy so we cannot understand it.

A lying spirit would be happy to get us off track, imagining and wondering; even fantasizing.

The Chief Shepherd leads His sheep. Another "voice" they will not follow. Why? Because the Shepherd cares for His sheep.

People in the Bible, were allowed to catch a brief glimpse of Heaven. Paul, Stephen, John and Peter, Elisha, Elijah and many more! Encourage yourself on all those examples that you are able to dig out of the Bible. The trip is worth it.

God's not hiding heaven from us, at all.

My 8 yr old son didn't want to go to heaven because he said "heaven doesn't have pizza."

I told the Lord about it. Instantly, the Lord said, there will be pizza in heaven I fell off the sofa almost.

The 'accusations' that we hear, that heaven is boring, not cool, not fun, boring food... are Lies from Satan. He knows all of our weaknesses. Why wouldn't he seek to discourage us? Let's learn to say: I rebuke that lie in the Name of Jesus! Goliath told David what he was going to do to him..and David killed Goliath with a rock; and then severed Goliaths head.

The lying demons will leave, IF we confront them with Truth and scripture.They have billions of others who will listen. Chop it's head off and go on with your Victorious Savior, Jesus!

I always think it's a mighty thing to uncover things about God that aren't discussed much.. and study it and then showcase what God has done and is going to do.

Often missed in the story of Gideon: God down-sized his army to a small group. Soldiers that were able to bear full dress, a pack, armor, and LAP water like a deer, keeping a watch for the enemy intently.

M.

At the last trump, when the mystery is revealed; the king of kings doesn't need to come down to earth in secret.

Thank you brother Spencer for taking the time. I lean towards this thought being what Paul was trying to say. I do agree that these verses do not lend much support if any to the subject of personal salvation.

I am a witness though to very many reconsecrations from what appeared be, by their own words, having been overtaken in sin. The very short story and I have my own too, are night and day changes in spirit, actions and love from coming through a repentance and then separation from the willing sin(s). The power of the Holy Spirit in some of these changes is convincing to anyone witnessing at the time. These experiences from separation by sin to repentance and reconsecration are good and edifying and keep the Church of God blameless. My thoughts are open to correction.

Hi Michael.

I agree on moving on,

I just wanted to give my thoughts on your last reference.

Psalms 51:11. CAST ME NOT AWAY FROM THY PRESENCE; and take not thy holy spirit from me.

In the old testament God's presence came amongst them and I believe empowered them.

The spirit even came upon Nebuchadnezzar and many others as instruments. Today he put his Spirit in us.

Hebrews 10:16-19. This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.

Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,

King David was a man after the Lord's own heart but he lost his joy and that's what he's crying out for.

Psalms 51:12. "RESTORE UNTO ME THE JOY" of thy salvation; and uphold me with thy free spirit.

Psalms 51:14. DELIVER ME FROM BLOODGUILTINESS, O God, thou God of my salvation: and my tongue shall sing aloud of thy righteousness.

Thanks Michael.

God bless

Hi ,does any one else think that the true sabbath is yet to come ? One day is as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day ,might not the true sabbath be the one thousand years reign of Christ over the humans left on earth ,wherein sin shall exist because humans still exist ,but sin shall be greatly dimished ? Could not the one thousand year reign of Christ in person from Jerusalem be the true sabbath ? All imput appreciated .

Dear Brother Richard in Christ,

That is a very good question regarding the Saturday/Sabbath, and Jesus showed us numerous times that we can perform "good work" helping, saving a persons life, healing, feeding the hungry, etc.

Luke 6:9

"Then said Jesus unto them, I will ask you one thing; Is it lawful on the sabbath days to do good, or to do evil? to save life, or to destroy it?"

Luke 6:10

"And looking round about upon them all, he said unto the man, Stretch forth thy hand. And he did so: and his hand was restored whole as the other."

So Jesus showed us we can do good things on the sabbath.

I believe as a Christian I should not work or try to gain for "myself" on Saturday/Sabbath. I should also not participate in any worldly activities ie: sporting events, going to movies, etc.

God is asking us to give him 1 day out of 7 to rest and give thanks. Is that to much for him to ask? I don't think so, especially if is so important to God that he says "REMEMBER TO KEEP HOLY THE SABBATH". Not something I want to handle lightly....nor God forbid - Forget!

There are millions of christians today that are comfortable forgetting the 4th Commandment - I thank God that I am not one of them.

God Bless

Hi Carlton,

Good Question, I believe Paul's Message to the Jews that may have possibly witnessed the crucifixion would not change if he spoke to those who haven't seen, as well as us.

Which leaves each view with the same problem, "Impossible to restore " When l consider verses 7, 8, and 9

I believe he's talking about what accompany salvation. "Maturity and fruitfulness by the Spirit, It's Impossible to achieve that under the Leviticus priesthood. That would be in the context with ch 4 and 5 and the following chapter, ch 7. Let's do a study on verses 6 and 7, I believe they speak of Growth.

