Romans Chapter 8 Discussion Page 30

never give up

I believe in Romans, Chapter 1:25; the "creature" is of course, Satan. In reality, Romans 8:20-21; the "creature" ...not willingly, but by reason of him (God, through Christ Jesus) who hath subjected the same in hope: -- 21; Because the creature itself ALSO SHALL BE DELIVERED from the bondage of corruption, into the glorious liberty of the children of God. --
Christ Jesus shed his blood and took our infirmities, and died going into the depth of hell, fought the demon; conquered: and took our adoption decrees away from the demon. Christ Jesus became the RESURRECTION by showing himself IN THE FLESH (2nd COMING). We now know him, as Christ Jesus is NOW from the time of his RESURRECTION is in us. We are the body of Christ Jesus as the SPIRIT is in us NOW. Walk and do miracles as he COMMANDS us to walk as he did; preaching the WORD OF TRUTH (Holy Bible), ..."thy word is Truth.", also doing Miracles, Wonders, Healing, speaking in tongues, prophesy, discerning of spirits,..." and CHARITY above and beyond all we can comprehend... "Study to show thyself approved..." and follow the resurrected Christ Jesus because he is alive and walking on this EARTH through us daily as we ESTABLISH CHRIST ALIVE NOW on earth. Christ Jesus conquered DEATH (the demon), he won us and God now adopted us as his heirs for the working of the Holy Spirit to do his good will for ALL the world; Romans 8; 15 "For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear: but ye have received the spirt of ADOPTION, whereby we cry, ABBA, FATHER. #16 The SPIRIT ITSELF beareth witness WITH our spirt, that WE ARE the Children of GOD." Romans 8; 1 "There is therefore NOW no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. #2 For the law of the SPIRIT OF LIFE, in Christ Jesus, hath made me FREE from the law of sin and death." Romans 8; 11 "But if the Spirit of him (God) that raised up Jesus from the dead, DWELL IN YOU: He (God) that RAISED UP Christ from the dead, shall also QUICKEN you mortal bodies, by HIS SPIRIT that dwelleth IN YOU."
God works MIRACLES every second of every hour, only because he is ALIVE now, the 2nd Coming was established when Christ shed his blood, died, conquered over death (the creature), and was resurrected to show us he walked on this earth for the 2nd time, showing himself again in the flesh to all who have CHRIST in us, through the adoption of him who works all and gives all, life and wellness, righteousness, without doubting; we have been saved. PRAISE CHRIST JESUS for taking on my infirmities, and I now SPEAK IN TONGUES Often to restore the SPIRIT, receive knowledge, understand and know God, strengthen those I care for, Miracles, Wonders, Healing, Prophesy. THANK YOU for walking IN THE SPIRIT daily, complete and establish; PROVE THE SPIRIT IN YOU, try it, it's FREE, not by works, it is the gift of GOD.

IT IS , TO ME, ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT, IF NOT THE MOST IMPT. 'KEYSTONE' OF THE BIBLE. I LOVE IT. DEEPLY

This is an attempt to answer Michelle's 5/12/2011 question about the meaning of Roman's Chapt. 8 Verse 30.

Hi Michelle,

This verse means alot to me because I believe this is the verse God used to save me on April 23rd (The day before Easter) 2011.

The first part of the verse "For whom he did predestinate" means those people that God to save before the foundation of the world.

The second part of the verse "them he also called" that means when God has chosen you for salvation before the fondation of the world, at some point in your life, God has to start the process of drawing you to him.

The next part of the verse says "And whom he called, them he also justified" when God is finished drawing you to him, you are saved and a child of God. You then spend the rest of your life with an earnest, ongoing desire to do the will of God in your life.

The last part of the verse says "And whom he justified, them he also glorified" after God has saved you, when you die or when Christ returns, you will be changed into your new glorified body. You will be free from temptation to sin, you will be able to see God as he is and spend all eternity in eternal bliss as one of God's children and a co-heir with Christ forevermore!!!

Hope this helps Michelle, hearing this verse was the happiest and most humbling day of my life.....to God be the glory

There are two ways to live according to Paul. You can live after the flesh, which is of the world and all its machinations. The lust of the eyes, the greed of the acquisitive, the cruelty of the druglords, the hopeless addicted, the sexually driven, ect. But these grasp for reward and are left bewildered, empty and longing for whatever they are used to longing for for relief, a small taste of glory. To those who live after the spirit, God gives his Spirit without measure. Patient well doing, desiring to do the will of God, Suffering with the Crucified Lord for the hope of the Resurrection, the true reward which is Peace, freedom, glory, unreasonable joy, wisdom, understanding, mercy, compassion. This is what Romans 8 is about. Not church politics or sexual roles but devoting this life to understanding what God is telling us from the smoking furnace on the mount, thru his prophets, his martyrs, and his messiah, Jesus of Nazareth.

