Romans Chapter 8 Discussion Page 16

On Election: We need to understand God determined who would be saved not man

The whole human race deserved destruction; but for reasons not perfectly known to us, God determined to recover some by regeneration and the power of his grace. He predestinated, or before decreed, that they should be conformed to the image of his Son. In this life they are in part renewed, and walk in his steps.

We must have the Spirit of Christ in order to please God. Jesus makes intercession for the saints according to the will of God. The Lord has a masterful plan of salvation. The depth of God's knowledge is captivating and inspiring. Most of all, it shows his saving grace and the infinite love God has for mankind.

B) While there are verses within this chapter that we all have memorized and like to quote often, it is important for those who have been deeply scarred by a sinful past to remember that each and every verse in this chapter is specifically addressing the redeemed spirit that is residing in a body that is yet to be redeemed! And there are no exceptions. This is true from verse 1 to verse 39!

Nicely written, Rhona: Thank you!

What a wonderful promise we have, from our creator! God the Father, Son n Holy Ghost, that in all thing we can overcome our trials n temptation, be it sicknesses, family, job or whatever is troubling you. We can beat this through God who loves us. Just have faith in him who loves you

You know this verse is so appropriate all the time but today its so significant. It has brought back to memory how we are not to stress ourselves. Why? As it plainly states in all these things. What things? Everything the good the bad the disappointments, in friends and family we have to take a step back and ponder on the word. Even in those situations when the enemy comes to take away your hopes and joy that we are strong in God and He has our backs and we can conquer all things, but only with His help. Sometimes its hard to do so but we cannot give up or give in. We are strong and created in His image and we are conquerors in Jesus name. The most High God. Amen? So be strong and stay strong through it all. We are winners.

Good, myGod bless you for doing the work of the lord

B) While there are verses within this chapter that we all have memorized

Steve and Jeff (cont.); What can be the most frustrating for those who really want to help and guide the other back to soundness and health in the LORD; is that they tend to build a hard shell like a turtle and hide from every one who wants to talk sensibly to them. Then also you have others scrutinizing YOUR motives and words, instead of rather supporting the rescue efforts of the erring brother.

Steve; You are right with your concerns! I think it is a fairly common trick of the devil, that apparently works very well, to allure a young man by flattering him, when he might be just beginning to understand some truth; by telling him that his superior spirituality and brain capacity has found a methodology for making all Scripture mean only what they "think" they know; making them unteachable.

Jeff; I'm afraid that the hardest ones to reason with are those who have an idea in which they think EVERY Scripture is a coded message locked up to everyone else but them, for they have the key. Unknown to these is the fact obvious to the rest of us, is that they have isolated themselves from all of God's counsel and the whole of His Doctrine. They think that everything means what only they know!

Alex, what/who replaces the church?

Alex, replacement theology is replacing the only way to the Father with something other than our Lord and Savior, Jesus. I think you are in error comparing the old covenant with the covenant of Grace.

Concerning his Mother Mary a woman greatly blessed,but she was just a metaphor for the Church that is gonna birth Christ when that woman was praising Mary saying blessed is the womb that bare thee and the paps you have sucked Jesus said MORE blessed are them that hear the word and keeps it His word is the good seed that is gonna form Christ in US. Who is my MOTHER?THEM THAT HEAR TH WORD N KEEPS IT

Alex; NO, Sarah was the chosen mother, for she was the wife of Abraham; Sarah did not replace Hagar! The matter concerning Hagar was a Satan-inspired thought to overthrow the Promise of the Saviour to come through Sarah. Hagar and Ishmael are the usurpers and have ever since been the haters and persecutors of Israel. A "Replacement" assumes that the one was first chosen, which she was NOT!

Hiya Disciple yes Sarrah did REPLACE Hagar God said cast out the bond woman n her son, she shall not be heir with the free Woman,But its gets deeper N better Just as Issac was formed in Sarrah. But now Christ is gonna be formed in US VIA THE GOOD SEED Ya gotta realize that now th CHURCH REPLACES Mary MY LIL CHILDREN OF WHOM I TRAVAIL IN BIRTH TILL CHRIST BE FORMED IN YOU NOW WE ARE HIS MOTHER. GBU

Christ the 2nd Adam came to redeem the children of the 1st Adam. Sarah didn't replace Hagar; Hagar was a bondwoman and her son a heathen usurper. Sarah and Isaac were the chosen and anointed family of Promise. The shedding of blood of animals was done for pointing to Christ, and accepted for atonement only in that light; it never had power in itself to cleanse the conscience of the worshiper.