Thiese are very tough verses to. e dogmatic, But can for sure rule out loosing salvation.

God bless.

Hello brother Spencer, Is there a choice of Paul speaking in the Hebrew's 6 interpretations of this repentance being for the Jews alive who witnessed the heavenly gift crucified, being then only, in Jesus Christ at Calvary, that no other day will come?

Thank you for your thoughts.

Michael.

As we know there's several views of Hebrews 6. Here's 4 commonly used.

1) Paul is talking to unconverted Jews that has been enlightened but turned back to Judaism.

2) Paul is talking Jewish believers to urge them towards Maturity, who's mengaling in Judaism, as did the Galatians.

3) Paul is talking to a mix of the 2 just mentioned 1 and 2.

4) He's talking about Jews loosing salvation.

Consider this verse you mentioned-

Hebrews 6:4. For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

"IF" This verse means salvation, IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO RENEW YOU AGAIN UNTO REPENTANCE. "" MEANING YOU HAVE ONE CHANCE IN A LIFETIME TO

GET IT RIIGHT!! ARE YOU ARE FOREVER LOST!! IT IS IMPOSSIBLE!!! To renew the broken commitment, MEANING ONCE YOU COMMIT ONE SIN YOU ARE LOST.

Which Dont fit in the light of these scriptures?

Jude 1:24-25. Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,

To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

2 Timothy 1:12. For the which cause I also suffer these things: nevertheless I am not ashamed: for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day.

John 10:28-29. And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

Romans 8:38-39. For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,

Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Hi brother Dan,

If I may just ask you one question concerning keeping the "Sabbath day" holy. In several places it states:

Exodus 31:15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.

Exodus 35:2 Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a sabbath of rest to the LORD: whosoever doeth work therein shall be put to death.

The question I ask is what would you say to someone who worked on the Sabbath day to help someone else or do something good/righteous?

Thank you for your time. I would just like to know what your perspective is in not doing any work and resting as the OT clearly states for that commandment.

God Bless.

Hello Dan,

The question, though, begs to be answered. Why did the Apostles never write to the Church to obey the Sabbath. I don't find the 10 commandments in the letters from Romans to Revelation. They speak only about the commandments - which refers to the commandments of the New Testament. Sabbath keepers always turn to the Old Testament books such as Exodus to say that we must keep the Sabbath. Why don't they quote from the instruction letters sent to the Church - Romans to Revelation?

I would answer, because the Apostles never instructed the Church to do so. In fact, Paul says the complete opposite.

Colossians 2:16 "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the SABBATH DAYS:"

I, personally, will follow Paul's advice - and let no man judge me.

I respect your thoughts, though, and I will agree to disagree and move on.

Good day, Dan.

Hello S Spencer.

1) In short, yes, Peter is warning about false prophets who left the true faith and, in short, apostatized. But, the warning that Peter is giving, is to faithful believers, to not follow them and become rejected as they were. Notice.

2 Peter 2:3 "And through covetousness shall THEY (apostates) with feigned words make merchandise of YOU (true faithful believers): whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not."

The apostates want to make the faithful Christians into apostates too. Thus, the warning. Why? Because there is a real serious danger.

2) They were not just enlightened, they were true believers.

Hebrews 6:4 "For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made PARTAKERS OF THE HOLY SPIRIT,"

If you are made partakers of the Hold Spirit, you have received God's Holy Spirit and are a Christian. You have to safeguard that or God will take away his Holy Spirit.

Psalms 51:11 "Cast me not away from thy presence; and TAKE NOT YOUR HOLY SPIRIT FROM ME."

I concur with you, though, in that we can agree to disagree and move on.

Good day.

Hi Michael.

Part 1

You've posted a lot of scripture, unfortunately many of the same scripture.

some refers to those were enlightened but not saved, "as many of us today but never coming to Christ for salvation " And some saved but haven't matured as you see here.

" Hebrews 5:12-14 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.

For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.

But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil."

And we see both groups in the verses you stated.

But Like a said and still say it's not talking about SALVATION in Romans 6.

Another verse you keep posting is 2 Peter 2:20 to make a point of losing salvation from a group that never had it. if you want to consider that verse let's start from verse 1.

Read on please. Thanks

Michael.

Pg. 2

2 Peter 2:1-19. But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.

And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.

For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;

And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;

And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:

(For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds;)

The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:

But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.

Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord.

But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;

And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you;

Micheal.

Pg 3.

2 Peter 2:14-20 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:

Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;

But was rebuked for his iniquity: the dumb ass speaking with man's voice forbad the madness of the prophet.

These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever.

For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.

While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.

For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

THESE PEOPLE PETER IS SPEAKING OF HAS HEARD THE GOSPEL BUT IS NOT SAVED.

Let's move on to something else.

God bless.