I LOVE THIS ,TO STAY OBEDIENT TO CHRIST.I'M IN LOVE WITH THE "LORD" AND LOOK FORWARD TO SPENDING THE REST OF MY LIFE WITH HIM......:)

" NOR THINGS PRESENT" vs 38
"Nor things to come", doesn't seem to weigh as heavy on my heart. That is future stuff. And to me it is easier to relax, knowing God will take care of all the "things to come stuff". But we are living in the "things present" and thats where i see a lot of challenging issues. Even death and life, angels, principalities,& powers are above my pay-grade. But again its the "things present"that really hurts.
Present tense enigmas, as DIVISION, in the church (clergy/laity) separation, which was never endorsed by the Lord Jesus. He even said twice, in Rev.2;6 & 2;15 that he hated the (nico/laitian) doctrine & deeds! But in "things present", this breach runs unabated and not challenged presently by any "so-called" leaders, in the church. And one is left to deal with this painful heart ache (division causing doctrine), in the present, alone. The culture of clergy, grows ever stonger, everywhere, and it is akin to the (POLITICAL CONGRESS-LOBBYIST CULTURE); both producing men in shinny suits and ties, with "milk toast hands", living a life of ease relative , to the divided out ones (LAITY), the pick-up truck grunts.
Also division in marriage, "a things present" issue, being also a heart-ache. 33 years ago the preacher pronounced us one and we have been fighting ever since to see "which won". I am a faithful husband, but division makes one lonely! How i have desired to have my lady, on my side pulling with me, but i see now thats not the plan. Division is rampant, in church, in government, and in personal relationships, and its all in the "NOR THINGS PRESENT"!
So what now? Vs. 39 " none of this will be able to separate us from the love of God!" Because we see in vs.28 - God will use all this for good, to those who love God. And the comfort we now have is that God will "UNITE" our hearts ps 86;11, so we can walk in the truth and fear His name; "THIS UNITY" is only what can grant rest from the enigmas of "DIVISION", in the "NOR THINGS PRESENT". agape----- reggie --

We should know that when we are in Christ we are more than congureous nothing can be against us.

The Sons of GOD are those of the Bride. remember, "kings will come from you".

If The Spirit of Love had already walked, doesent that mean the lion should be already laying with the lamb? Where the peace that is supposed to be? No. you people misread some things, yes My HUSBAND would like for everyone to act accordingly but as long as Satan has his grips on this world you will not see GODS peace, but be watchfull. The cleansing of the Lands are here


where are the Hebrew Israelites?
the slaves

Can you explain for me.

it really thrills me when the Bible says "who shall separate us frm the Love of Christ? ". when we follow in the steps of our died and risen redeemer, wouldn't he keep us and sustain us? we thank u so much Father fo ur Love on us, and pray that u may walk with us till we reach heaven, where we wud spend eternity with thee, in Christ Jesus i pray, Amen

I just returned from church today after hearing a local preacher's take on Romans 8:36 and surrounding verses. First, he taught that the one exception to nothing separating us from the love of Christ is ourselves. I disagreed with that, or I should say it is frightening, because I am who I fear the most in the matters of faith. But to the specific verse mentioned, I feel the sentence of death every day. Again, struggles with myself, the flesh, are a determined foe, everyday. It is like a death sentence. Thank the Lord that we have life in the spirit if we choose to walk, think and live in it.

Just like it says, there is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in christ jesus, who walke not after the flesh,but the after the spirit. we all have trouble with the flesh but to know that there is someone that will walk through it with us is just awesome

The Lord has shown me that he will raise up a new generation of young men. These young anointed men of God will excell the Pentecostal preachers all around them. They will see what others cannot. And they will restore all the fullness of the revelation of Jesus Christ that the other sons of God could not because the fulness of time has not arrived. The endtime manifestation of the sons of God will be attacked. These great men will be called all sorts of names. They must endure the contradiction of sinners. They must stand when their own families turn against them. They will be hated of all nations for the name sake of Jesus our Lord. These manifest sons of God will bring the final perfection to the Church.

By Pastor G. Reckart

There is none good but God. So, when Adam chose to follow his own way, he chose in fact to be separate from god and he automatically became evil because of what I said, that only in God is goodness!

Therefore, God had not decided what would happen to people and the world because of that sin.decided what would happen to people and the world because of that sin. All of this are consequences of the separation from God.

I mean that when God said to Adam that in the day he will eat, he shall die, God had only warned him about the consequences of separation from Him.