B) While there are verses within this chapter that we all have memorized

We see replacement theology all thru the bible. 2 nd adam replaces 1st adam, issac replaced ishmael, sarrah replaced hagar, Samuel a child replaced wicked Eli, king david replaced king saul, th new covenant replaces the old covenant, new jerusalem replaces old jerusalem,the blood of christ replaces the blood of animals, LEVITICAL PRIESTHOOD IS REPLACED BY A NEW PRIESTHOOD AFTER MELCHEZEDEC, GBU

C) "There is therefore now...". But "now" he says. "Now" There is a new law (ie., a new principle). A principle that he refers to as "the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus" (8:2). He continues to say that this "law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made" us "free from the" old "law of sin and death." He then spends the rest of chapter 8 elaborating.

Jeff; AMEN Brother! "Those of us" know very well how much we hurt ourselves and others by sinning, before we repented and were truly converted! It is written, Then thou shalt remember thy ways, and be ashamed..And I will establish my covenant with thee; and thou shalt know that I am the LORD: Ezekiel 16:61-63 We are now clean through the Word which Jesus has spoken unto us; but now have to fight!

D) Now, while no blood washed child of God walks away from a "sinful" past without a scar, I believe there are those of us that are so deeply scarred that living a victorious life seems to be an ever elusive dream. For that one, the dream of living a victorious life can only become a reality once he fully understands that he is a redeemed spirit residing in a yet to be redeemed body!

Bookreadingismything: I don't even know you, but I forgive you. I wish their were more like you. Prosper in the Good Lord.

Romans 8 is the crown jewel of the Bible. It tells us all we need to know of this life. Even though there is a spiritual battle going on in the world, and in our lives, we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. If God be for us, who can be against us. Remember the Holy Spirit is not an it, but He is the third Person of the Godhead.

Amen, thank you Jesus! I have repented, with much remorse, for the many things I said and did when I was younger and foolish. I wish I could go back and fix it all, especially for one individual. Way back when we were in elementary school, I did apologize for what I did. as I was deeply sorry. She accepted it, but our friendship was over as her family did not want us to be friends anymore. I don't blame them, as it was all my fault. I was afraid of the ones who bullied her and instead of fighting them off, I joined in because I was so afraid of them they too, bullied me , but that is NO excuse. I wish I could go back and fight them, even if it meant getting myself beat up for it. I would have gladly taken a punch in the nose for her. For over fifty years I have been ashamed and full of guilt, and begged God's forgiveness. I just hope my former friend has a wonderful, blessed life, full of love and God's goodness, and is truly happy.

i'll,never end it

So you are neither free to keep sinner because Jesus was the sin nearer. And you keep sinning throughout your lifetime. And you are neither free from dying because we all keep dying. And we are neither free from keeping the law because Jesus himself keep the Law ,that he came not to abolish but to fulfill from Genesis chapt.2:1, Exodus 20:where God himself wrote the 10 commandment Laws with his own finger, And Revelation 22:14, where keeping Gods Law is your ticket into Heaven. So we HAVE to keep the law of God and not the Mosaic law the kiiing of sheep etc. to appease for our sins,because the good shepherd died she'd blood himself instead of sheep dying anymore.Therfore all we have to do is pray kneeling ,bowing,laying prostrate on the ground ,or just calling on the name of the Ultimate Sheep-that. was sacrificed

Romans 3 says there is nobody who is righteous or seeks after God. Jesus said none can come to him unless they are called by the Father. Satan has blinded the minds of all of the children of Adam. Romans 8:29-30 gives the solution to get people saved. Before the creation He predestinated people at random to be able to hear and understand the gospel when HE calls and we decide to reply to Him

That is true. There is always a bright side, a silver lining to a cloud.

"For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us." The Apostle doesn't spend a lot of time focusing on the "sufferings," but simply categorizes them as, "of this present time " and specifically points to our being freed from their bondage by the power of the resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ. "For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God." Now we should take heed to this as a grave warning also from the Lord. What happened to the sons of God in the world of the beginning, that they were hardened against the Spirit of the LORD? The same things at work today to wear us down also and seek to turn us away from Jesus. Look at the News look at the world around us every day look at all the terrible enemies and blasphemers look at all those things tempting and contradicting and it is overwhelming! But LOOK UNTO JESUS, and be victorious over all, and overcomers of all!