We know who we are in Christ Jesus and the love he has for us(He will never leave us nor forsake us) so, we are to do the things he ask of us.

this is a very crucial statement which almost everybody has to understand how important a man should bear the spirit of Christ so we can be assured that we are truly Christians. Being a Christian never before I understood because when I was been a churchman and I thought I was already a Christian but it was a very sad thing when I found that it requires for me to have the Spirit of Christ so that I can be a Christian. I never before understand what the spirit is not even the explanation of some pastors could satisfy me. Most people are in danger when they believe that they are Christians when they don't because the Spirit of Christ is not in them. The proof in this is because they continue in sinning nor having fear of the Lord. Most people never separated from the world or separated from all work of this sinful world, so that it is impossible for them to walk in the Spirit but rather in the flesh.

Ove said: "So it seems like that God had decided how the result and consequenses would be from the FALL when Adam disobeyed God( Rom 8:12)."
My comment: God did not decide. He already knew these things. They were all part of His divine plan.

Ove: "Long before Adam sinned, God had already decided what would happen to people and the world because of that sin."
My comment: Adam did not sin. He disobeyed and transgressed. But the transgression was NOT a sin, it was part of the plan. Which plan took all things into consideration and was/is perfect. Again, God did not "decide." He knew all things already so He didn't have to decide.

Ove:"So in a sense, this world is a perfect world where people have to chose to follow God by accepting Jesus Christ as personal Savior."
Me: Not that people "have to choose," but that we "GET to choose." Even as Adam and Eve were given the ability to choose in the garden, so can we choose to follow Christ or not. That choice is only one of the glorious gifts of God.

Please comment on this.

Thank you!

Ove"

(Just my two cents worth) (elraque)

VERY IMPORTANT BOOK, BECAUSE IT TALKS TO US ABOUT THE SPIRIT OF GOD THAT LIVES ON THE INSIDE OF US, AND HOW SHOULD WALK AS BELIVERS. THANK GOD FOR THE BOOK OF ROMANS

For me, Romans 8 is a reminder of the very nature of man. Sin and redemption at the rescue of man.It also reminds us of the love of God for man and how man despite all odds can still embrace the love of God.

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You will be blessed and very encouraged.

So it seems like that God had decided how the result and consequenses would be from the FALL when Adam disobeyed God( Rom 8:12).

Long before Adam sinned, God had already decided what would happen to people and the world because of that sin.

So in a sense, this world is a perfect world where people have to chose to follow God by accepting Jesus Christ as personal Savior.

Please comment on this.

Thank you!

Ove

Romans Ch 8 says that the same Spirit that raised Christ from dead dwelleth in me I have been made alive or quicken also means I have been resurrected. Now all believers are living a resurrected life now.The kingdom of GOD now is come.

Trully that Christ made his people or his body which is the CHURCH free from sin and death... But the question are we belong on that BODY??? On this days there are a lot of religuos groups claiming they are the true church of god hence Jesus said in Mat.24:5 ""For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many."" So we better becarefull and make sure that we belong to the right Body or Church which he purchase by his own blood...Google us "The Old Path" and see and invistigate as Jesus said in 1Jn.4:1-2 ""Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world."" --- Cris

This is a positive and encouraging word for me Romans 8:31 it gives an almost life reassurer that God will always be there for us. It doesnt matter what we face on this earth IF HE BE FOR US WHO SAHLL STAND AGAINST US? I have had the time in my life in which I ask if I am really doing what God wants me to do. The true time of realization is now

Christians are not judged to be wrong, we live after the Spirit not the flesh. Christ made us free from sin and death.

I can't decribe how I felt recently, during meditation, when the 38th verse of this book came to my consciousness.
So powerful, so good, so comforting

Blessings to All

I like the way Romans eight one is written in paticular here:
in that it sayys
who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
I am reading a bok here looked in my own bi8ble a NIV and it was great to come here and find this and also the referencing system of looking at the Mosaic references by simply clicking on the verse it also led me to read verse two more closely and analyse my response o reading a more "untouched version of the word of God

THIS IS A GREAT BOOK.IT TEACHES ABOUT SALVATION AND HOW GOD BROUGHT UNITY ALSO.IT ALSO LETS US KNOW THAT WE ARE SPIRITUALLY ISRAELITES TOO.THE PROMISE IS OURS ,AND ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS HANG ON TO IT.AW,KEENETH I PRAYED FOR YOU TOO.GOD BLESS
CHRIST UP

Romans 8 was such an eye opener for me. It is so encouraging and edifying. It is awesome to know how much we are so loved by our Heavenly Father. If only we can loved one another with this kind of assurance and unconditional love. Hallelujah! he perfects those things that concerns us. So stay strong in the faith my sisters and brothers. It's all a process, but God is our author and finisher....